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 The SSD Thread V6, Solid State Drive, Continued.

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post Aug 8 2018, 10:53 PM

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QUOTE(skylinelover @ Aug 8 2018, 09:25 PM)
haha I thought 120GB is outdated already

240GB should be the standard now hahahaha
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yeah. so much affordable compare half year ago now.
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post Aug 9 2018, 12:24 AM

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QUOTE(skylinelover @ Aug 8 2018, 09:25 PM)
haha I thought 120GB is outdated already

240GB should be the standard now hahahaha
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Yeah but if is purely for OS and background apps, 120gb is way good enough.

Only get 240gb if you’re using it for loading tons of games. Storage I’ll stick to normal HDD.
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QUOTE(NightFelix @ Aug 8 2018, 10:53 PM)
yeah. so much affordable compare half year ago now.
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yea, and the fact 120gb variants are often slower than their 240gb versions tongue.gif
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QUOTE(jimmylim85 @ Aug 9 2018, 12:24 AM)
Yeah but if is purely for OS and background apps, 120gb is way good enough.

Only get 240gb if you’re using it for loading tons of games. Storage I’ll stick to normal HDD.
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these days it's barely enough for 3-4 AAA games cry.gif

500gb should be more than enough as a game drive, for now biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(NightFelix @ Aug 8 2018, 10:53 PM)
yeah. so much affordable compare half year ago now.
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Remember back in 2009/2010 my friend bought a 80GB Intel X-25M for something like RM800 sweat.gif

Now RM800 can give you a SSD several times larger and puts the X-25M to shame in terms of performance brows.gif
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QUOTE(x-1o8-x @ Aug 9 2018, 12:34 AM)
these days it's barely enough for 3-4 AAA games  cry.gif

500gb should be more than enough as a game drive, for now  biggrin.gif
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Just get the new Intel 660p? brows.gif

1TB for RM800 for better than SATA SSD performance (also great for laptops) brows.gif

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QUOTE(chocobo7779 @ Aug 9 2018, 01:04 AM)
Just get the new Intel 660p?  brows.gif

1TB for RM800 for better than SATA SSD performance (also great for laptops) brows.gif
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just bought adata s11 480gb less than 2 weeks ago lol

i find that i dont install many games so 480gb is kinda enough, for now biggrin.gif
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post Aug 9 2018, 01:47 AM

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QUOTE(horns @ Aug 5 2018, 04:59 AM)
i have no idea about symptoms when a ssd fails. i only experienced once with an old sata ssd. (it's a 5-year+ old drive. the failure was caused by my carelessness) however after power recycling, it's back to life, and i'm still using it today. (data was gone, but i have backups) so technically it doesn't fail yet.

look, there is nothing wrong about sata ssd in the first place. for an old board, you should figure out its limitations, compatibility, etc. and decide from there. it's really that simple. besides speed, nvme and sata ssds are the same in general. i use a pcie x4 adapter since samsung xp941, http://www.bplus.com.tw/Adapter/M2P4A.html

nand in ssd is the same as those in smart phone. ssd failure doesn't mean it's due to nand. ssd consists of a number of components. each have chance to fail, depending on various factors. also, compared to other system components (mobo, gpu, hdd, ram, psu, etc), ssd has the least chance to fail statistically.

don't wonder too much. if you're so worried, just do regular system and data backups. that's the simplest way for you to prevent data loss due to catastrophic system failures.
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Thank you for all the question answering on SSD notworthy.gif respect for all the help.

All my wonder worries is due to someone said SSD is unknown timer of BSOD.Anytime without symptom of failure.Can't retrieve any data.Only the SSD company can do that and they will not help to retrieve it.
No restore tools and etc.

Btw , what is QLC flash ? Intel ssd with 512GB only $99 or RM404 ? SLC , MLC TLC now QLC ? means you can only r/w 500 times and spoil after than ?
https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/intel-...-nvme,5719.html
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QUOTE(chocobo7779 @ Aug 9 2018, 01:03 AM)
Remember back in 2009/2010 my friend bought a 80GB Intel X-25M for something like RM800 sweat.gif

Now RM800 can give you a SSD several times larger and puts the X-25M to shame in terms of performance brows.gif
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Hard to compare since new tech , I remember last time RM300 for 80GB hard disk during 2002.

This post has been edited by Maxieos: Aug 9 2018, 01:50 AM
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QUOTE(Maxieos @ Aug 9 2018, 01:50 AM)
Hard to compare since new tech , I remember last time RM300 for 80GB hard disk during 2002.
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Yeah, but it's still amazes me that how much storage technology has evolved over time icon_idea.gif
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QUOTE(Maxieos @ Aug 9 2018, 01:47 AM)
Thank you for all the question answering on SSD notworthy.gif respect for all the help.

All my wonder worries is due to someone said SSD is unknown timer of BSOD.Anytime without symptom of failure.Can't retrieve any data.Only the SSD company can do that and they will not help to retrieve it.
No restore tools and etc.

Btw , what is QLC flash ? Intel ssd with 512GB only $99 or RM404 ? SLC , MLC TLC now QLC ? means you can only r/w 500 times and spoil after than ?
https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/intel-...-nvme,5719.html
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QLC = Quad Level Cell icon_idea.gif

This allows low cost SSDs with high capacity, but at a cost of performance:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multi-level_cell
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QUOTE(Maxieos @ Aug 9 2018, 01:47 AM)
Thank you for all the question answering on SSD notworthy.gif respect for all the help.

All my wonder worries is due to someone said SSD is unknown timer of BSOD.Anytime without symptom of failure.Can't retrieve any data.Only the SSD company can do that and they will not help to retrieve it.
No restore tools and etc.

Btw , what is QLC flash ? Intel ssd with 512GB only $99 or RM404 ? SLC , MLC TLC now QLC ? means you can only r/w 500 times and spoil after than ?
https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/intel-...-nvme,5719.html
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SSD does fail, however just like any other storage device, the only way to mitigate this is to do regular backups icon_idea.gif

However, due to how SSD works (entirely with memory chips and no mechanical parts), data recovery can be a bit more complicated, and more expensive icon_idea.gif


That being said, SSDs are incredibly reliable and does not suffer from mechanical damage (but don't throw around your SSD though), provided that you buy one which uses decent NAND flash on it icon_idea.gif


My recommendations would be something like SSDs from Intel/Sandisk (or WD, since Sandisk is part of WD)/Samsung. Just make sure that you don't buy their super bargain bin models and you are pretty much good to go icon_idea.gif
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QUOTE(Maxieos @ Aug 9 2018, 01:47 AM)
Thank you for all the question answering on SSD notworthy.gif respect for all the help.

All my wonder worries is due to someone said SSD is unknown timer of BSOD.Anytime without symptom of failure.Can't retrieve any data.Only the SSD company can do that and they will not help to retrieve it.
No restore tools and etc.

Btw , what is QLC flash ? Intel ssd with 512GB only $99 or RM404 ? SLC , MLC TLC now QLC ? means you can only r/w 500 times and spoil after than ?
https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/intel-...-nvme,5719.html
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now i know why you're so worried. i think that some one didn't tell you a lot of things to give you clear pictures on ssd in general. chocobo7779 explained this better imo.

if ssds are so vulnerable to failures, who will get one anyway?

in terms of prevention of data loss, just practice regular backups. the money, time, and efforts that you spend for additional storage for backups are still relatively cheaper than you engaging data recovery services, with the risks of having data unrecoverable.

qlc flash is a type of flash that has relatively lower program/erase cycles than tlc. it can be used as high-read-low-write storage.


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QUOTE(chocobo7779 @ Aug 9 2018, 02:06 AM)
Yeah, but it's still amazes me that how much storage technology has evolved over time icon_idea.gif
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Same with other hardwares drool.gif rclxm9.gif

I started gaming with just puny 128mb card but now is 8gb and can chew any games easily laugh.gif rclxms.gif Not sure how it will fare on 1440p @ 120hz though
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post Aug 10 2018, 12:45 AM

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Hi guys,

I am using this motherboard and the support list stated that they supported 950 PRO. Do you think Samsung 970 PRO compatible? Wanted to get 1 for main OS drive.

https://www.gigabyte.com/Motherboard/GA-H17...-10#support-doc

Another question. If i get a new SSD, I just clone my old drive to the new SSD. Should be no issue right?

Thanks for the info.
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QUOTE(irangan @ Aug 10 2018, 12:45 AM)
Hi guys,

I am using this motherboard and the support list stated that they supported 950 PRO. Do you think Samsung 970 PRO compatible? Wanted to get 1 for main OS drive.

https://www.gigabyte.com/Motherboard/GA-H17...-10#support-doc

Another question. If i get a new SSD, I just clone my old drive to the new SSD. Should be no issue right?

Thanks for the info.
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yes, there should be no issue with 970 pro.

as long as the ssd has enough capacity to house the os and related system partitions, it should be good to go.
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post Aug 10 2018, 01:49 PM

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QUOTE(irangan @ Aug 10 2018, 12:45 AM)
Hi guys,

I am using this motherboard and the support list stated that they supported 950 PRO. Do you think Samsung 970 PRO compatible? Wanted to get 1 for main OS drive.

https://www.gigabyte.com/Motherboard/GA-H17...-10#support-doc

Another question. If i get a new SSD, I just clone my old drive to the new SSD. Should be no issue right?

Thanks for the info.
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should be no issue, I just clone from my Sata 2 port 80GB windows 10 OS HDD from MBR to GPT Sata 3 port 80GB Kingston UV500 SSD.

I got more change than you. I clone/move from sata_2+HDD+MBR into Sata_3+GPT_SSD. rclxms.gif

This post has been edited by Boldnut: Aug 10 2018, 01:50 PM
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QUOTE(horns @ Aug 10 2018, 02:38 AM)
yes, there should be no issue with 970 pro.

as long as the ssd has enough capacity to house the os and related system partitions, it should be good to go.
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QUOTE(Boldnut @ Aug 10 2018, 01:49 PM)
should be no issue, I just clone from my Sata 2 port 80GB windows 10 OS HDD from MBR to GPT Sata 3 port 80GB Kingston UV500 SSD.

I got more change than you. I clone/move from sata_2+HDD+MBR into Sata_3+GPT_SSD.  rclxms.gif
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Thanks, both for the reply. Appreciated it. Time to hunt for good bargain and take the leap.
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QUOTE(chocobo7779 @ Aug 9 2018, 02:14 AM)
SSD does fail, however just like any other storage device, the only way to mitigate this is to do regular backups icon_idea.gif

However, due to how SSD works (entirely with memory chips and no mechanical parts), data recovery can be a bit more complicated, and more expensive icon_idea.gif
That being said, SSDs are incredibly reliable and does not suffer from mechanical damage (but don't throw around your SSD though), provided that you buy one which uses decent NAND flash on it  icon_idea.gif
My recommendations would be something like SSDs from Intel/Sandisk (or WD, since Sandisk is part of WD)/Samsung.  Just make sure that you don't buy their super bargain bin models and you are pretty much good to go icon_idea.gif
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QUOTE(horns @ Aug 9 2018, 11:09 AM)
now i know why you're so worried. i think that some one didn't tell you a lot of things to give you clear pictures on ssd in general. chocobo7779 explained this better imo.

if ssds are so vulnerable to failures, who will get one anyway?

in terms of prevention of data loss, just practice regular backups. the money, time, and efforts that you spend for additional storage for backups are still relatively cheaper than you engaging data recovery services, with the risks of having data unrecoverable.

qlc flash is a type of flash that has relatively lower program/erase cycles than tlc. it can be used as high-read-low-write storage.
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Yep , I worried about SSD sudden failure. Staying at rural area.TNB power always trip for unknown reason and turn back on within 3 second.
Power unstable where fluorescent light will flicker twice a day.
If power outage without warning where r/w data on SSD , it'd surely be high risk for SSD
I remember I asked about SSD with "power loss protection" . Now only enterprise HD having it and it is extremely expensive.
https://forums.freenas.org/index.php?thread...otection.63998/

QUOTE(chocobo7779 @ Aug 9 2018, 02:10 AM)
QLC = Quad Level Cell icon_idea.gif

This allows low cost SSDs with high capacity, but at a cost of performance:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multi-level_cell
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How is this QLC ? I mean reliable ?
Random Read IOPS Random Write IOPS Sequential Read MB/s Sequential Write MB/s
SSD 660p 220,000 220,000 1,800 1,800
SSD 600p 155,000 128,000 1,800 560
https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/08/09/in...a_centre_quads/
QUOTE(Boldnut @ Aug 10 2018, 01:49 PM)
should be no issue, I just clone from my Sata 2 port 80GB windows 10 OS HDD from MBR to GPT Sata 3 port 80GB Kingston UV500 SSD.

I got more change than you. I clone/move from sata_2+HDD+MBR into Sata_3+GPT_SSD.  rclxms.gif
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Which software cloning you use ?
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QUOTE(Maxieos @ Aug 12 2018, 08:29 PM)
Yep , I worried about SSD sudden failure. Staying at rural area.TNB power always trip for unknown reason and turn back on within 3 second.
Power unstable where fluorescent light will flicker twice a day.
If power outage without warning where r/w data on SSD , it'd surely be high risk for SSD
I remember I asked about SSD with "power loss protection" . Now only enterprise HD having it and it is extremely expensive.
https://forums.freenas.org/index.php?thread...otection.63998/
How is this QLC ? I mean reliable ?
Random Read IOPS Random Write IOPS Sequential Read MB/s Sequential Write MB/s
SSD 660p 220,000 220,000 1,800 1,800
SSD 600p 155,000 128,000 1,800 560
https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/08/09/in...a_centre_quads/

Which software cloning you use ?
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if power supply in an area is unstable, always use uninterrupted power supply (ups)

ssd is not the only hardware component in your computer.

qlc is still new. it takes time to collect reliability proofs about them.



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