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post Jul 26 2017, 07:39 PM

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QUOTE(K3nnYkl82 @ Jul 26 2017, 07:01 PM)
Eh.. Now put the responsibility to me? U the one claim got difference in lancer gt n GL.. I said is trim difference.. U the one know nothing and says got difference..  Now ur owner claim as me to provide pula? U know nothing.. Totally nothing..

Light weight rim u mention... I remember u says lancer gt 12 kg rim weight is neglectable compare to GL 9.8 kg rim..

Next.. U r the one says we modded not reliable always breakdown.. Now chance story.. Admit it.. U know nothing.. And for god sake.. Those whom like sprint driving will know tear n wear will be higher.. And ppl mod because wants to gain more... Takkan that u also cannot brain.. All the ppl only wan keep as minimal maintenance and as low FC? Please.. Ur own thinking don't apply to others.. U know no shit.. But claim to know all.. When ppl talk turbo.. Wastegate... U know no shit..

U like to same FC n no mod that is ur problem.. But u know nothing and mislead that we will shoot.. Talk like problem.. But actually know nothing...  I bet u just talk to mmc salesman and he says chassis difference u assume is difference then stated to make up story.  Please.. U can have ur own opinion but don't ask ppl telan ur opinion. And the most stupid ever opinion is always from u.. Bcoz u know nothing..

And please u bodoh enuf d.. Don't make urself more bodoh
. Ecu runs with eeprom memory.. Custom selling won't run off once u remove the battery... See.. Another bodoh pretend smart. U never know how to even mod.. Or even how the thing works. And simply says.. How ironic.. So u same something in the phone... Remove battery.. Back to original... Panai...
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I replied based on facts provided by MMC technical.

Regarding the turbo talk, when a person keeps saying rubbish when telling facts, then better tell fairy tale. Like you same thing, maybe should turn to fairy tale talk if you're going to keep attacking without facts to match your level.

Regarding stupid mods, if that Ah Beng is not the type that always check engine bay or listen to noise for anything wrong, most likely he'll end up car stalled by roadside. For you, you always check sure will quickly go workshop or buy parts if anything wrong. Compared to owner with stock inspira, how much have you spent on maintenance? You spend more time checking engine and fixing?
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post Jul 26 2017, 07:47 PM

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QUOTE(jayraptor @ Jul 26 2017, 07:39 PM)
I replied based on facts provided by MMC technical.

Regarding the turbo talk, when a person keeps saying rubbish when telling facts, then better tell fairy tale. Like you same thing, maybe should turn to fairy tale talk if you're going to keep attacking without facts to match your level. 

Regarding stupid mods, if that Ah Beng is not the type that always check engine bay or listen to noise for anything wrong, most likely he'll end up car stalled by roadside. For you, you always check sure will quickly go workshop or buy parts if anything wrong. Compared to owner with stock inspira, how much have you spent on maintenance? You spend more time checking engine and fixing?
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Technicial ur arse? Where is ur evidence?
Simply talk who also can.. U don't even know any thing.

Now don't divert.. Show me ur Technicial talk.. Don't divert.. Last time u mention weight no difference now u says weight make difference..

No need divert... U says my car breakdown.. I dare ask u go ask any car i do breakdown.. U know nothing and keep talking like a pro whom know nothing.. Ecu reset after battery remove.. Ur Technicial knowledge from kopitiam?

Further more.. Making story... U know what i modded to the car? Ah beng mod? U tak tau pun... U don't even know ecu got eeprom.. U don't know how everything works.. Ur Technicial knowledge is "hear says" ur still is turn n divert.. U know nothing...

Last time u claim 50kg anti rol bar.. We dare u go we go weight it.. U coward off also.. Coz u keyboard warrior... And make story based on ur imaginary.. Kesian..
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post Jul 26 2017, 07:59 PM

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QUOTE(jayraptor @ Jul 26 2017, 07:39 PM)
I replied based on facts provided by MMC technical.

Regarding the turbo talk, when a person keeps saying rubbish when telling facts, then better tell fairy tale. Like you same thing, maybe should turn to fairy tale talk if you're going to keep attacking without facts to match your level. 

Regarding stupid mods, if that Ah Beng is not the type that always check engine bay or listen to noise for anything wrong, most likely he'll end up car stalled by roadside. For you, you always check sure will quickly go workshop or buy parts if anything wrong. Compared to owner with stock inspira, how much have you spent on maintenance? You spend more time checking engine and fixing?
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No need divert attention to my mod
. I wants prove ur stupidity and wrong theory only.

Technicial talk??
Name calling or stuff like timing belt slips which cave dvvt not efficient? U don't even know what will happen when timing belt slips... And u says u talk technical? I think anyone know a bit bout car will know what happen when timing belt slips.. With ur knowledge u call urself technical talk???!
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post Jul 26 2017, 08:11 PM

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Where is the diagram of the turbo system you described, you promised me you show us.

Neh that one with a valve on the intake plenum that opens to the turbo mia.

Better u show us la later some of us "twist" your words.

Oh I'm still waiting your answer to my question below:

QUOTE(dares @ Jul 25 2017, 01:05 AM)
So let's say, a 1.6l turbocharged engine, the earliest the turbo "activates" is 2,500 RPM.

Before 2,500RPM it will only produce as much power as a typical 1.6NA?
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post Jul 26 2017, 08:48 PM

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QUOTE(dares @ Jul 26 2017, 08:11 PM)
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Where is the diagram of the turbo system you described, you promised me you show us.

Neh that one with a valve on the intake plenum that opens to the turbo mia.

Better u show us la later some of us "twist" your words.

Oh I'm still waiting your answer to my question below:
Y U IGNORE ME  sad.gif
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The diagram in your fairy tale dream last night, already passed to you. How come you didn't see?

As for the related post and question, already answered you in Elantra 2.0L vs 1.6T bumper to bumper crawl challenge. If this is not enough, can take Kenny's turbo lancar for example. Say his walancar turbo impeller could only start drawing in dense air to boost the engine from 2500rpm, below that, his walancar only gets the NA strength. If you're driving Lancer 2.4L, sure can beat him.
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post Jul 26 2017, 09:03 PM

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QUOTE(K3nnYkl82 @ Jul 26 2017, 07:59 PM)
No need divert attention to my mod
. I wants prove ur stupidity and wrong theory only.

Technicial talk??
Name calling or stuff like timing belt slips which cave dvvt not efficient? U don't even know what will happen when timing belt slips... And u says u talk technical?  I think anyone know a bit bout car will know what happen when timing belt slips.. With ur knowledge u call urself technical talk???!
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You can remain stuck in your backward world with obsolete tech. So you're claiming that you're smarter than toyota engineers who created VVTi and calling them stupid on their research result. Wow, then how come you're selling ah Beng parts and not an R&D engineer in overseas? Also, why so afraid to ask local lancer group enthusiast? You may vent anger and kept saying all my points (when not blunder) all wrong but personally you might think otherwise.

Did you regret modding your walancar wasting so much money for nothing at the end? If you change car now, used car dealer might not even dare to accept or take at very low price. JPJ also strict on 2nd hand cars nowadays. Bank loan also another obstacle, might not approve loan coz not original. If loan defaulted, they take in your modded car also worry cannot sell. How many 2nd hand buyer can pay cash in big sums if loan not approved?
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post Jul 26 2017, 09:09 PM

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QUOTE(jayraptor @ Jul 26 2017, 09:03 PM)
You can remain stuck in your backward world with obsolete tech. So you're claiming that you're smarter than toyota engineers who created VVTi and calling them stupid on their research result. Wow, then how come you're selling ah Beng parts and not an R&D engineer in overseas? Also, why so afraid to ask local lancer group enthusiast?  You may vent anger and kept saying all my points (when not blunder) all wrong but personally you might think otherwise.

Did you regret modding your walancar wasting so much money for nothing at the end? If you change car now, used car dealer might not even dare to accept or take at very low price. JPJ also strict on 2nd hand cars nowadays. Bank loan also another obstacle, might not approve loan coz not original. If loan defaulted, they take in your modded car also worry cannot sell. How many 2nd hand buyer can pay cash in big sums if loan not approved?
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Toyota not stupid u are..
Toyota never mention it.. U did.. Without evidence u says is Toyota... And the fact u don't even know how a timing belt works.. Technicial knowledge eh?

Again. Don't put ur opinion into ppl mind.. I love my ride.. Not every idiot like u will think of resale value and FC only.. And So stupid that think lancer have more sold value compare to inspira used.. As u rugi more buying a lancer gt.. Ur match also failed..

So how now? Ur dvvt knowledge failed.. Ur turbo failed... Ur eeprom knowledge also talak.. How to talk technical?

Everyone can says a fren told me this n that.. U think ur fantasy still works? Common.
U have no knowledge about cars at all..
The fact is some ppl prefer stock prefer good FC.. Some prefer modding it and enjoying it.. And bcoz u know nothing about car.. Even eeprom will reset right? Lolzzz

Memalukan sendiri.. Again divert to my car.. No point..who cars my resale value or i regret or not.. I don't mind.. No body wants to know i regret or not.. But the point is to show ur stupidity... Yes.. Ur zero knowledge... Show ur article Toyota says..
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post Jul 26 2017, 09:46 PM

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QUOTE(jayraptor @ Jul 26 2017, 08:48 PM)
The diagram in your fairy tale dream last night, already passed to you. How come you didn't see?

As for the related post and question, already answered you in Elantra 2.0L vs 1.6T bumper to bumper crawl challenge. If this is not enough, can take Kenny's turbo lancar for example. Say his walancar turbo impeller could only start drawing in dense air to boost the engine from 2500rpm, below that, his walancar only gets the NA strength. If you're driving Lancer 2.4L, sure can beat him.
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He cant.. Because he dont know anything
His knowledge is zero... His talk is all based on his imagination.. Nothing to back him up.. Poor guy after So many years still belum wake up..
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post Jul 26 2017, 09:52 PM

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QUOTE(jayraptor @ Jul 26 2017, 09:44 AM)

As for modded cars, non of the modshop people are high level engineers equivalent to those in manufacturing cars. Like you for example, you replace original technical parts with custom mods (not from original lancer parts) that never really been through extreme R & D testing. The car will run but how often do you check under bonnet compared to those who stick to original stock cars in long term. How come you check far more than others? Because these mod parts are never perfect that even you don't trust they are safe. A car with serious leakage, noise, rattle, torque loss, suffer serious high FC, bad mixtute with black smoke can still run as long as you refill all the fluids that have leaked off.
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Ok I'm triggered on this part. Please... not all modify or performance parts you said are lousy or not safe or what ever it is. Some companies have spent a lot of RnD on developing performance parts and they also do real world testing with test cars ok. Please think why a good set of performance exhaust system can cost 5-6k and a good set of suspension can cost up to 10k. Companies like Ohlins, Brembo, HKS, Fujitsubo, AEM, Cusco, Whiteline..etc are not BS companies and have engineers of their own that is very much qualified.
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post Jul 26 2017, 09:55 PM

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QUOTE(jayraptor @ Jul 26 2017, 06:41 PM)

For others, I'll advise them to keep a car stock and original. If modify also only change bumper, lights, rim, etc to high spec trim or new facelift is ok. Else, save money better. Later on can buy new better car. If mod car like you, after 10 years also still stuck with old junk that is suffering from serious wear and tear compared to stock model of same year.
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Please don't talk like that..my FD2R and WRX is still rocking even after modded. How? I also have a heavily modded saga that I use for time attack/ track days and still can daily drive..no issue also

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post Jul 26 2017, 09:57 PM

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QUOTE(jayraptor @ Jul 26 2017, 07:39 PM)
Regarding stupid mods, if that Ah Beng is not the type that always check engine bay or listen to noise for anything wrong, most likely he'll end up car stalled by roadside. For you, you always check sure will quickly go workshop or buy parts if anything wrong. Compared to owner with stock inspira, how much have you spent on maintenance? You spend more time checking engine and fixing?
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So you are calling all car modders ah beng now??
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post Jul 26 2017, 09:57 PM

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QUOTE(TitanRev @ Jul 26 2017, 09:52 PM)
Ok I'm triggered on this part. Please... not all modify or performance parts you said are lousy or not safe or what ever it is. Some companies have spent a lot of RnD on developing performance parts and they also do real world testing with test cars ok. Please think why a good set of performance exhaust system can cost 5-6k and a good set of suspension can cost up to 10k. Companies like Ohlins, Brembo, HKS, Fujitsubo, AEM, Cusco, Whiteline..etc are not BS companies and have engineers of their own that is very much qualified.
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He failed how timing belt works.. U expect him to think?

Even as a salesman or marketing he also failed... Everything businessman looks at ROI... So some parts after marketing are better bcoz maintenance manufacture want to keep the cost down for mass production.. He dont even understand that..
His ecu don't have eeprom..
Vehicle weight does not make a difference (at least previous.. Now have difference)
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QUOTE(wkc5657 @ Jul 26 2017, 04:24 PM)
Best accompanying song :

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post Jul 26 2017, 11:00 PM

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QUOTE(jayraptor @ Jul 26 2017, 08:48 PM)
The diagram in your fairy tale dream last night, already passed to you. How come you didn't see?
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Oh now u also realize that turbo system you described only exists in fairy tale.

QUOTE(K3nnYkl82 @ Jul 26 2017, 09:46 PM)
Dares
He cant.. Because he dont know anything
His knowledge is zero... His talk is all based on his imagination..  Nothing to back him up.. Poor guy after So many years still belum wake up..
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Now we know all his claims now and before (50kg bar, timing belt slippage, add one gear behind 4AT become 5AT, conti car smell etc. etc. etc.) are based on fairy tale.

No wonder so incredible. No wonder he became Honda fanboy now. Power of dreams.

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post Jul 27 2017, 11:16 AM

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QUOTE(jayraptor @ Jul 26 2017, 07:21 PM)
In marketing, you don't always get fair competition like Korean using C segment to compete Japanese B segment in rm80k price range. You don't know what is bumper to bumper crawl test? That is part of low end torque test. They expect your Optima GT to slash price to cheaper than Japanese D segment 2.4/2.5L. Accord 1.5T and Camry 2.5L aren't really so weak that they'll lose at low end, difference can be just tiny which is why it is wiser to buy Accord or Camry or Mazda 6 for long term ownership. Turbocharged does not always mean better.

Explain in general or technical on how turbocharger works also pointless coz you're not here for LYF cartalk but to vent your anger. Just go down to your low level with fairy tale talk to entertain you. Few smart ones here already suspect that I'm playing a fool with you from the start. You probably already done the low end torque test before I started the turbo blunder talk to poke fun at you.

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Er what marketing fairness?? New marketing management study topic composed by you?? You don't even want to look into context, subtext, pretext or even try understanding economies of scale and want to go into new marketing technique?

Bumper to bumper crawl torque test....seriously?? I think i try submitting this proposal to NCAP, NHTSA and IIHS, maybe they give me commendation and put me as honourary fellow in their board. tongue.gif

Eh all car makes in this earth, did you ever do this??!! You say do bumper to bumper crawl test to test the autonomous braking masih acceptable, but for torque test....Wakau, laugh me die...almost pissed on my pants again...mana lojik kau? mega_shok.gif

"I started the turbo blunder talk to poke fun at you" Oh....que song :


From someone who can't differentiate what twinscroll turbocharging from twin turbo? The effects of wastegate buka or tutup also confused? And got special intake path before "turbocharger activate", etc, etc. SO it was a test eh?? Really??

Actually no, because your turbo already "activate" since 2013 :

QUOTE(jayraptor @ May 17 2013, 11:35 PM)
.... Example, 1.6T fitted to >1500kg D-segment, at 1200-1500rpm before turbocharger activate, could feel sluggish. Same goes to 2.2L Turbo diesel engine fitted on >2000kg behemoth, at low end when start moving, it could hardly move without turbo assist at 1500rpm onwards.
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In case people say i simply edit the quote :
https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/2814693/+20

QUOTE(dares @ Jul 26 2017, 11:00 PM)
Oh now u also realize that turbo system you described only exists in fairy tale.
Now we know all his claims now and before (50kg bar, timing belt slippage, add one gear behind 4AT become 5AT, conti car smell etc. etc. etc.) are based on fairy tale.

No wonder so incredible. No wonder he became Honda fanboy now. Power of dreams.
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Wei....he already said was poking fun of me and testing us, why twist his word say fairy tale?? Your avatar name is dares but you that DARING??!!

When i saw what you wrote about power of dreams, geee...you almost made me piss on my pants again from the laughs. Power of wet dreams i suppose wub.gif

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post Jul 27 2017, 12:15 PM

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QUOTE(wkc5657 @ Jul 27 2017, 11:16 AM)
Er what marketing fairness?? New marketing management study topic composed by you?? You don't even want to look into context, subtext, pretext or even try understanding economies of scale and want to go into new marketing technique?

Bumper to bumper crawl torque test....seriously?? I think i try submitting this proposal to NCAP, NHTSA and IIHS, maybe they give me commendation and put me as honourary fellow in their board.  tongue.gif

Eh all car makes in this earth, did you ever do this??!! You say do bumper to bumper crawl test to test the autonomous braking masih acceptable, but for torque test....Wakau, laugh me die...almost pissed on my pants again...mana lojik kau?  mega_shok.gif

"I started the turbo blunder talk to poke fun at you" Oh....que song :


From someone who can't differentiate what twinscroll turbocharging from twin turbo? The effects of wastegate buka or tutup also confused? And got special intake path before "turbocharger activate", etc, etc. SO it was a test eh?? Really??

Actually no, because your turbo already "activate" since 2013 :
In case people say i simply edit the quote :
https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/2814693/+20
Wei....he already said was poking fun of me and testing us, why twist his word say fairy tale?? Your avatar name is dares but you that DARING??!!

When i saw what you wrote about power of dreams, geee...you almost made me piss on my pants again from the laughs. Power of wet dreams i suppose  wub.gif
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MARKETING ?

please... he knows nothing ... even marketing..
1. he does not know what is ROI
2. his RnD is all about performance
3. his manufacturing has nothing to do with money (he mention inspira only took the look of lancer while the chassis is in house build) .. 20 thousand unit sold .. in 5 years... aka 4k unit per year .. and spend a lot to develop the chassis .. LOGICAL boh ... u says he knows anything or not lo ....
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post Jul 27 2017, 01:21 PM

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QUOTE(K3nnYkl82 @ Jul 27 2017, 12:15 PM)
2. his RnD is all about performance

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Correction

R&D latest result is about the from idle to 1400rpm rev range torque and fuel consumption....he let us know got new super top secret bumper to bumper crawl torque test dude cool2.gif

Why apom balik his comments, have you been eating too much twisties yourself? laugh.gif

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post Jul 28 2017, 12:07 AM

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QUOTE(K3nnYkl82 @ Jul 26 2017, 09:09 PM)
Toyota not stupid u are..
Toyota never mention it.. U did.. Without evidence u says is Toyota... And the fact u don't even know how a timing belt works.. Technicial knowledge eh?

Again. Don't put ur opinion into ppl mind.. I love my ride..  Not every idiot like u will think of resale value and FC only.. And So stupid that think lancer have more sold value compare to inspira used.. As u rugi more buying a lancer gt.. Ur match also failed..

So how now? Ur dvvt knowledge failed.. Ur turbo failed... Ur eeprom knowledge also talak..  How to talk technical?

Everyone can says a fren told me this n that.. U think ur fantasy still works? Common.
U have no knowledge about cars at all..
The fact is some ppl prefer stock prefer good FC.. Some prefer modding it and enjoying it.. And bcoz u know nothing about car.. Even eeprom will reset right? Lolzzz

Memalukan sendiri.. Again divert to my car.. No point..who cars my resale value or i regret or not.. I don't mind.. No body wants to know i regret or not.. But the point is to show ur stupidity...  Yes.. Ur zero knowledge...  Show ur article Toyota says..
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Correction to your comment, not everyone think of resale value and FC at first but they only feel pain when terhantuk hit their head on these 2 factors. Monthly petrol price, others with quality original parts fill up full tank twice a month, you fill up every week. Resale value, when comes to selling cars, others selling at market value, you have to keep slashing price because of no buyers.

The modding part, they feel excited and happy at first but later realised the car lost low end torque. Last time shift to D or reverse, the car already start moving move. After modding, need to press pedal only start moving. You remove catalytic converter and exhaust muffler with pipe kosong and DIY short straight muffler, pollution NOx makes your parents and in law, org tua cough and sneeze, deafening noisy to their ears too. Ferry whole family, the car suffers more at low end torque requiring you to floor pedal more, minyak also burn more.

All these like happy first then suffer and regret big time.

My VVT knowledge comes from technical experts, training and recognised engineering guide books. As opposed to your DIY trial and error with Ah Beng source. Which is why you still failed to tell Lancer GT and GL chassis code, really pity you. The service manual that you kept bragging about, you got it from your aunt who bought lancer GL, pinjam to scan or photostat?

The turbocharger theories, since wkc5657 going to twist my facts to fairy tale, I explained to him terbalik way for him to twist back to facts. Fun to see a loser being fooled around. You were around when I first posted correct facts how Santa Fe 2010 and newer 2012 turbodiesel VGT works from intake to exhaust that was applauded by everyone and done torque test showing how it beats 3.5L v6. The location and functions all correctly told as opposed to fairy tale concept to cater wkc5657 brain.

You and wkc5657 can continue to post the twisted fairy tale version theories since you guys love the fairy tale so much. The facts version you don't like because it puts your modded junk to shame. Turbocharged doesn't mean superior in overall. If modded turbo, that is disaster. You take suprimak or preve 1.6T , it can never beat Mazda 3 2.0L NA in overall.
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QUOTE(jayraptor @ Jul 28 2017, 12:18 AM)
Wow, looks likw you really like the twisted facts version more than the facts version on how turbocharger works. I'm glad I didn't waste time posting facts version. With terbalik brain people really need to explain terbalik style like switching waste gate with BOV and came up with fairy tale plenum. See how happy you are now.
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To all dear FnF Forumers who has made it thus far, a summary of whats happening now:

-Dr Jay argue that turbo "activates" at a pre-determined RPM, via an opening of a valve from the intake plenum to the turbocharger. Of course, those who know better proceeded to rip his theory apart.

- Now knowing his imaginary turbo system is indefensible, he blames it on wkc5657, for whom he claimed to have made up this imaginary turbo system to troll.

- Fact is, he has put forth his claims about this imaginary turbo system years before, that time wkc5657 has not even started interacting with him yet.

God damn Dr.Jay you are such a gem to the comedian community laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif

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