I already wrote one, like few pages back, but they had other things in mind.

Ah yes a one liner, at least it "makes sense".

Then you should listen and not talk back.

Totally agree with verx here. Personally I understand that someone supports loads of teams. Maybe each team in major leagues so that it becomes more interesting for them to follow the league. I believe it starts due to strong language by both Jonno & air_mood.
Both school of thoughts cannot/won't understand or accept the points of others.

I'll make a note of that

You aren't getting it my friend. We don't support the club because of it's players or it's managers. We support the club because of the club. We love it's history, traditions and culture. I'm going to stop here because I don't think you understand where I'm coming from. We may live thousands of miles away but we feel a strong connection with the club. Just because someone hasn't been there, doesn't mean they can't be fans (I've been there btw). I know this because I see how emotional people like Jonno, JonC, Monstar, etc get when watching games. Supporting the club however transcends beyond what you see on the pitch. Events like Hillborough, Heysel, even Michael Shields being incarcerated for a crime he did not commit, draw emotional responses. If you don't feel the same then nothing I can say will make you understand.

National team? I don't have any reason to.

My sentiments exactly.

As opposed to your retarded comment.

So why bother getting involved in this conversation when you clearly aren't a real fan? You just had to add your 2 cents didn't you?

This post has been edited by Duke Red: Jan 22 2008, 12:10 PM

Err...yeah. I know that. See my reply in the previous post:
Somehow, Clubs break the traditional national boundaries, races, religions, cutures, etc. Everyone is brought together for the love of the game and the club that they support. That club speaks the heart and soul of that particular fan, and that's why some people put club before country, wife, children, etc. Those are real hardcore fan. I'm not a hardcore fan, just a fan of MU and Brazil that'll stick by them even if MU gets relegated to 2nd Division or Brazil didn't qualify for World CUp for ten times in a row.

This post has been edited by clayclws: Jan 22 2008, 12:12 PM

It would piss you off as well and when you already said why, they keep asking asking who, how, why and so on?? And I don't know how much you know regarding my stance on this multiple football club thingy, it's a big no-no for me. If you remember, I had a go at that certain fan(should I name names??) who proudly claims he is a Barca and Madrid fan. As I keep pointing out, it just does not make sense. But fact of the matter is, that's what you get with casual supporters. They barely give a feck about a club's history or anything else regarding a club.

The likes of shah_ho_nam, they're in way over their head here hence you see all the throwing in about university education, family status and all that crap. He basically knows crap about what he is speaking about and already been exposed as one who will not back his team thru and thru. And yet has the cheek of calling himself a fan. It's an insult to other fans who backs the team thru and thru IMO. He doesnt even know what a plastic fan means even hence why you see him then referring to me as jelly. I had a good laugh.

They are lucky they are in the LYN forums. Go to a proper Milan, Chelski or Roma forum. They'll get banged left right and centre. There's a good community of people who support multiple clubs hence why they can find solitude here.

To be fair to me and Jonno, we did explain our points properly at the start. It's only when they started to keep repeating themselves and making up stories( Sir Alex loves Milan????) oh and yeah, started becoming comedians when things went hostile. So much for "Lets Bring It On" ehh?? We brought it on and they were moaning.



This post has been edited by air_mood: Jan 22 2008, 12:15 PM

Football is essentially a blue collared sport and most avid fans are from blue-collared backgrounds. Maybe that's why someone with a PHD coming from a privileged background doesn't understand it.

Nah, I'm talking about after how he and his colleague told us to bring it on, their counter arguents was I'm rich and already went to Old Trafford. Well, if I already did, then somehow I myself didn't know about it. Hahaha. Oh yeah, there was also the comment regarding how I never finished my uni education so he is better than me. Supposed to be cutting I guess but seeing as I don't really give a feckm a cutting comment falls flat on it's face. There's also the fact that it's not true which of course played it part in the not-bothering column

Fair enough. I for one wouldn't put up with a person who supports both Barca and Madrid. But i still think it's pointless arguing with this kind of people. You ain't gonna change them.

I think that's a very stereotypical statement. You could argue that since majority of the population are from blue-collared backgrounds, that they would make up the majority of football fans.

It is a very general statement but in England that IS the way things started. Back in the day the public school ponce (if that is even the correct derogatory term for the upper middle class) would normally follow/play rugby. The rich (uber ponce )would flock to cricket.
The working class (of which are surprisingly not well to do at all) would watch football.

Yeah and in Madrid, majority of their supporters/socios are middle class. Doesn't make them any less passionate or loyal. The way things started doesn't necessarily apply to now.

I love rugby myself but yeah, the general feeling in England as far as I know is that it's a rich man's sport. Not that much of a case here though. Been to rugby matches before, it's enjoyed by people from all sorts. It's a rough and tumble sports anyway which I think many would enjoy not just snooty people as being pointed out.

You will be surprised how tough and hard them 'snooty' Brits are. Tony Adams gives Keano a run for his money anyday, have you heard him give interviews? He speaks perfect Queen's English - a surefire sign of a public school ponce! Not that i'd dare call him that

I wrote that in response to something else.

In any case, someone that is less privileged and saves up to follow his beloved team everywhere including Europe stands out more than someone with wads of money. It may be stereotypical but while you can doubt the passion and commitment of someone with heaps of money, you certainly can't with say a cab driver who blows his life savings on say going to Istanbul or Athens.

Geeez, it got too personal mates. I'd say go on supporting as many teams as you like, no harm or wrong in that as long as it makes you happy. But pls do not expect much respect or credibility when you talk to hardcore fans as some of your argument do not carry any weight. Just my 2 cents.

HAHAHAHHAHA .

Are you serious ?

then you better get a large bucket of blue paint and throw it in any cafe/bistro that shows EPL games coz most of fans nowadays are yuppie pondans.

Even in UK the old working class fans are being marginalised , they are trying to steal the game away from them to the new age pondans.

Are you sure you are not a yuppe fan ?

If you are so serious why dont you move to Liverpool and see what a shit place it is , same withmost of the UK .

hahaha..doesn't really hard to understand someone supporting his own country team, right?

but yeah, i do understand what you meant. but then again, i stick with my team in every situation once i become that team fan. and Malaysia is the national team that i support

Good citizen. I wonder how you enjoy World Cup...

hehe.. i do enjoy the World Cup. i am a football fan after all. just hope that i will see Malaysia in the World Cup in my lifetime

he changed from hardcore to real since most of us here are real but not hardcore.

wow... from 2 to 3! i'm guessing your 2009 resolution is to find a 4th club to love? i hear chelsea are interested...

nah... i believe you hit it right on the spot.

well, the british press is well known for the overhype and sensationalizing of their athletes. but, the national pride is something out of this world. I remember the Rugby World Cup. Brits taking to standing outside pubs just to watch the game!!!!

well... not sure how I started with MU. just kinda happened. along the way, MU started to influence me back so now I support MU because of their youth policy and commitment to attacking football.

maybe coz national teams hardly play and their style of play varies. also, managers are stuck with the players available so the team has to accommodate that.

actually, i believe he summed it up just right. sometimes, 4 emoticons is enough.

i've been around and read many of air_mood's comments. I believe he's quite knowledgeable about Man Utd and football trivia. He knows what he's talking about and backs it up with cold, hard facts. You, on the other hand, seem quite content to simply repost the same reasons over and over again like some noobs in the RWI forum.

on the basis of both your writings, I gotta say that air_mood is the wiser one. I respect air_mood's opinions. Which is more than I can say about yours.

so if Milan was to fight Chelsea in a match, who would you support? Coz if you support Milan, your fellow Chelsea fans will definitely brand you a traitor. Similarly, the Milan fans would treat you as a glory hunter if you support Chelsea. Don't support either, both sides will dismiss you as nothing more that indecisive and disloyal.

Spend all day reading? It doesn't take a whole day to read about a team. I can find out the history and culture of any club within the hour.

you can say what you want but in serious discussions such as this, you have to back it up with logic and facts. Just shooting your mouth off makes you look like a 'tin kosong'. We're not looking to fight; we're just refuting your reasons because to us, it's not valid enough.

FYI, Chelski is Chelsea's nickname.

he maybe irritating but your opinion doesn't warrant much respect IMHO. btw, how can you be real with 2 clubs?

argue? it's a debate. and it doesn't matter if you speak manglish or good english. There are even people who post in malay!! The difference is the contents. Speak in whatever language you want, just back up your comments with facts and/or logic. This is not the place for you to shoot your mouth off.

alright then! I, too, will support Malaysia in any tournament (Malaysian mah... how not to?). Only when Malaysia not in, then I support other countries.

agreed. Personally, I also like to support Bayer Leverkusen but only in the Bundesliga. When MU plays Bayer, it's always gonna be MU. They are no. 1!!!!!

well, support and loyalty comes from the heart IMO. correct me if i'm wrong, but most Ph.D's probably think more with their head; they may not think with their heart.

what makes you think UK is such a bad place? I was there for 2 years and while KL is better in some respects, UK has it's own qualities.