Basically, you need to be there for your team, win or lose. Stick with your team whther they're at the tops or in the shits. Full of trophies or no trophies at all. Bandwagon jumpers i.e. glory hunters are definitely out of this list. However, this is Malaysia so bandwagon jumpers are a common theme here. That's why you see the sudden influx of Chelski 'fans' this past few years. Same as it was with Man United and Arsenal back in the 90's. I have a friend who was a Man United fan in 02, Real Madrid fan in 02-04 and a Chelski fan in 03-now. I mean I rather my club have less fans than have these kind of people.

This is my personal preference, but I rather watch my team play effective+sexy+attractive footy rather than win any trophies. At least they're entertaining the fans so we know that they're doing it for the fans.

Obviously you have to know about the history of the club. None of this "I never lived during the time, so I dont need to know about it". I mean, I came across so called Man united fans who asked what's the Munich tragedy is before,I mean what kind of bull question is that???Internet was created,google it.

And this is another personal thing. Anyone who supports more than 1 club should be shot in my opinion. My days on this forum, I came across people who are supporting Man United, Arsenal and Liverpool. How the hell can you support 3 team that are bitter rivals and are usually genuine contenders for titles is well beyond me. I can actually understand people who maybe support us and Barca or us and Real or us and Milan(although I still maintain they should be shot,haha) since they are clubs from 2 different leagues, but supporting 3 clubs out of the usual top 4??? That's just plain idiocy IMO.

I don't see needing to watch a certain percentage of games as a sign of true fan. Me personally, I never missed any United games be at whatever time it is. When it is not shown on TV I'll find ways to watch it. But who knows,we may have a Man United fan in Timbaktu who has no access to TV,who just happen to fall in love with the footie that the club plays while catching a glimpse of it on TV during a trip to town and make it a point to go some distance to check newspapers to find out results. There just might be these sort of fans.

This post has been edited by air_mood: Apr 17 2007, 02:40 AM

Loving a football cluib is like loving a girl. When you love her/it, you want to know everything you can about it/her. Like verx said, how can you fall in love with something/someone that you don't know off?? That's more than lus than love. Lusting over trophies or a player probably?? Haha, I'm starting to sound like damn Dr. Phil.

Not trying to take the piss out of but I couldn't help it. A discussion about a real/true/proper fan and only one Chelski fan to be seen about. No pun intended to the likse of esca_flo and Kidscode as those who has supported the club a hell of long time though( I still hate you guys though,hahaha), to name a few.

This post has been edited by air_mood: Apr 17 2007, 01:55 PM

No offence but if someone thinks that they have no need to know about their clubs because the majority don't, then they have no backbone IMO. I used the GF analogy because it reflects it perfectly. When you love your club, you want to know everything about it. If you like a girl and you want her to take you seriously, you'll go out of your way to know when's her birthday, what she likes et cetera. So, how do you expect fellow fans to take you seriously if you actually know jack about the club you supposedly care for and love?? As a Man United fan, I feel you're at least obligated to know about Newton Heath, Sir Matt Busby, The Busby Babes, Duncan Edwards, The Munich Disaster, Georgie Best, Bobby Charlton, Eric Cantona and the current and ongoing legend that is Sir Alex Ferguson. Just like Pool fans would want your fans to know at least about Shankly, Paisley, Hillsborough and Heysel.

Important event in your club. Learn it up. As verx(or was it Duke??) said again, Wikipedia has everything you need.



I would say he's no Man United fan. A real/proper/hardcore/insert others here/ wouldn't even have the slightest inkling to abandon your club. Be it they're at the top or in the shits. That friend oof yours, should be shot. Would be shot I think if he's actually lived in the UK if he has that sort of principle. If you don't mind me asking, how old is your friend??? This switching club/glory hunting principle is most commonly found among kids anyways. If he's an adult, then as you said, sad, sad case...

This post has been edited by air_mood: Apr 17 2007, 03:57 PM

Then he's just a very sad,sad person.

Will still follow them, regardless of what division of they are. Never ever crossed my mind to switch clubs.

Excellent. Give him a pat on the back, and a smack on the head while you're at it.

This post has been edited by air_mood: Apr 17 2007, 07:00 PM

Why and oh God why must you tempt me like this?? See, I can't resist having a go at them now.

Does anyone not see the irony of a Chelski fan on this thread agreeing with the fact that knowing history is 1 of the non important things???hahaha

5 or 6 years?? No offence, but try 2 or 3 years.

I don't think anyone falls in love with the history. They fall in love with something, then they want to know the history. Slightly different there Chrisky. Hence the GF metaphore. Anyways, like you said, personal preferences. I still feel that knowing about the past and present of your club is a must though.

As for the ultra you're talking about, that just shows he's obssesed and passionate towards his club isn't it?? No harm in that in that really. Every fan (bandwagon jumpers i.e. glory hunters, stay away!!) should be passionate about their club but be reasonable as well. Hell, I am that obsess and passionate about my club that some fo my friends say I may just name my kid Wan Manchester United one day. Haha, Not a bad idea ain't it?? Butt seeing that he might just get his ass kicked at school for having a funny name I just may not do that. Haha.

C'mon Duke, join the dark side...you know you want to.

And what's with the praising C. Ronaldo on the PFA Player Of The Year thread?? As a pool fan, you're obligated to say Gerrard/Crouch/Alonso/Agger/Carragher is the best. Although credit to you for giving credit where credit is due.

You must be really hating yourself ehh?? Next we know you'll be singing Glory,Glory Man United. Haha.

Haha, that's the difference between us fans in Malaysia and those in UK. We love our clubs to bits but we'll give credit where credit is due. And we don't see the need to kill fellow fans or players over disagreement on club rivalry like that taxi driver you met on your trip there earlier this month.

As for your hatred and respect at the same time for us. Ditto man, that's all I gotta say.

Oh..and hell yeah. It's a great,great feeling showing my allegiances to my club towards glory hunters. I derive extreme pleasure at showing how proud I am of my club regardless of whatever position we are in to my friend, the former Man United and Real Madrid, currently a hardcore Chelski supporter, or so he claims. It's still gives me extreme pleasures now, it gave me extreme pleasures when he was a Rea; Madrid fan and it will always give me extreme pleasures I reckon.

I honestly don't think that will happen, considering the rivalry between the clubs. No would I think the Pool fans applauding Ronaldo and Rooney if they scored a hat-trick at Anfield. There's just too much hatred between the 2 clubs there.

With all due respect, Real Madrid aren't really our rivals are they?? And I don't mean that in a competitive sort of thing. You are a challengers to us in European football. We never had bad history together or anything. So I don't think we have problems applauding Ronaldo when he scored that hat-trick cause he undoubtedly deserved it. Although in recent developments I won't be surprised to see Mijatovic or Calderon getting the hell booed out of them if they come to OT.




Let me just put it this way. Say you support Manchester United and Real Madrid. Who will you support when the 2 meet in a European game? You claim to be a supporter of both teams, so how do you stay objective to one??? Any team will do,because both are my team???

No such thing. If you are real fan of a certain club, there shouldn't even be a slight hesitation on who you support when your team plays. Simple as that.

I'm not even going to start on people who support multiple clubs in the same league. That's just insane and plain idiocy and I'm going to use this overused statement again, they deserve to be shot.

This post has been edited by air_mood: Apr 18 2007, 01:18 PM

Might this have anything to do with the fact that girls tend to think that the Italian player are hot??? Haha.

Seeing that I'm not gay, good looking footballers holds no appeal to me. I go for the football.

Not just a cardinal sin. I maybe going over the top but thos who switches club have no sense of loyalty and are a sorry excuse for a human being. They should be castrated and be relieved of their manhood.

How the hell can someone claim, proudly I might add that he is a fan of 2 clubs in the same league, I'll never understand. 2 very competitive clubs as well, highly regarded and has a very high chance of going for the same championship. We used to have some who proudly declares that he supports Man United, Arsenal and Liverpool at the same time. I think I saw one who supported Man United and Chelski before. Now we have one who proudly declares he supports Milan and Roma. Common sense will tell you who then do you support when any of these teams play each other?? Anyone will do?? Whichever team that wins is fine by you since you support both?? God knows I don't even condone people supporting 2 clubs from separate league, rest assured I'm against the idea, strongly I might add of someone supporting multiple clubs in the same league. These things, I'll never understand.

You think it's you??? Too bad then. I've already stated the names of the team this person is allegedly a big fan of. So go figure.

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Added on January 21, 2008, 1:48 amFact of the matter remains that it's not just kids, we even have teens, even adults doing that.

This post has been edited by air_mood: Jan 21 2008, 01:48 AM

You know what pissed me off the most??? There was this one poster, bubucaca I think it was. He claims to support Man United, Liverpool and Arsenal. So I confronted him about it. His point of defence??

"Well at least I go to all their stadiums and buy all their merchandise."

I mean like, so the feck what?? If he does actually go to the stadium, I'm sure he's the one who knows feck all about the team, knows feck all what to sing. What a jackass.

I don't buy this 2 clubs thing, even if it's a separate country. You're spreading your chances, that is if one doesn't win, the other one might. And the point stands that what do you do then when the 2 clubs meet each other??? Whichever one wins is fine by you?? I don't buy that. Like many pointed out, you're merely spreading your chances for victory. Isn't that a form of glory hunting as well?? You're spreading your chances with multiple clubs with the hope that one wins. And to be frank, I could barely give a feck whether you ban MAn United or not. You chose to jump ship, then stay there. Nothing despises me more that people who choose when they like to jump ship especially when the ship they jump to is my club. Mere knowledge is one thing. It's the internet days, it's not hard to find info about a club. Googling is one, wiki is another which is why I don't understand that when the topic of knowing club's history came up, they were quite a few who said knowing history is not important. Call it having a go or anything but the quite the number of them is Chelski fans, throwing that the history being made is more important than what happened crap.

And like I said, knowledge about your club is one matter, loyalty is another matter. You support multiple clubs then if they do meet each other, you have your loyalty divided don't you??? I know some will say in front of club A fans that if A and B meets he will be behind club A all the way while vice versa in front of fans of club B. It shouldn't be an issue at all in the 1st place if oen has enough sense to stay loyal to a club and not spread chances.

As for that other guy, read back his posts, he says he like Milan and Roma and how "Roma is in his hearts". Admriing the style of play or a certain players is one thing, claiming to be a fan of multiple clubs is one thing.

You call it flaming, I call it knocking some sense into.

Sorry, don't buy this. If Chelski and Milan play each other and you arebacking neither, clearly you are nto a fan of both. Watch the game and enjoy??? Yes, people watch the game and enjoy and proper fans back their teams. Why do you think people sing and chant on their teams to lift their spirits??? because they love their team, But as you pointed out, just sit back and enjoy, it seems to me you're not really bothered who wins. Whichever one is fine seems to be the way to go. So basically, you're a fan of neither Chelski or Milan and as pointed out, you're spreading your chances.

And you're speaking incoherently here. What the feck does hooligans has to do with anything being discussed here?? And you're rambling about players and so on and nothing makes sense, just mere ramblings. You're not addressing the fact that by supporting 2 clubs, albeit in different leagues, you do have your support divided as pointed out by your reluctance to point out your support should the 2 clubs you claim you support meet each other, so you're neither a fan of Chelski nor Milan so I don't see why you should claim to be one. A Milan fan backs Milan for the win, a Chelski fan backs Chelski for the win but you're reluctant to show your allegiance to neither, sit back and enjoy you say. If that makes you a fan, then what are we ehh, the one backing the team thru thick and thin irregardless of how good or crap the team is performing.

And one more thing, you think it's not a sin to jump ships because well, you've been doing it for a fact. You're just covering your bases. As Duke pointed out go to Liverpool and tell them you're a Liverpool fan, formerly a Manchester United fan or go to Manchester and do it the other way around and see whether you get treated with respect. It's common sense.

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Added on January 21, 2008, 2:25 pmThe fact remains that this is a forum full of schoolkids. Not really saying that it's a bad thing but you see too many of Liverpool fans going..."Ooohhh, Gerrard is the most awesomest player in the world...." or Man United fan going...." Ronaldo is clearly the best ever player to play football."..

They are more bothered with those kind of things than rationale or proper discussions, usually pointing one liners without nothing to back it up. i won't be suprised to find Man United fans here who doesn't know anything about Munich 58 or Pool fans who don't know about Heysel and Hillsborough.

This post has been edited by air_mood: Jan 21 2008, 02:25 PM

There's hardly even a real active community of Man United fans in the country, as far as I know although I do know there's the clubhouse in SS2 though. Not really a fan of viewing party or anything of that sort as well considering i don't like to be disturbed when I watch my football. If there is anything happening somewhere it will be in that EPLPlus column on NST though. Seen nothing so far.

But I do find what the club is doing remembrance of the tragedy excellent though. The tribute they are doing in Manchester I mean. The retro kits, the big tribute on the East Stand. Big ass picture of the Busby Babed and the United Calypso on the side although I do find AIG stamping their logo on the tibute a bit out of taste though. Then there's the little bits of recognition like Rooney, Rio and Ronaldo asking for all blacks boots for the occasion instead of their usual flashy ones. Going to be an awesome day. Hopefully the blue bitters don't spoil it though. England don't trust their fans enough to pay tribute to the Busby Babes and called of a tribute that would have happened on 6th February, the exact day of the 50th anniversary of the disaster when coincidentally England will be having a friendly game.

For me, nothing better for a tribute to the Busby Babes than crushing the bitter blues with excellent football in the true fashion of the Busby Babes.

This post has been edited by air_mood: Jan 21 2008, 02:54 PM