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post Jul 21 2017, 11:08 AM

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QUOTE(wkc5657 @ Jul 21 2017, 10:46 AM)
- turbocharger will "activated"

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You reminded me of this, from way back when.

He "taught" us, turbo only activate at certain RPMs. At other RPMs it is practically just sitting there doing nothing whistling.gif So I made this graph to illustrate his "teachings".

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post Jul 21 2017, 11:23 AM

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QUOTE(wkc5657 @ Jul 21 2017, 11:15 AM)
How dare you missed an important point into his latest "feature thesis lecture" notes  ranting.gif  :

Wastegate is open before turbo kick in yo
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post Jul 21 2017, 01:16 PM

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QUOTE(K3nnYkl82 @ Jul 21 2017, 01:03 PM)
Please la, Tau Salah d please correct ur graph to reflect wastegate open before turbo activate
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The graph ngam la! vmad.gif
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post Jul 22 2017, 10:39 AM

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QUOTE(jayraptor @ Jul 22 2017, 09:23 AM)
The wastegate valve opens at fixed rpm eg. Twinscroll turbocharger at 1200rpm, yes it'll open whenever reaching 1200rpm.
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I am compelled to ignore the rest of your "lecture" to point this out.

Do you know what happens when the wastegate open?
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post Jul 22 2017, 10:53 AM

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QUOTE(K3nnYkl82 @ Jul 22 2017, 10:45 AM)
Common man, he is the smartest guy on Earth. Why an Earth u ask such question?
He knows timing belt slips all the time that causes vvti not efficient, but u expect him do not know how a wastegate work?
U can do better than that bro
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Just wanna make sure it's not a new invention ma, wastegate that open to "activate" tebo.

Who knows it's a new tebo design by him, the turbine is on the other side of the wastegate whistling.gif
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post Jul 22 2017, 01:23 PM

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QUOTE(jayraptor @ Jul 22 2017, 01:16 PM)
Wastegate doesn't activate turbo, what were you thinking. The word waste already clear means thrash to dump excess air out. It's the valve in plenum that opens where air is drawn in by the spool on intake side. This valve opening is what people said turbo activates. Still want to help that korean fanboy?
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OK so

- turbo wastegate is used to dump excess air.
- There is a valve in the plenum that opens and closes the turbo intake side, which activates/deactivates the turbo.

Got it

wkc5657 k3nnykl82 u sellman got pay attention in class anot!?

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post Jul 22 2017, 01:34 PM

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QUOTE(jayraptor @ Jul 22 2017, 01:30 PM)
Why keep twisting what I've posted? You too kiasu to accept wkc5657 failure? You guys said wanted to help Korean cars defeat Sebastian Japanese rival, so where are your contribution to spoon-feed the dying Korean sales? I'll start new thread for Kia Rio, you 3 stooges if so clever, try to post proper comments to challenge instead of irrelevant twisting others comments
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I where got twist. You tell me which part I twist.
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post Jul 22 2017, 05:10 PM

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QUOTE(wkc5657 @ Jul 22 2017, 04:31 PM)
"valve in plenum that opens where air is drawn in by the spool on intake side"

Isn't this throttle butterfly??

Then throttle butterfly at intake buat apa for turbocharged car if the wastegate works like described?

Got mixed up with diverter/BOV which also nested at the intake? But this one for different purpose leh??

Unless his turbo got another separate air intake source la.....
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Even the throttle butterfly valve comes after the intercooler, not before the turbo.

We misundersood liao, it'a actually a brand new engine technology patented by Prof Jay

- Has a Plenum BEFORE the turbo
- Plenum has a valve that opens and closes to the turbo
- Has a wastegate that "dumps excess air", whatever that means. Or he simple renamed "BOV" to "wastegate".

Prof Jay what is the name of this new engine ah?

Did I twist any of your words? if yes pls correct me ah notworthy.gif

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post Jul 24 2017, 12:13 PM

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QUOTE(TitanRev @ Jul 24 2017, 11:13 AM)
Just want to correct your mistake. Wastegate don't rely on RPM to work it works based on boost pressure.
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His "wastegate" is different from our "wastegate".
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post Jul 24 2017, 12:26 PM

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QUOTE(jayraptor @ Jul 23 2017, 10:53 AM)
The turbo actually has 1 spool in exhaust while another has an alternate hose branched out from air intake after the filter. If there's no valve there as per your claim, are you saying the air flows into 2 hoses after the filter?
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Kesian never heard of Diverter Valve(also known as recirculation or blowoff) and Positive Crank Valve.

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post Jul 24 2017, 01:57 PM

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QUOTE(wkc5657 @ Jul 24 2017, 01:42 PM)
Ehehehe....have to be fair to car sifu jay, this time point sidikit correction for you  sweat.gif

Although diverter valve and blow off valve serve the same purpose, the way it works a bit different. Diverter valve will recirculate within the intake stream while blow off valve will kentut out the extra air pressure. Meaning blowoff won't recirculate back into intake, only diverter valve will.

PCV full name = positive crankcase ventilation

*saw your sig, does the korean fanboy point to me kah??  rolleyes.gif
Add on :

He dictates his engineering and physics law and declares our blasphemy on those law
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You're right blowoff is different that it does not recirculate the high pressure air back to intake, but since both is used to relief the high pressure air charge after the turbo, I wanted to be sure to cover all my bases. You know la nanti prof tell me that's not a diverter valve that's a blowoff yada yada blah blah blah

Yep the V in PCV is Ventilation not Valve, thanks for the correction.

Who else does it refer to? laugh.gif

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post Jul 24 2017, 09:25 PM

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QUOTE(jayraptor @ Jul 24 2017, 08:59 PM)

I just checked Google where you guys get source, none of them show anything about the plenum that works similar to VIS.
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Explain so much I too bodo to understand.

Why don't u google a diagram that has what you described, easier lah.
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post Jul 24 2017, 09:36 PM

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QUOTE(K3nnYkl82 @ Jul 24 2017, 09:29 PM)
Eh. I just found out u also not salesman d ah?
Mana kerja now bro?
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Oh I promoted to regional marketing manager for Honda dy, I didn't tell u meh?

I always come here to read up marketing and product planning tips from professor(s). Oh a dude named Sebastian often email me with tips, dunno if he is from here anot hmm.gif
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post Jul 25 2017, 01:05 AM

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QUOTE(jayraptor @ Jul 25 2017, 12:32 AM)
anything wrong if I said "that turbo activate at 1200rpm to none tech savvy person.
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So let's say, a 1.6l turbocharged engine, the earliest the turbo "activates" is 2,500 RPM.

Before 2,500RPM it will only produce as much power as a typical 1.6NA?

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post Jul 25 2017, 07:16 AM

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QUOTE(wkc5657 @ Jul 25 2017, 12:01 AM)
Wah....playing the trump card that he kept to "laugh us off"...VIS...fuhyo :
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http://www.gtfours.co.uk/what/tvis/tvis.htm
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T-VIS
This obsolete liao lar.....where got any modern diagram will show this? None of the modern Toyota engines apply this anymore.

Did you try thinking why isn't this implemented now since it was so ground breaking? ....the answer is very obvious, and you mentioned it yourself many times before indirectly. Didn't you realise that??

40 years of industry experience shouldn't be a difficult to figure out.

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Actually T-VIS has nothing to do with Turbo also rclxms.gif
Unless he thought T = Turbo
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post Jul 25 2017, 08:30 AM

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QUOTE(jayraptor @ Jul 25 2017, 08:20 AM)
Based on type of turbocharger, the spool in exhaust able to spin the spool in air intake to draw in high dense air varies. The newer more advanced able to operate at lower rpm.

Single or the base turbocharger in preve 1.6T effective rpm speed 2000rpm onwards.

VGT in Santa Fe from 1800rpm onwards, Elantra sport 1500rpm onwards.

Twinscroll in BMW 3 series from 1200rpm.

Best car for the test, you can take Elantra 2.0L NA vs Elantra 1.6T to test below its effective turbo assist speed 1500rpm. Park both side by side with you in the 1.6T and Kenny in 2.0L, both accelerate to 1300rpm at same time and hold, Kenny would overtake you because without turbo assist, the 2.0L has more torque than 1.6L.
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That is not what I asked.

I asked before the turbo "activates", is the power output equivalent to the NA counterpart?

ie: before the turbo in the 1.6l engine "activates", it is only making power like a typical 1.6l NA?
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post Jul 25 2017, 03:29 PM

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I am still waiting for him to answer my question.
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post Jul 26 2017, 12:30 PM

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I noticed his new pattern

When his "facts" kena ripped apart until he cannot defend it, he will putar halim say he "dumbed it down" for others whistling.gif

And then he putar to something even more wrong than his earlier assertions whistling.gif whistling.gif

AND he still has not answer my question.

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post Jul 26 2017, 08:11 PM

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Where is the diagram of the turbo system you described, you promised me you show us.

Neh that one with a valve on the intake plenum that opens to the turbo mia.

Better u show us la later some of us "twist" your words.

Oh I'm still waiting your answer to my question below:

QUOTE(dares @ Jul 25 2017, 01:05 AM)
So let's say, a 1.6l turbocharged engine, the earliest the turbo "activates" is 2,500 RPM.

Before 2,500RPM it will only produce as much power as a typical 1.6NA?
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Y U IGNORE ME sad.gif

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post Jul 26 2017, 11:00 PM

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QUOTE(jayraptor @ Jul 26 2017, 08:48 PM)
The diagram in your fairy tale dream last night, already passed to you. How come you didn't see?
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Oh now u also realize that turbo system you described only exists in fairy tale.

QUOTE(K3nnYkl82 @ Jul 26 2017, 09:46 PM)
Dares
He cant.. Because he dont know anything
His knowledge is zero... His talk is all based on his imagination..  Nothing to back him up.. Poor guy after So many years still belum wake up..
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Now we know all his claims now and before (50kg bar, timing belt slippage, add one gear behind 4AT become 5AT, conti car smell etc. etc. etc.) are based on fairy tale.

No wonder so incredible. No wonder he became Honda fanboy now. Power of dreams.

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