I thought so too but I am not sure given the oil price decline in 2015 and if the effects of that prolonged until now

maybe Im in the wrong company or branch of OnG

Ok so, I finally made a decision after 2 months ... and come to a conclusion, i decide to jump to improve career as well as salary increment.

Job Title : Senior solution development engineer
Job Desciption : Implement software and consultation
Age : 25
Years spent in company : 0 month
Company : SME
Industry : Software house
Tenure : Permanent
Employment Level : Executive
Experience before joining (years) : 2 years 2 months
Highest paper qualification/ education background : Degree in Software Engineering
Location : Damansara
Average Working Hours Per Week (incl lunch hours): 40

Monetary Payout
Basic Salary : RM 5300
Contractual Bonus (months): 13th month
Performance, Variable Bonus & Commissions (months) : Performance bonus and annual bonus

Benefits (where relevant) : Increment 5-10% depend on performance, certificate exam from the company, training, parking reserved
Health Benefits : Company medical claims
Transport Benefits : claimable fuel, parking, toll
Mobile / Internet / Gadget Benefits : none
Flexi Working Hours : none
Other Benefits : -

The pay is about 62% increment rate from Rm3271 to Rm5300, which I think is a very good thing. The previous MNC never concern the staff pay despite workload. Being assigned from a junior to project leader without the increment, and worst case that is my salary is even lower than any fresh graduate with spoon feeding every single day The management will only concern with their employee at the very end of the day. I do had voice up, but no action taken, keep drag and drag for 4-6 months.

But anyhow, that was a good experience for me. How these people function and provided me an insight of how to counter in future whenever I do meet any of their attitude.

Wow 25 YO getting more than 5k. Good for you!

There is no such of age limit to a certain number of salary range if you talk about the current market value. Many chinaman company is illegal ask the candidate to have their current salary disclose and judge on their working experience then skill set. This is totally wrong doing, and this is illegal, under PDPA section 6, the employer should not ask the candidate P&C.

A proper way to make payout is by the employer's package that they have offered in their job listing advertisement. If you cannot afford to pay, then don't put the amount. Candidate that has skill that can create a concrete evidence in any of the test given during the interview should be eligible to entitle such offered without looking at the so called 'Working experience'.

Given a scenario, a candidate whom are loyal to a company for 5 years but receiving a low salary despite his good skill set and performance. Assume a particular year that the company performance is bad, and this candidate did not receive any annual increment or with the minimum of 1.5% rate.

Many HR out there did not concern with the candidate skill set, their aim is to lowball you to the minimum while catching the big fish. How would you want to buy a BMW for RM50k, it's not possible. That is the same example like the above scenario. How can you judge a candidate by working experience if the candidate do no contribution but talk nonsense for 5 years, or judge the candidate by 'Current salary'. HR will normally see a candidate is constantly earning the amount that is still within RM3k for 5 years, this candidate must be a problematic.

Anyhow, finding a good company isn't easy. I think I am lucky to get this company. #SayNoToBadCompany

But since you have your rights to not reveal your current salary, they also have rights to not consider your resume

Still your personal choice.

This post has been edited by 55665566: Mar 6 2019, 01:37 PM

Commendable hike, good for you!

Haha, yeah that is true. This is depends on individual. The candidate can choose to reject or accept despite being offered with such package but with a condition to disclose the current salary. I would normally reject any offer that comes with that condition.

Supply and demand.

If you are jobless for a year already, do you think you are in the position to reject any offer?

Of course, if you have a secure job and just lurking around trying to get a better offer, the scenario is totally different.

Not wrong, if you are having a job now or just want to hop job.
But what if you had been fired/removed from your position due to economy?
You had never went through those, that's why youngster nowadays tend to take things for granted

Were they panic and came up with a counter offer when you resigned?

Is illegal but people still doing it, people still allowing it. Why? Economy is bad. If you are out of job for few months without income, that scenario is scary enough to imagine when you have commitments due. Thus many people are give in when comes to showing their previous salary slip.

Indeed. It really depends on what situation you are in and how desperate the company want to replace the resigned candidate.

You mean reveal? Scratching my head for a good few minutes trying to understand the whole discussion after your reply to badguy93

Yeap, because he mentioned not to reveal salary anyhow in his previous post.

This is another scenario, this situation will make me no choice but to accept their offer. Of course, my doing is risky and good if you want to try it out. Only if you are still working with the company.

Don't judge any individual person when you do not know how is their past life. I have been struggle in my past, being terminated by an employer. Do you know how desperate for me that time to secure a job. Yes, the desperate moment to secure a job is indeed to obey and follow.

When a person is successful in their life, they can make their decision. When a person is unsuccessful in their life, they can't make their decision. How do I define a person that is unsuccessful (or so called, they yet to reach that level), the person is afraid to expose to new challenges, afraid to escape from his comfy zone, afraid to do anything that the person is comfortable with their current life style.

When you put in a lot of effort and bring revenue of your company, you are being treated unfair in a company. I have been gone through all this. I dare to challenge you by requested such amount as well saying this that is because I will not disappoint you.

I think you judge too quickly, have you ever gone through this stage? Being jobless? You never know me nor I know you, we are nobody. You never know one person's life but judging the overall of youngsters lifestyle, you are very wrong at first. There may be 2 out of 10 are struggling to climb higher than those laid back and take things as granted. These scenario mostly gave people a bad impression, and people tend to start judge from there.

Stand in the middle and judge front and back, not by the absolute answer by overall people agreed.

Yes, but I don't take counter offer, nothing is good from counter offer lol. New environment, new culture, new learning, and new opportunity is always the best. Money cannot buy knowledge. Staying long term in a company is no good, your skill set eventually will becoming swallow, especially for youngster like me mid 20's is the best time for the person to hop and expose to new environment. Of course, mid 30's can do, if you think you are able to do it, why not? Some of them are concern with their family and convenient, so they find a company to plant their nest there until they pension.

Yes this is true. The candidate to choose whether reject or accept depending their situation.

I was in so much confusion when you typed 'review'

Opps my mistaken, should be reveal. Edited the post

How so it is illegal to ask prospective application to show his pay slip to confirm what his latest salary remunerations ? If an applicant refuses to show his salary in order to ask for a higher package during interview, how does the interviewer going to believe or even justify to company policy ?

I wouldn't mind if everything is in final stage where we are discussing on salary package. I believe you shortlisted me because I fit into all your category, including the asking salary. Early stage to ask for salary slip to prove you are speaking the truth is like not giving trust to the candidate you are about the hire. Then why bother to hire in the first place? Bare in mind I can forge my own salary slip too if the candidate not being truthful to their current salary package.

If everything fits into the category and I am in the last stage where the salary is the last part between me or another candidate(s), yes I am more than willing to share. Reason being I have nothing to hide. I speak the truth when comes to salary. I don't hanky panky. For those who play hide and seek, nothing much I can comment about that la.

As for if is illegal, PDPA section 6 page 19 as quoted by badguy93 Please correct me know if I am wrong.



This post has been edited by Belphegor: Mar 6 2019, 02:51 PM

[quote=Belphegor,Mar 6 2019, 03:43 PM]
I wouldn't mind if everything is in final stage where we are discussing on salary package. I believe you shortlisted me because I fit into all your category, including the asking salary. Early stage to ask for salary slip to prove you are speaking the truth is like not giving trust to the candidate you are about the hire. Then why bother to hire in the first place? Bare in mind I can forge my own salary slip too if the candidate not being truthful to their current salary package.

If everything fits into the category and I am in the last stage where the salary is the last part between me or another candidate(s), yes I am more than willing to share. Reason being I have nothing to hide. I speak the truth when comes to salary. I don't hanky panky. For those who play hide and seek, nothing much I can comment about that la.

As for if is illegal, PDPA section 6 page 19 as quoted by badguy93 Please correct me know if I am wrong.

I agree with your explanation of asking for salary slip at early stages of interviewing and shortlisting. As for coming to final stage of making an offer, I have not come across any applicants, not even a Director applicant who can have the liberty not to show his payslip. Some companies will even ask for your EPF statement to proof further. Some companies will use even the services of CTOS, etc to verify further plus background check before making an offer. Today, too many applicants are too good in handling interviews in convincing their interviewees let alone with colorful resumes to start with. That's why there's saying at work place, they are people who really work and/perform but they are people who work with their mouths.

Once current salary is disclosed, there is no trust between employer and candidate. The unfairness will continue to press. Since the employer is looking for potential candidate and willing to offer the remuneration package, then why ask to disclose? You get my point here?

If the applicant refuse to show his payslip in order to ask for higher package, then go evaluate the candidate skill. It is no use to gauge the candidate just for that purpose.

Like I have mentioned in above scenario, a working experience vs skill set vs bad company performance affected loyalty employee.

If you are the boss, who you want to hire to bring revenue to your company? HR is greedy, so they are evil lol. In your very own perspective, which is better?

Yes, you got the point. Talk about trust between the company and the candidate. Why am I being shortlisted? That is because the company see me fit into their role. And the company is offering the package for that role, so the company should go with that package, otherwise don't offer.

Under PDPA section 6, it is illegal trying to gauge the private and confidential data without the candidate consent. Look, talk about unfair and trust, when a company request you to disclose your current salary, meaning they have no confidence and no sincere to the new candidate. If that is the case then don't offer such "attractive package" initially.

A proper hire process should evaluate the candidate performance and skills, then from there, a skilled interviewer should evaluate the candidate skill set by test given during interview instead gauge current pay slip. The past salary has nothing to do / no relationship at all to the new company. Same goes to your old company, no relationship between 2.