You ain't seen nothing yet mate... I have my reputation as a long winded one.

I'm gonna play devil's advocate here. Although I believe in only supporting one club like some here, I do see where -Y- and shah are coming from. The arguments are between 2 different sets of viewpoints; both think they're right. And the thing is they are both right, depending on where u stand. We all have differences and we have to accept that. And u can't blame them for taking it personally when the language used by air_mood has been far from accomodating. It's the same with religion; alot of the strife we have in the world today is the result of inability to accept each other's differences. So i suggest everyone to just calm down and take a step back. Just hold back on the insults.

A 'real fan', how do we become one?

for me it's easy. as long as you stick by your team in any situation be it win, lose, draw, being(or almost being) took over by a suspicious looking Russian, winning a treble, relegated to the lower league etc you are a 'real fan' in my book

doesn't matter if you just start supporting your club last weekend

doesn't matter how you start to support the team be it because of the team is winning, "siding with the underdog" syndrome etc

doesn't matter if you never been to the club stadium

doesn't matter if you didn't know the chant/song

doesn't matter if you never buy the original club merchandise i.e shirt, bag, sweater etc


re: on the national team issue. i have my support for a national team. i support Malaysia all the way since i start to know football

This post has been edited by toshio14: Jan 22 2008, 09:08 PM

Whoa~! Malaysian football team lover~! Long time haven't met one How did you get to like them?

This post has been edited by clayclws: Jan 22 2008, 10:53 AM

I already wrote one, like few pages back, but they had other things in mind.

Ah yes a one liner, at least it "makes sense".

Then you should listen and not talk back.

Totally agree with verx here. Personally I understand that someone supports loads of teams. Maybe each team in major leagues so that it becomes more interesting for them to follow the league. I believe it starts due to strong language by both Jonno & air_mood.
Both school of thoughts cannot/won't understand or accept the points of others.

I'll make a note of that

You aren't getting it my friend. We don't support the club because of it's players or it's managers. We support the club because of the club. We love it's history, traditions and culture. I'm going to stop here because I don't think you understand where I'm coming from. We may live thousands of miles away but we feel a strong connection with the club. Just because someone hasn't been there, doesn't mean they can't be fans (I've been there btw). I know this because I see how emotional people like Jonno, JonC, Monstar, etc get when watching games. Supporting the club however transcends beyond what you see on the pitch. Events like Hillborough, Heysel, even Michael Shields being incarcerated for a crime he did not commit, draw emotional responses. If you don't feel the same then nothing I can say will make you understand.

National team? I don't have any reason to.

My sentiments exactly.

As opposed to your retarded comment.

So why bother getting involved in this conversation when you clearly aren't a real fan? You just had to add your 2 cents didn't you?

This post has been edited by Duke Red: Jan 22 2008, 12:10 PM

Err...yeah. I know that. See my reply in the previous post:
Somehow, Clubs break the traditional national boundaries, races, religions, cutures, etc. Everyone is brought together for the love of the game and the club that they support. That club speaks the heart and soul of that particular fan, and that's why some people put club before country, wife, children, etc. Those are real hardcore fan. I'm not a hardcore fan, just a fan of MU and Brazil that'll stick by them even if MU gets relegated to 2nd Division or Brazil didn't qualify for World CUp for ten times in a row.

This post has been edited by clayclws: Jan 22 2008, 12:12 PM

It would piss you off as well and when you already said why, they keep asking asking who, how, why and so on?? And I don't know how much you know regarding my stance on this multiple football club thingy, it's a big no-no for me. If you remember, I had a go at that certain fan(should I name names??) who proudly claims he is a Barca and Madrid fan. As I keep pointing out, it just does not make sense. But fact of the matter is, that's what you get with casual supporters. They barely give a feck about a club's history or anything else regarding a club.

The likes of shah_ho_nam, they're in way over their head here hence you see all the throwing in about university education, family status and all that crap. He basically knows crap about what he is speaking about and already been exposed as one who will not back his team thru and thru. And yet has the cheek of calling himself a fan. It's an insult to other fans who backs the team thru and thru IMO. He doesnt even know what a plastic fan means even hence why you see him then referring to me as jelly. I had a good laugh.

They are lucky they are in the LYN forums. Go to a proper Milan, Chelski or Roma forum. They'll get banged left right and centre. There's a good community of people who support multiple clubs hence why they can find solitude here.

To be fair to me and Jonno, we did explain our points properly at the start. It's only when they started to keep repeating themselves and making up stories( Sir Alex loves Milan????) oh and yeah, started becoming comedians when things went hostile. So much for "Lets Bring It On" ehh?? We brought it on and they were moaning.



This post has been edited by air_mood: Jan 22 2008, 12:15 PM

Football is essentially a blue collared sport and most avid fans are from blue-collared backgrounds. Maybe that's why someone with a PHD coming from a privileged background doesn't understand it.

Nah, I'm talking about after how he and his colleague told us to bring it on, their counter arguents was I'm rich and already went to Old Trafford. Well, if I already did, then somehow I myself didn't know about it. Hahaha. Oh yeah, there was also the comment regarding how I never finished my uni education so he is better than me. Supposed to be cutting I guess but seeing as I don't really give a feckm a cutting comment falls flat on it's face. There's also the fact that it's not true which of course played it part in the not-bothering column

Fair enough. I for one wouldn't put up with a person who supports both Barca and Madrid. But i still think it's pointless arguing with this kind of people. You ain't gonna change them.

I think that's a very stereotypical statement. You could argue that since majority of the population are from blue-collared backgrounds, that they would make up the majority of football fans.

It is a very general statement but in England that IS the way things started. Back in the day the public school ponce (if that is even the correct derogatory term for the upper middle class) would normally follow/play rugby. The rich (uber ponce )would flock to cricket.
The working class (of which are surprisingly not well to do at all) would watch football.

Yeah and in Madrid, majority of their supporters/socios are middle class. Doesn't make them any less passionate or loyal. The way things started doesn't necessarily apply to now.

I love rugby myself but yeah, the general feeling in England as far as I know is that it's a rich man's sport. Not that much of a case here though. Been to rugby matches before, it's enjoyed by people from all sorts. It's a rough and tumble sports anyway which I think many would enjoy not just snooty people as being pointed out.

You will be surprised how tough and hard them 'snooty' Brits are. Tony Adams gives Keano a run for his money anyday, have you heard him give interviews? He speaks perfect Queen's English - a surefire sign of a public school ponce! Not that i'd dare call him that

I wrote that in response to something else.

In any case, someone that is less privileged and saves up to follow his beloved team everywhere including Europe stands out more than someone with wads of money. It may be stereotypical but while you can doubt the passion and commitment of someone with heaps of money, you certainly can't with say a cab driver who blows his life savings on say going to Istanbul or Athens.

Geeez, it got too personal mates. I'd say go on supporting as many teams as you like, no harm or wrong in that as long as it makes you happy. But pls do not expect much respect or credibility when you talk to hardcore fans as some of your argument do not carry any weight. Just my 2 cents.

HAHAHAHHAHA .

Are you serious ?

then you better get a large bucket of blue paint and throw it in any cafe/bistro that shows EPL games coz most of fans nowadays are yuppie pondans.

Even in UK the old working class fans are being marginalised , they are trying to steal the game away from them to the new age pondans.

Are you sure you are not a yuppe fan ?

If you are so serious why dont you move to Liverpool and see what a shit place it is , same withmost of the UK .