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post Jul 28 2017, 06:38 AM

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QUOTE(jayraptor @ Jul 28 2017, 12:07 AM)
Correction to your comment, not everyone think of resale value and FC at first but they only feel pain when terhantuk hit their head on these 2 factors. Monthly petrol price, others with quality original parts fill up full tank twice a month, you fill up every week. Resale value, when comes to selling cars, others selling at market value, you have to keep slashing price because of no buyers.

The modding part, they feel excited and happy at first but later realised the car lost low end torque. Last time shift to D or reverse, the car already start moving move. After modding, need to press pedal only start moving. You remove catalytic converter and exhaust muffler with pipe kosong and DIY short straight muffler, pollution NOx makes your parents and in law, org tua cough and sneeze, deafening noisy to their ears too. Ferry whole family, the car suffers more at low end torque requiring you to floor pedal more, minyak also burn more.

All these like happy first then suffer and regret big time.

My VVT knowledge comes from technical experts, training and recognised engineering guide books. As opposed to your DIY trial and error with Ah Beng source. Which is why you still failed to tell Lancer GT and GL chassis code, really pity you. The service manual that you kept bragging about, you got it from your aunt who bought lancer GL, pinjam to scan or photostat?

The turbocharger theories, since wkc5657 going to twist my facts to fairy tale, I explained to him terbalik way for him to twist back to facts. Fun to see a loser being fooled around. You were around when I first posted correct facts how Santa Fe 2010 and newer 2012 turbodiesel VGT works from intake to exhaust  that was applauded by everyone and done torque test showing how it beats 3.5L v6. The location and functions all correctly told as opposed to fairy tale concept to cater wkc5657 brain.

You and wkc5657 can continue to post the twisted fairy tale version theories since you guys love the fairy tale so much. The facts version you don't like because it puts your modded junk to shame. Turbocharged doesn't mean superior in overall. If modded turbo, that is disaster. You take suprimak or preve 1.6T , it can never beat Mazda 3 2.0L NA in overall.
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Eh bodoh.
Ur statement bumper one... Is still ur own coz u are poor shit.
I don't feel that. I have change car ever 3 years.. No they never complaint... Looks like u are poor and u like to make ppl think like u.. Poor thing

Twist tale? No wonder we says u are from tanjung rambutan... When everyone is against ur theory.. U can still says we twist. Ur suprima and mazda theory apply to urself why because ur imaginary always wrong.. 3 years back u says our mod always will spoilt.. Now time proven u twist... Because u know nothing..

U make shame of toyota engineer by claiming timing belt slips causes timing belt not efficient..

Ur defence is to name calling and make new story to cover up.. Wkc5657 is ur maintenance attack as he started this arguement just lately... As for me n dares.. We already have history where time have proven that all ur theory and alegation are all wrong..

U know nothing.. U can continue like in ur imaginary world. Make shame of urself is fine... Don't drag toyota engineers info ur equation please.. Kesian them

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post Jul 28 2017, 06:49 AM

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QUOTE(jayraptor @ Jul 28 2017, 12:18 AM)
Wow, looks likw you really like the twisted facts version more than the facts version on how turbocharger works. I'm glad I didn't waste time posting facts version. With terbalik brain people really need to explain terbalik style like switching waste gate with BOV and came up with fairy tale plenum. See how happy you are now.

Sebastian team and his main opponent team are happily conducting real test on turbo vs NA for their respective upcoming projects. Feel bad for you and your friend Andrew still hoping the Optima GT could rely on turbo alone to win sales that never realised. If Kenny knows how to market car, he would have taken over my old spoonfeeding role to help bring up your products like how I did back then. But according to Sebastian, he failed to help nor stick to debate... If I were to go up against Sebastian and from opposing team the other buddy, I could have come up with lots of practical and working strategies already challenging their sales.
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Sorry im a qualified engineer. I make way more than Sebastian. And of coz any marketing like urself. No wonder u So worry about FC where i enjoying my rides.. Not keen to reduce my income whole train myself to be marketing guy like u whom have zero knowledge about car and only con ppl..

This post has been edited by K3nnYkl82: Jul 28 2017, 06:50 AM
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post Jul 28 2017, 08:09 AM

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I just realized the debate of imaginary lancer gl chassis started way back in 2013 rclxub.gif
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post Jul 28 2017, 08:25 AM

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QUOTE(overfloe @ Jul 28 2017, 08:09 AM)
I just realized the debate of imaginary lancer gl chassis started way back in 2013 rclxub.gif
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thats why he have no ground to kelentong now .. coz time have proven that his claims are wrong. and he has nothing to backup his claim. he now even bodohkan toyota engineers.
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post Jul 28 2017, 09:49 AM

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QUOTE(jayraptor @ Jul 28 2017, 12:07 AM)
The modding part, they feel excited and happy at first but later realised the car lost low end torque. Last time shift to D or reverse, the car already start moving move. After modding, need to press pedal only start moving. You remove catalytic converter and exhaust muffler with pipe kosong and DIY short straight muffler, pollution NOx makes your parents and in law, org tua cough and sneeze, deafening noisy to their ears too. Ferry whole family, the car suffers more at low end torque requiring you to floor pedal more, minyak also burn more.

My VVT knowledge comes from technical experts, training and recognised engineering guide books. As opposed to your DIY trial and error with Ah Beng source. Which is why you still failed to tell Lancer GT and GL chassis code, really pity you. The service manual that you kept bragging about, you got it from your aunt who bought lancer GL, pinjam to scan or photostat?

The turbocharger theories, since wkc5657 going to twist my facts to fairy tale, I explained to him terbalik way for him to twist back to facts. Fun to see a loser being fooled around. You were around when I first posted correct facts how Santa Fe 2010 and newer 2012 turbodiesel VGT works from intake to exhaust  that was applauded by everyone and done torque test showing how it beats 3.5L v6. The location and functions all correctly told as opposed to fairy tale concept to cater wkc5657 brain.

You and wkc5657 can continue to post the twisted fairy tale version theories since you guys love the fairy tale so much. The facts version you don't like because it puts your modded junk to shame. Turbocharged doesn't mean superior in overall. If modded turbo, that is disaster. You take suprimak or preve 1.6T , it can never beat Mazda 3 2.0L NA in overall.
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Please continue to lambaste me, please, i beg you....TRY EVEN MORE HARDER......

New made up fact by you again, see the bolded part about catalytic converter and NOX. Fact check la...

NOX pollution is a byproduct that mainly occur on high compression ignition (usually means diesel), hardly for petrol engines. And the most effective method for neutralising Nox is AdBlue (aqueous urea solution) la.....

Lau kui bongkar sendiri ilmu tak lengkap.....

Yes, i know....fairytale right......for all others, you can go read : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diesel_exhaust_fluid
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post Jul 28 2017, 09:54 AM

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QUOTE(wkc5657 @ Jul 28 2017, 09:49 AM)
Please continue to lambaste me, please, i beg you....TRY EVEN MORE HARDER......

New made up fact by you again, see the bolded part about catalytic converter and NOX. Fact check la...

NOX pollution is a byproduct that mainly occur on high compression ignition (usually means diesel), hardly for petrol engines. And the most effective method for neutralising Nox is AdBlue (aqueous urea solution) la.....

Lau kui bongkar sendiri ilmu tak lengkap.....

Yes, i know....fairytale right......for all others, you can go read : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diesel_exhaust_fluid
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he memang like to make up story ma ..

he tokok so much .. he also dunno what i modded .. he all imagine also ..
COZ HE DONNO HOW TO MOD .. lolz

infact my exhaust is FULLY STOCK .. intake also .. lolzzzzzz....
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i just know he MEMALUKAN toyota engineer ... lolz rclxm9.gif
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post Jul 28 2017, 10:07 AM

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QUOTE(K3nnYkl82 @ Jul 28 2017, 09:54 AM)
he memang like to make up story ma ..

he tokok so much .. he also dunno what i modded .. he all imagine also ..
COZ HE DONNO HOW TO MOD .. lolz

infact my exhaust is FULLY STOCK .. intake also .. lolzzzzzz....
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i just know he MEMALUKAN toyota engineer ... lolz  rclxm9.gif
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really hai yang....

Don't even know apa tu VVT want to say exhaust back pressure choke, carbon buildup, no pickup....then if talk about intake/exhaust header design, nanti say what designer head sweat.gif

Because he don't understand, people simply claim toyota engineer also believe bulat bulat, mana tau itu orang simply claim sendiri toyota engineer when in fact could be just some non technical person trying to act smart.
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Alamak you guys, let him continue mar. Love to see people that think "everyone is having his back" but in actual he is the laughing stock.

"Few smart ones here already suspect that I'm playing a fool with you from the start." - Laugh die me!!!
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post Jul 28 2017, 10:57 AM

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Btw so far any owners of Optima GT?
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post Jul 28 2017, 12:22 PM

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QUOTE(K3nnYkl82 @ Jul 28 2017, 09:54 AM)
i just know he MEMALUKAN toyota engineer ... lolz  rclxm9.gif
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I also got Toyota insider information. A few Toyota engineers committed Harakiri because the shame of being associated with him was too much to bear. sad.gif
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post Jul 28 2017, 12:58 PM

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Hey guys am I late for the party?
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post Jul 28 2017, 01:02 PM

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QUOTE(dares @ Jul 28 2017, 04:01 AM)
Hahahahahahaha

To all dear FnF Forumers who has made it thus far, a summary of whats happening now:

-Dr Jay argue that turbo "activates" at a pre-determined RPM, via an opening of a valve from the intake plenum to the turbocharger. Of course, those who know better proceeded to rip his theory apart.

- Now knowing his imaginary turbo system is indefensible, he blames it on wkc5657, for whom he claimed to have made up this imaginary turbo system to troll.

- Fact is, he has put forth his claims about this imaginary turbo system years before, that time wkc5657 has not even started interacting with him yet.

God damn Dr.Jay you are such a gem to the comedian community  laugh.gif  laugh.gif  laugh.gif

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Thanks for summary bro notworthy.gif
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post Jul 28 2017, 02:15 PM

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QUOTE(jayraptor @ Jul 28 2017, 12:07 AM)
Correction to your comment, not everyone think of resale value and FC at first but they only feel pain when terhantuk hit their head on these 2 factors. Monthly petrol price, others with quality original parts fill up full tank twice a month, you fill up every week. Resale value, when comes to selling cars, others selling at market value, you have to keep slashing price because of no buyers.

The modding part, they feel excited and happy at first but later realised the car lost low end torque. Last time shift to D or reverse, the car already start moving move. After modding, need to press pedal only start moving. You remove catalytic converter and exhaust muffler with pipe kosong and DIY short straight muffler, pollution NOx makes your parents and in law, org tua cough and sneeze, deafening noisy to their ears too. Ferry whole family, the car suffers more at low end torque requiring you to floor pedal more, minyak also burn more.

All these like happy first then suffer and regret big time.

My VVT knowledge comes from technical experts, training and recognised engineering guide books. As opposed to your DIY trial and error with Ah Beng source. Which is why you still failed to tell Lancer GT and GL chassis code, really pity you. The service manual that you kept bragging about, you got it from your aunt who bought lancer GL, pinjam to scan or photostat
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Eh boy, your brain got problem? Or you thinking with your kukubird? You have issues with people who mod their cars? What with calling people ah beng here and there har? So people who work in those established tuning company and brands are ah bengs to you also la if according to what you say.


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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Jul 28 2017, 12:58 PM)
Hey guys am I late for the party?
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You sure want to have a leg in this party har blink.gif

QUOTE(TitanRev @ Jul 28 2017, 02:15 PM)
Eh boy, your brain got problem? Or you thinking with your kukubird? You have issues with people who mod their cars? What with calling people ah beng here and there har? So people who work in those established tuning company and brands are ah bengs to you also la if according to what you say.
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He has close to 40 years of "industry experience" and vast "insider knowledge" pool and "contacts", he should be approaching 60 years old, he is no more a mere boy. Calling him a boy is such an insult to his built up pedigree!

He believes religiously to that particular "toyota engineer", which given him the research findings of timing belt slipping causing VVT not efficient. All else is fairytale, like what he always labelled me!

Faham?! rolleyes.gif

This post has been edited by wkc5657: Jul 28 2017, 02:27 PM
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post Jul 28 2017, 03:36 PM

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QUOTE(TitanRev @ Jul 28 2017, 02:15 PM)
Eh boy, your brain got problem? Or you thinking with your kukubird? You have issues with people who mod their cars? What with calling people ah beng here and there har? So people who work in those established tuning company and brands are ah bengs to you also la if according to what you say.
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this one he also already answer..

U will regret later .. after mod , engine leak .. always need to check engine .
then ur Resale value drop
FC no good ..
the car create a Lot of NOx and ur parents have to smell it during the journey ..

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QUOTE(K3nnYkl82 @ Jul 28 2017, 03:36 PM)
this one he also already answer..

U will regret later .. after mod , engine leak .. always need to check engine .
then ur Resale value drop
FC no good ..
the car create a Lot of NOx and ur parents have to smell it during the journey ..

whistling.gif
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Proper performance mod = ah beng
Cosmetic mod that looks performance = good mod

So go put giant wing, exaggerated camber wheel. No need to tune suspension also, body kit makes it looks low is more important.

Remember looks increase RV, performance reduce RV.
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post Jul 28 2017, 04:59 PM

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QUOTE(wkc5657 @ Jul 28 2017, 02:24 PM)
You sure want to have a leg in this party har  blink.gif
He has close to 40 years of "industry experience" and vast "insider knowledge" pool and "contacts", he should be approaching 60 years old, he is no more a mere boy. Calling him a boy is such an insult to his built up pedigree!

He believes religiously to that particular "toyota engineer", which given him the research findings of timing belt slipping causing VVT not efficient. All else is fairytale, like what he always labelled me!

Faham?!  rolleyes.gif
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nonetheless he still talks like a boy.

QUOTE(K3nnYkl82 @ Jul 28 2017, 03:36 PM)
this one he also already answer..

U will regret later .. after mod , engine leak .. always need to check engine .
then ur Resale value drop
FC no good ..
the car create a Lot of NOx and ur parents have to smell it during the journey ..

whistling.gif
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Then he should ask all tuning arm and companie like TRD, AMG, Gazoo Racing, STI..all kasi bungkus coz makes car leak like no tomorrow.
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QUOTE(TitanRev @ Jul 28 2017, 04:59 PM)
nonetheless he still talks like a boy. 
Then he should ask all tuning arm and companie like TRD, AMG, Gazoo Racing, STI..all kasi bungkus coz makes car leak like no tomorrow.
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kebodohan is ok ..
but memperbodohkan toyota engineer .. that one kesian a bit...
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post Aug 5 2017, 12:13 AM

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QUOTE(dares @ Jul 28 2017, 04:01 AM)
Hahahahahahaha

To all dear FnF Forumers who has made it thus far, a summary of whats happening now:

-Dr Jay argue that turbo "activates" at a pre-determined RPM, via an opening of a valve from the intake plenum to the turbocharger. Of course, those who know better proceeded to rip his theory apart.

- Now knowing his imaginary turbo system is indefensible, he blames it on wkc5657, for whom he claimed to have made up this imaginary turbo system to troll.

- Fact is, he has put forth his claims about this imaginary turbo system years before, that time wkc5657 has not even started interacting with him yet.

God damn Dr.Jay you are such a gem to the comedian community  laugh.gif  laugh.gif  laugh.gif

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Moderator said I should stick to technical talk even if any of you cannot understand general or in detailed explanation.

Fact is turbocharger effective assist rpm is often referred to turbocharger activate speed in non-technical general explanation to non-technical people. It's on wiki too.

Let's take Preve 1.6T vs NA Honda Civic 2.0L
Civic 2.0
Output 153hp@6500rpm
Torque 190Nm@4300rpm
0-100kmh in 9.2s

Preve 1.6T
Output 138ps@5000rpm
Torque 205Nm@2000-4000rpm
0-100kmh in 9.6s

Based on your chart and claim that the turbocharger could assist before 2000rpm, then by right the preve should has more torque and power than Civic below 4000rpm. Real driving result, the Preve lacks such torque below 2000rpm and only getting the strength and power it needs from 2000rpm onwards only. So how come?

Reason being the impeller in exhaust could only spin the compressor in air intake fast enough to draw in dense air from 2000rpm onwards. Even when turbo is within effective rpm, that doesn't mean it will always beat NA engine which tells why the Civic 2.0L beats the Preve 1.6T (boosted to strength of 2.0L).

In non-technical term explanation for this situation on turbocharger effective rpm, for example you stand at a distance from a fan at speed 1, you won't feel the air. Press speed 2 you can feel air blowing towards you and speed 3 even far more air. This is the same thing on the turbocharger effective assist rpm. The preve 1.6T, from idle to 1999rpm, the impeller and compressor are spinning but not enough to draw in dense air into combustion chamber. Without dense air, less fuel is burned and there's no strong combustion that generates the high power and strength.
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