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 The SSD Thread V6, Solid State Drive, Continued.

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post Jul 29 2018, 02:07 AM

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QUOTE(Maxieos @ Jul 28 2018, 11:21 PM)
Oh,  btw , do you know any website which listed out which SSD using which controller ? because it really confuse and it's trouble you too if I keep on asking "what controller & nand this ssd (brand) using " ?
Sometimes , same ssd but different revision use different nand and controller.At lease I have some info on google search but some unknown brand like galax or OEM , hard to find out their info.Like last time plextor oem liteon on dell and etc.

My reliability view is base warranty return or I view as good controller and lasting.I don't want today able to boot , while tomorrow fail to boot and not able to retrieve the data.Compare those Traditional HD platter can still recover some of the data.

few more question
Which samsung model still offer 10 years warranty The pro version ? I saw there are 850 pro , 860 pro , 950/960 pro . Which controller and nand is better ? lease warranty too ?
So it looks fine for the speed ? Happy to heard that.As for an old sata1 connector , it's more than enough for old laptop to run.

SATAFIRM ? google it , looks like dead SSD rather than controller.Can’t retrieve data.So what about samsung and sandisk ?

I'd go for 5 years warranty , but price is cheaper if really got voucher if getting from laz or shopee.
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i think thessdreview.com maintains a database about the specs of common ssds. about controllers/nand/dram/etc, there is no need to pay a lot of attention to them in general. usually you just need to read more from review sites about them if you're keen to know more. (like which existing ssds use the same stuff, and what their performance are like, etc)

yes you need to dig deeper if you wanted to find out more about those ssds. there is no shortcut.

if your reliability means warranty, then just compare warranty period and tbw allowed. however i hope you look beyond that. the advice that i can give you are these:
1. choose products from more reputed brands (samsung, intel, crucial, kingston; at least you can have relatively better warranty supports in general);
2. choose their mainstream drives. usually drives from this range are backed by relatively better quality controls and parts. they don't simply fail for no reasons. (in fact, mine never failed. not even once)

afaik only sandisk extreme pro and samsung 850 pro offer up to 10-year warranty.
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Hi guys,

Advice needed. I'm planning to make the leap to SSD from my 3.5 HDD. Currently have a 2015 z97 board with no M.2 slot.

Planning to buy Zotac's Sonix PCIe 480gb SSD as I have an extra PCIe x4 slot and it can be transferred to future builds. Thoughts??? It is RM 849 now, is the pricing decent?

Thanks.

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QUOTE(Enclave Recruit @ Jul 30 2018, 03:31 PM)
Hi guys,

Advice needed. I'm planning to make the leap to SSD from my 3.5 HDD. Currently have a 2015 z97 board with no M.2 slot.

Planning to buy Zotac's Sonix PCIe 480gb SSD as I have an extra PCIe x4 slot and it can be transferred to future builds. Thoughts??? It is RM 849 now, is the pricing decent?

Thanks.
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depending on what your application is, it could be overkill and IMO not worth the cost of x4 slot. IINM you could also use something like the asus hyper m.2 card and put in your nvme ssd of choice. on some cards you could even do a raid config with multiple drives.
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QUOTE(Enclave Recruit @ Jul 30 2018, 03:31 PM)
Hi guys,

Advice needed. I'm planning to make the leap to SSD from my 3.5 HDD. Currently have a 2015 z97 board with no M.2 slot.

Planning to buy Zotac's Sonix PCIe 480gb SSD as I have an extra PCIe x4 slot and it can be transferred to future builds. Thoughts??? It is RM 849 now, is the pricing decent?

Thanks.
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check whether your board supports a bios with nvme boot drive.

if not get a custom mod bios.

btw wd black 512gb nvme u can it for rm799.. it does 3.4gb/s read 2.4gb/s write.
just get a pcie card adapter for it and you are good.

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post Jul 30 2018, 09:59 PM

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QUOTE(horns @ Jul 29 2018, 02:07 AM)
i think thessdreview.com maintains a database about the specs of common ssds. about controllers/nand/dram/etc, there is no need to pay a lot of attention to them in general. usually you just need to read more from review sites about them if you're keen to know more. (like which existing ssds use the same stuff, and what their performance are like, etc)

yes you need to dig deeper if you wanted to find out more about those ssds. there is no shortcut.

if your reliability means warranty, then just compare warranty period and tbw allowed. however i hope you look beyond that. the advice that i can give you are these:
1. choose products from more reputed brands (samsung, intel, crucial, kingston; at least you can have relatively better warranty supports in general);
2. choose their mainstream drives. usually drives from this range are backed by relatively better quality controls and parts. they don't simply fail for no reasons. (in fact, mine never failed. not even once)

afaik only sandisk extreme pro and samsung 850 pro offer up to 10-year warranty.
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Thanks for the recommended website , now I was thinking the future advance on technology term on storage the harder for user to fix the problem them self.
Traditional HD will have symptom of failure but not on SSD.Even HD controller fail like old seagate 7200.10 there is still a way to replace the PCB board and swapping the controller.
No matter how , a backup is a must.Just depends on how much storage need to for backup.
May I know one question , does SSD data fail or get erase if the period of time 3-5 years not using ? I remember I saw an article mention SSD can't keep the data for long period without power up.

So only physical data such as disc is suitable for backup.Blu-ray disc is BD-R HTL is too expensive and not available.

Guess will choose what is cheaper with reputable brand.

May I ask , if a motherboard doesn't have a m.2 and NVMe slot means we can't use NVMe or m.2 ssd ? plus pcie is occupied with GC.The only go was sata SSD ?
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QUOTE(Maxieos @ Jul 30 2018, 09:59 PM)
Thanks for the recommended website , now I was thinking the future advance on technology term on storage the harder for user to fix the problem them self.
Traditional HD will have symptom of failure but not on SSD.Even HD controller fail like old seagate 7200.10 there is still a way to replace the PCB board and swapping the controller.
No matter how , a backup is a must.Just depends on how much storage need to for backup.
May I know one question , does SSD data fail or get erase if the period of time 3-5 years not using ? I remember I saw an article mention SSD can't keep the data for long period without power up.

So only physical data such as disc is suitable for backup.Blu-ray disc is BD-R HTL is too expensive and not available.

Guess will choose what is cheaper with reputable brand.

May I ask , if a motherboard doesn't have a m.2 and NVMe slot means we can't use NVMe or m.2 ssd ? plus pcie is occupied with GC.The only go was sata SSD ?
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use hdd for long-term storage. (they are cheap and large) yes, backup is the simplest thing to do. spending some time regularly can prevent catastrophic data loss. (say, to external storage, once a week; depending on the amount of data. the time spent is relatively shorter if you do it incrementally)

just don't do it when the storage is about to fail. you end up putting more stress on the failing hdd; not really a smart idea.

i never use ssd for long-term storage, so i'm not sure about this. i just use hdds for backups. my system has a data-only hdd for this. once a hdd is filled up, i detach it and take it out of the system, and replace with a new one. (for more important data i also use external hdd and cloud storage)

for nvme boot support, it's better to double check with your motherboard manual. (usually you can use nvme ssd as data drive) also, depending on the available pci-e lanes in your system and how they are allocated, many systems today can run both gc and nvme ssd at full speed.





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Guys any one have tried this Pioneer SSD? https://pioneer-iot.com/product/internal-ssd/aps-sl2/

Is it better or comparable with Kingston A400?

Looking for 120GB just for windows 10 OS and some light programs only.
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got myself the adata gammix s11 which is basically a sx8200 with fancier heatsink

for RM1 per gb i gotta say it sure is worth it biggrin.gif


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im currently using dell 7557 and laptop only come with old M.2 SATAIII interface

SSD listed below, which one is better? price almost similar

TRANSCEND MTS820 240GB - RM215
WD GREEN 240GB - RM233
KINGSTON UV500 240GB - RM265
INTEL 545S 256GB RM - RM299
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QUOTE(Lion Cut @ Aug 3 2018, 03:36 PM)
im currently using dell 7557 and laptop only come with old M.2 SATAIII interface

SSD listed below, which one is better? price almost similar

TRANSCEND MTS820 240GB - RM215
WD GREEN 240GB - RM233
KINGSTON UV500 240GB - RM265
INTEL 545S 256GB RM - RM299
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i'd go with intel simply it because it has 16gb more storage and they have been in the ssd industry for quite some time
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Anyone has experience on using Kingston A1000 M.2 nvme?
The price is very attractive now.
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post Aug 5 2018, 01:51 AM

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QUOTE(horns @ Jul 30 2018, 11:32 PM)
use hdd for long-term storage. (they are cheap and large) yes, backup is the simplest thing to do. spending some time regularly can prevent catastrophic data loss. (say, to external storage, once  a week; depending on the amount of data. the time spent is relatively shorter if you do it incrementally)

just don't do it when the storage is about to fail. you end up putting more stress on the failing hdd; not really a smart idea.

i never use ssd for long-term storage, so i'm not sure about this. i just use hdds for backups. my system has a data-only hdd for this. once a hdd is filled up, i detach it and take it out of the system, and replace with a new one. (for more important data i also use external hdd and cloud storage)

for nvme boot support, it's better to double check with your motherboard manual. (usually you can use nvme ssd as data drive) also, depending on the available pci-e lanes in your system and how they are allocated, many systems today can run both gc and nvme ssd at full speed.
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Just wonder ,if an SSD fail , what are the symptom ? Is there any SSD recovery tools if it fail to detect ?

Using old board , I guess need to update BIOS to support nvme.It'd better using back old regular ssd.Except for faster speed, what else benefits with nvme ? It cost 1 extra PCIe slot and motherboard with only 1 slot of PCIe is out of hope.M.2 sata is more for laptop without sata port ? Can recommend a reliable NVMe PCIe adapter ? saw a lot of cheap adapter but not sure whether it last long.


Just wonder , does ssd NAND on PC are the same as Smart phone ? I looks like smart phone flash storage is much long lasting.
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QUOTE(Maxieos @ Aug 5 2018, 01:51 AM)
Just wonder ,if an SSD fail , what are the symptom ? Is there any SSD recovery tools if it fail to detect ?

Using old board , I guess need to update BIOS to support nvme.It'd better using back old regular ssd.Except for faster speed, what else benefits with nvme ? It cost 1 extra PCIe slot and motherboard with only 1 slot of PCIe is out of hope.M.2 sata is more for laptop without sata port ? Can recommend a reliable NVMe PCIe adapter ? saw a lot of cheap adapter but not sure whether it last long.
Just wonder , does ssd NAND on PC are the same as Smart phone ? I looks like smart phone flash storage is much long lasting.
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i have no idea about symptoms when a ssd fails. i only experienced once with an old sata ssd. (it's a 5-year+ old drive. the failure was caused by my carelessness) however after power recycling, it's back to life, and i'm still using it today. (data was gone, but i have backups) so technically it doesn't fail yet.

look, there is nothing wrong about sata ssd in the first place. for an old board, you should figure out its limitations, compatibility, etc. and decide from there. it's really that simple. besides speed, nvme and sata ssds are the same in general. i use a pcie x4 adapter since samsung xp941, http://www.bplus.com.tw/Adapter/M2P4A.html

nand in ssd is the same as those in smart phone. ssd failure doesn't mean it's due to nand. ssd consists of a number of components. each have chance to fail, depending on various factors. also, compared to other system components (mobo, gpu, hdd, ram, psu, etc), ssd has the least chance to fail statistically.

don't wonder too much. if you're so worried, just do regular system and data backups. that's the simplest way for you to prevent data loss due to catastrophic system failures.
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for Sata 2 on an old win 7 computer that do not support ACHI. Only Sata 2 enchance mode.

is it recomend to buy SSD for OS drive + pagefile? (4GB RAM, so need pagefile)

A400 vs UV500 whats the diff? Is it good to get 120GB? or need minimum 240GB to be reliable?
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QUOTE(Boldnut @ Aug 6 2018, 09:59 PM)
for Sata 2 on an old win 7 computer that do not support ACHI. Only Sata 2 enchance mode.

is it recomend to buy SSD for OS drive + pagefile? (4GB RAM, so need pagefile)

A400 vs UV500 whats the diff? Is it good to get 120GB? or need minimum 240GB to be reliable?
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it still performs better than a traditional hdd and that's what i did anyway on my x58 pc. 120gb is fine as an OS drive.

the UV500 uses 3D TLC NAND tech while the A400 uses just TLC, so the UV500 has a higher TBW and also they have a 5 year warranty vs A400 3 years.
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120GB for purely OS and some motherboard application, gpu application and other stuff is pretty fine. You'll probably left with free space from 60GB to 80GB.
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yeah I am still undecided to go for UV500 240GB or high grade SSD intel 128GB.
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QUOTE(Xirality @ Jul 29 2018, 12:55 AM)
that a1000 is quite a steal
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Seems to perform slightly better than a SATA SSD. I will buy similarly priced SATA SSD from Crucial or Sandisk for the sake of slightly better compatibility.
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the era of qlc-based ssds have arrived.

the qlc-based ssd from intel, http://www.thessdreview.com/flash-memory-s...-for-consumers/

intel 660p (qlc):
https://www.pcgamer.com/intels-660p-series-...ster-nvme-ssds/

samsung:
https://www.theverge.com/circuitbreaker/201...mass-production
https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/08/07/sa...c_consumer_ssd/
https://www.zdnet.com/article/samsung-world...ming-this-year/
https://www.anandtech.com/show/13170/samsun...vnandbased-ssds
https://www.tomshardware.com/news/samsung-4...lash,37558.html
https://news.samsung.com/global/samsung-ele...it-consumer-ssd
https://www.zdnet.com/article/samsung-world...ming-this-year/


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QUOTE(jimmylim85 @ Aug 7 2018, 12:46 AM)
120GB for purely OS and some motherboard application, gpu application and other stuff is pretty fine. You'll probably left with free space from 60GB to 80GB.
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haha I thought 120GB is outdated already

240GB should be the standard now hahahaha

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