hahaha..doesn't really hard to understand someone supporting his own country team, right?

but yeah, i do understand what you meant. but then again, i stick with my team in every situation once i become that team fan. and Malaysia is the national team that i support

Good citizen. I wonder how you enjoy World Cup...

hehe.. i do enjoy the World Cup. i am a football fan after all. just hope that i will see Malaysia in the World Cup in my lifetime

he changed from hardcore to real since most of us here are real but not hardcore.

wow... from 2 to 3! i'm guessing your 2009 resolution is to find a 4th club to love? i hear chelsea are interested...

nah... i believe you hit it right on the spot.

well, the british press is well known for the overhype and sensationalizing of their athletes. but, the national pride is something out of this world. I remember the Rugby World Cup. Brits taking to standing outside pubs just to watch the game!!!!

well... not sure how I started with MU. just kinda happened. along the way, MU started to influence me back so now I support MU because of their youth policy and commitment to attacking football.

maybe coz national teams hardly play and their style of play varies. also, managers are stuck with the players available so the team has to accommodate that.

actually, i believe he summed it up just right. sometimes, 4 emoticons is enough.

i've been around and read many of air_mood's comments. I believe he's quite knowledgeable about Man Utd and football trivia. He knows what he's talking about and backs it up with cold, hard facts. You, on the other hand, seem quite content to simply repost the same reasons over and over again like some noobs in the RWI forum.

on the basis of both your writings, I gotta say that air_mood is the wiser one. I respect air_mood's opinions. Which is more than I can say about yours.

so if Milan was to fight Chelsea in a match, who would you support? Coz if you support Milan, your fellow Chelsea fans will definitely brand you a traitor. Similarly, the Milan fans would treat you as a glory hunter if you support Chelsea. Don't support either, both sides will dismiss you as nothing more that indecisive and disloyal.

Spend all day reading? It doesn't take a whole day to read about a team. I can find out the history and culture of any club within the hour.

you can say what you want but in serious discussions such as this, you have to back it up with logic and facts. Just shooting your mouth off makes you look like a 'tin kosong'. We're not looking to fight; we're just refuting your reasons because to us, it's not valid enough.

FYI, Chelski is Chelsea's nickname.

he maybe irritating but your opinion doesn't warrant much respect IMHO. btw, how can you be real with 2 clubs?

argue? it's a debate. and it doesn't matter if you speak manglish or good english. There are even people who post in malay!! The difference is the contents. Speak in whatever language you want, just back up your comments with facts and/or logic. This is not the place for you to shoot your mouth off.

alright then! I, too, will support Malaysia in any tournament (Malaysian mah... how not to?). Only when Malaysia not in, then I support other countries.

agreed. Personally, I also like to support Bayer Leverkusen but only in the Bundesliga. When MU plays Bayer, it's always gonna be MU. They are no. 1!!!!!

well, support and loyalty comes from the heart IMO. correct me if i'm wrong, but most Ph.D's probably think more with their head; they may not think with their heart.

what makes you think UK is such a bad place? I was there for 2 years and while KL is better in some respects, UK has it's own qualities.

There's an old fool contaminating this thread with loads of his usual antics. Check out his post in other threads. He has been blasted by almost everyone, including the Staff and Moderators. He thinks that he is just simply better than others and is allowed to disrespect others. And when others confront him with his contemptuous rudeness, he goes on being childish. He is definitely not a football fan, and I think you all know who I meant. Ignore that fool.

Which is a pity cause if you remove all the personal attacks and profanities, there is a decent discussion going on in here.

I wouldn't say it is a pity if we could ban that one particular person from the entire Lowyat.net. He made a fool of himself in every thread, throwing profanities everywhere to everyone. Seems like he had a troubled childhood or something.

oh, and i want to add that i find really hard to accept 'fans' as real when they didn't make an effort to watch their team match when available at telly or they going to sleep in the middle of watching their team match due to their team losing (u know who u r)

Actually I do enjoy the "battle" with the person, not sure about others, call me sick but everytime I read his post, makes me laugh so hard that it actually destress me a little.

Good that you find his posts humourous. Personally, I would like to use a jackhammer and *too violent to be posted on the forum*. I have no idea such human exist in this world, but I guess, I haven't seen much of the world.

Im a member since 2003. Cos I don't wanna jeopardize my real id by sent this post. This is what i felt bout football. Football is universal. All I can say is ppl have their own opinion. Why they love football. How they grow with influence of football. so choices can effected from time to time.

When im was young, im one of the catalans. Coz of my late father. we love football. we even been there when real v barca once. I also have my own Johan Cruijff jersey. But time change. When im older, Ive change team. I choose the red devil. I watch my first match when man utd visit japan for friendly match (when I was studyng there) Ive been to old trafford couple of time. Including Milan v man u last year. and of coz I even I buy original utd merch. Am I saying im 'real' fan? No. I think not.. im rather not claiming im real fan.

The reason im here. Im quite annoyed wit some of u people claim urselves as 'real' fan. Know a little bit of history, buy fake merch. & so on. Then, claim that he/she is a real fan. I don't think so. Youngsters now days.. they are really disgrace. It make me laugh when some of this forummer (claimed to be real man utd fan) out of nothing flame couple of the forummer. including other forummer also. It is really hilarious to see this guy got angry. you sure got some brain but I cannot resist to say you also childish + im might say u r a poser. At the same time claiming he is the 'real' fan. I think what we should do is respect other fans & their teams as we respect ours. Im a lecturer in private college. Which mean im a teacher. But I NEVER said - IDIOT to any of my students. It is really harsh word. he think he s really something. Really smart guy I think. but actually it reflected ur childhood. how u were raised. maybe it is custom in your family to say some one idiot.

Im married n my 2nd child will come next couple of months. I actually don't want to involve with this tread actually. Really childish. But for -y- & ho nam. I really glad u stand up for ur right & coz u r honest. i know some of the forummer also have a couple of team to cheer. but afraid to say coz of ths ppl. But what I can say to both of u, you just make yourselves stupid by keep replying ths 'real' fan post. Just ignore them. According to them, we made r sinner coz we have couple of team. So as for me, im a man utd, selangor (hometown), & gamba osaka (used to stay there for 5 years). Which makes me 3 clubs. so?

all i can say is.. Just enjoy football. and pls dont disgrace man u.

pls dont condemn my english. as we never use english in japan. cheers..

This post has been edited by osaka09: Jan 23 2008, 08:53 PM

catalan...been there..their facilities...6 or more *forgot edi*
different stadiums of different sizes..

Someday...I'm going to Old Trafford. Better yet, I'm going to stay in UK, and my Dad can come and visit me anytime he wants and I'll get him season pass for all of Man Utd's game Someday...

I thought the issue is dead?

To be honest, as mentioned by a few people, one is entitled to their own opinion. The fact is that we, myself and air_mood do not understand how can someone can support two teams, perhaps I am not that enlighten or I am just a narrow minded fool compare to them who can see the brighter side of things.

However, I think it started when air_mood mentioned how he can't fathom why one can do that, albeit in a tone that not everyone understands, I see it as sarcasm, others might take it in the literal meaning, therefore took offense to it. And then it just blew up when Y & Sha just went on this abusive streak offending everyone, bringing out matters that is not being discussed here, which I think is uncalled for.

Anyway, all said and done, what I'd like to say is that please do keep the arguement relevant and not birng out issues such as education, family, upbringing as well as other things, these are things that would ruin a good discussion / arguement. As mentioned to both Y and Sha, it's their inability to justify or present a good arguement that makes us think they are posers, rather than the fact that they supports two teams.

This post has been edited by Jonno: Jan 23 2008, 09:07 PM

I think we need to take the verx route on this Jonno. Ignore them and let them have their fun. If people who are what 27, 28 insists on doing so, what hope is there for the ones who are still in school ehh?? Just don't expect to be respected or celebrated for it. And as I pointed out, they are lucky that they are in this forum. Go into a proper club forum, they won't last.

Don't think anything can be achieved, except people throwing out cynical comments I suppose. Saying they don't like so and so, while not daring to name who the person is. I got myself quite a hate list on this thread ehh??? Hahaha. Might have bothered me had this been real life, but seeing that this is an internet forum, it makes me laugh really.

This post has been edited by air_mood: Jan 23 2008, 09:15 PM

If you think I'm aiming at you, then you guessed wrongly. I did say he is not a football fan. He came in to squirt his profanity, as he always does in other threads, and leave after fulfilling his desire.

Nope. Didn't mean you either. I'm talkign about my many fans who state things like "there's this one Man United fan"...or "I hate this guy" or " so called die hard Man United supporter". Damn, there's a lot of terms. Like I said, my many fans. you'll find at least 5 or so of those descriptons in the past 2 or 3 pages.

Alright, my apologies for misunderstanding your statement.

Agreed, by the way, if they are 27. 28 then I have nothing to say. Their behaviour beffles me.

While not giving me age away, my youngest sister is older than you mate, so I am one of the old farts...

I can see you being mid 30's Jonno. Because if you're 40+, I just gotta say.....what the hell are you doing in a hip forum like LYN????