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 Kia Optima GT 2017 at rm179k

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post Aug 7 2017, 11:36 AM

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QUOTE(dares @ Aug 7 2017, 11:27 AM)
Maybe he thought it's this
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Hai tech wor... Need to add intercooler.. Normally the air hot a bit.
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QUOTE(dares @ Aug 7 2017, 11:27 AM)
Maybe he thought it's this
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This one got the ionizer function or not? An even more advanced form of air charging.
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post Aug 7 2017, 11:59 AM

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QUOTE(K3nnYkl82 @ Aug 7 2017, 11:36 AM)
Hai tech wor... Need to add intercooler.. Normally the air hot a bit.
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very high tech. You see got buttons to ACTIVATE the turbo. 2 stage summore.
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QUOTE(kluseng @ Jun 26 2017, 03:22 PM)
If your only criteria is fun to drive than of course Passat but the overall ownership experience must take into account maintenance. A Passat is more expensive and troublesome to maintain as DSG, mechatronic, coil packs and adaptive dampers are high failure items. Do you have alternative transport if your car lands in the workshop for weeks?

I'm not saying an Optima is cheap to maintain but it shouldn't be too different from a D-segment Jap car. Any Optima/Sonata owners can give their input?
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Taking the 2.0 as the benchmark against the GT then -

1. Gearbox failure rate is extremely rare - which is why the mk6 GTI and the mk7 GTI still retains its value much better than the rest of the 7 speeders.

2. coil packs - wear and tear - It was good for at least 60k miles for me (stock). I think it would have still gone on working for another 10k or more had I not decided to change to red packs. Mixed results for some people, suspect the stock coil pack wears a lot faster for people who are extremely aggressive or extremely passive with their cars, which sounds weird but is true.

3. Adaptive dampers - Haven't heard of any failure but as wear and tear, things start to need replacing after a certain mileage (as with any car). A friend has told me a car's absorbers actually should be replaced around the 60,000km mileage.

4. Resale value - Will not be as good as the Japanese but unlike the rest of the 7 speeders, the 2.0 Passat should have the same kind of value retention like the mk6 and mk7 GTI as it does not suffer the same kind of problem like the 7 speeder models. Take a look at Mudah for the prices of a 2nd hand mk7 GTI to give yourself some idea how well the 2.0 Passat will sell after a few years down the road.

Conti parts start having issues with wear and tear around the 100,000km mileage. This is when things starts to get expensive. Engine mounting, lower arm bearings, speed sensors, engine manifolds, absorbers and absorber mounting, engine seals and brake disc needs to be replaced around this time. Once this is done, the car should be good for another 100,000km.

Issue about parts availability - AFAIK, engine parts are readily available as they share the same identical parts with the mk7 GTI. This applies to almost everything in the Passat except for the visual parts (lights, led), body panels or aero parts.

On average, it shouldn't cost more to service a 2.0 Passat compared to the 2.0 Camry. Please refer to the cost of servicing the cars to the following pages. This is strictly following their servicing guides to the letter. Unfortunately, no service guide exists for the KIA Optima GT or none that I have come across online

https://toyota.com.my/ToyotaOfficialWebsite...01707/Camry.pdf
https://cdn.volkswagen.com.my/media/Kwc_Bas...2-0-updated.pdf

The 5 year free service does not apply to the 2.0 Highline - which is a pity.
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post Aug 7 2017, 01:37 PM

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Wahhh...
U all so free layan a sorhigh ah?
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QUOTE(K3nnYkl82 @ Jul 25 2017, 11:53 AM)
Simplified,but after I baca. Langsung Tak faham..... Lol
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He already simply simplified for u to read still u no understand, means u more chunhigh than him wor.
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post Aug 7 2017, 02:27 PM

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QUOTE(Pip_X @ Aug 7 2017, 01:47 PM)
He already simply simplified for u to read still u no understand, means u more chunhigh than him wor.
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u paham mou ? rclxms.gif
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QUOTE(K3nnYkl82 @ Aug 7 2017, 02:27 PM)
u paham mou ?  rclxms.gif
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Tak... thumbup.gif icon_idea.gif
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post Aug 7 2017, 06:37 PM

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Toyota oil change intervals are nuts!
Coming from a Jap owner, VW service charges are insane, whilst it's 15,000km OCI is good to go.
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post Aug 7 2017, 11:52 PM

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QUOTE(constant_weight @ Aug 6 2017, 08:30 PM)
Hahaha... man, you can really tell story, but you don't know why.

First highlight point, no hard feeling bro, please respect people. You should act like an adult instead of finding opportunity to insult/humiliate people. Preve use small turbo, but not premitive. Again, I'm not even taking about your theory right or wrong yet, if you speak mandarin this is called 没口德 .

I must give you small credit that insisted torque chart is not fixed, but you don't know why. First let me repeat, on full wide open throttle, it is exactly like the torque chart of the modern small turbo with near flat torque like many others provided. On cruising constant speed, light throttle, it has barely boost even let say I'm cursing 140kph at 3000rpm. This is because boost level is not the function of rpm, it is directly proportional to the throttle position. Don't say I'm bias, I give you credit here, you are right that torque is not constant, when I'm on light throttle. I'm fair right? Right I said you are right.

Not fixed, but not for the reason you think. The example you quoted in second highlight is not how the modern small turbo works. On the heavily modified stage 3/stage 4 that strike for max horsepower, maybe. Not the small turbo. Let's say the torque chart put 250nm from 2000rpm - 5000rpm, and boost is 0.8 bar.

Case 1) I accelerate at wide open throttle from idling, it slowly increase from idling until it hit 0.8 bar, and wastegate started to control the boost at 0.8bar until 5000rpm. Flat, that't why it is flat. Our stock engine is not designed to withstand the keep increasing pressure.

Case 2) I'm cruising constant speed at 3000rpm, very light throttle at top gear, barely boost at all. Suddenly Civic TCP cucuk me, I floor my throttle and guess what? Turbo lag!!! Take time to reach 0.8 bar Please lah, this place have a lot of professional modder, racer here, you simply call people Ah Beng. Can you be respective or not?

One thing you absolutely right, I tested in a real turbo car. I own a failed Korean Hyundai Elantra Sport with basic primitive 1.6 T-GDI. Oh ya, not all twinscroll/VGT must be small turbo and not all small must be twinscroll/VGT, tell me what what turbo installed on the Civic 1.5 TCP? I'm sure you know.

If you kind enough to finish this video, it matches exactly the case 2 I described. Ok lah, I'm Google from "unverified" source, you can call me liar.

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If you're still referring to turbo gauge, don't tell me that you don't know that when decelerate and accelerate, the meter reading varies depend on how you control the pedal. The ony best way to test few different cars with turbo is from idle rpm all the way up, at least the reading is always around that range. If your car at 3000rpm, the pressure in exhaust manifold is already high enough to spin the impeller, you floor pedal from there will give you acceleration.

As for this part:
"If new generation small turbocharger like VGT or Twinscroll, the y could operate from low end thanks to retracted impeller able to boost 0.3 at 1500rpm, 0.5 at 1800rpm, 1.0 at 2100rpm, 1.3 at 3000rpm, 1.5 at 5000rpm. "
>>> I'm surprised you haven't notice it was taken from the Elantra sport that you always said wanted to buy. I can post the reading so fast because my buddies with Japanese companies just completed evaluation not long ago, still fresh on my mind. Are you trying to say preve primitive turbo is no different from your Elantra sport VGT.

Most saloon cars that come with turbo are meant for torque and FC, so they are fitted with small turbo either VGT or twinscroll to reduce lag. Only if you are rich, then could get BMW or equivalent that comes with combination of small and large turbo. I never mentioned only small turbo advanced, only thing is cars that most could afford don't have large advanced turbo in luxury cars.

Fyi, modshop owners find the turbocharged Veloster, Koup, Elantra as threat to their business. If these Korean turbocharged are sold at healthy volume with poor resale value, people like Kenny will suffer badly. Imagine there are many cheap 2nd hand Korean 1.6T and 2.0T sold cheap at 40k, no 1 will bother to modify their NA cars with turbo already. I'm surprise the modshop guys still haven't notice. Civic turbo, they are less afraid because of strong resale value, few years still expensive. Modshop guys will always hope for low sales volume, people like Kenny will soon change their mind and attack Korean turbo cars when they realise this.

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post Aug 8 2017, 12:12 AM

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QUOTE(dares @ Aug 6 2017, 08:55 PM)
hahahahaha primitive turbocharger.
In case you have never heard of the Borgwarner KP39 turbocharger unit, it is currently used in Ford's 3 consecutive International Engine of the Year award recipient, the 1.0l ecoboost.

It is also used in the 1.6l ecoboost engine found in the Fiesta ST, which churns out up to 200hp from the 1.6l 4 pot mill.

and coincidentally.....both use timing belt!!  laugh.gif  laugh.gif  I guess Ford engineers also not as good as you!

Primitive lol....You really know nothing....
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Ford ecoboost use twinscroll turbocharger from Borgwarner. The preve turbo cannot compare, totally outclassed and outperformed.

Have you checked the price of Ford ecoboost timing belt? They are far more expensive than standard timing belt. You know this is part of the reason that driven people away from Ford? In fact Ford keeps repeating past mistakes again and again that dragged themselves down. Winning Ward doesn't mean it wins practicality.

Like Nissan VQ V6 engine, it won award with Ward's best engine but in reality, you can see how fuel guzzling the Cefiro and early Teana were, yet getting weaker to torque than Camry and Accord 2.4L. Most humiliating was the Cefiro and Teana lost 0-100kmh against Camry and Accord.
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QUOTE(constant_weight @ Aug 7 2017, 10:37 AM)
My car has BorgWarner K03. From same company, so I have primitive turbo also. So sad.

https://www.borgwarner.com/en/news-media/pr...urbo-gdi-engine
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Samsung has high end expensive S7 and at the same time, they have the really cheap and lousy J1 to cater for poorer level group. Same case with Borgwarner, they have the advanced state of the art twinscroll, VGT and at the same time, they do sell the cheap primitive turbo.

Yes, like Samsung J1, Borgwarner and other manufacturers do offer cheap primitive turbo to cater for people from modshop. They buy the primitive cheap turbo because it's cheap and also, they don't have the ability to install advanced turbo that requires really high electronic and physics engineering skill in order to make them works.

If preve fitted with Borgwarner, that is like Samsung J1. Wonder why you treat your Elantra sport so low class saying it has same ability as Preve turbo and not advanced like what I said?
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post Aug 8 2017, 01:32 AM

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QUOTE(jayraptor @ Aug 8 2017, 12:12 AM)
Ford ecoboost use twinscroll turbocharger from Borgwarner. The preve turbo cannot compare, totally outclassed and outperformed.

Have you checked the price of Ford ecoboost timing belt? They are far more expensive than standard timing belt. You know this is part of the reason that driven people away from Ford? In fact Ford keeps repeating past mistakes again and again that dragged themselves down. Winning Ward doesn't mean it wins practicality.

Like Nissan VQ V6 engine, it won award with Ward's best engine but in reality, you can see how fuel guzzling the Cefiro and early Teana were, yet getting weaker to torque than Camry and Accord 2.4L. Most humiliating was the Cefiro and Teana lost 0-100kmh against Camry and Accord.
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Already posted the exact turbocharger for you to see, still mau pusing. Pls do yourself a favour and stop digging that hole you are in.

https://www.autoevolution.com/news/ford-eco...ined-56142.html
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The 1.6-liter EcoBoost actually displaces 1.597cc. It usually makes 150 PS thanks to direct injection and a Borg Warner KP39 low inertia turbo, cast iron with 47mm-diameter crankpins, eight counterweights, five 52mm-diameter main bearings and damped front pulley and seven-hole high pressure injectors from Bosh. It makes 160 PS and 270 Nm at 1,600rpm for the 2010-present Mondeo and S-MAX.

The 180 PS high performance version is used by the European Fiesta ST, as well as the Kuga/Escape SUV and 2013 Fusion Sedan. The most extreme road application is in the 197 hp (200 PS) 2014 Fiesta ST for the American market.
What Ward's best engine? that is for the US market only. We are talking about International Engine of The Year.

Yes, 58 judges from all over the world in the International Engine of The Year judging panel is not as smart as one person like you, awarding the same engine the award for 3 years in a row. In fact the 1.0 Ecoboost is still dominating the sub-1.0l category until now.

In case you don't know what is International Engine of The Year

https://www.ukimediaevents.com/engineoftheyear/

Not only don't know anything, but in deep denial and continue to make up fairytales to cover up your ignorance and incompetence.

Master strategist konon. No wonder Honda sunk to the bottom of JDpower's customer satisfaction rating.

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post Aug 8 2017, 02:37 AM

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tido la dares. so active at this hour. tomorrow no need to work ka?
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post Aug 8 2017, 02:56 AM

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QUOTE(Vervain @ Aug 8 2017, 02:37 AM)
tido la dares. so active at this hour. tomorrow no need to work ka?
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This is my working hour biggrin.gif what about u

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post Aug 8 2017, 06:30 AM

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QUOTE(dares @ Aug 8 2017, 02:56 AM)
This is my working hour  biggrin.gif what about u
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Salesman midnight shift ka?

The bodoh still on denial mode..
He didnt know u trying to tell him vq20det is the first vvti.. Bodohnya
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post Aug 8 2017, 06:43 AM

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QUOTE(jayraptor @ Aug 7 2017, 11:52 PM)
As for this part:
"If new generation small turbocharger like VGT or Twinscroll, the y could operate from low end thanks to retracted impeller able to boost 0.3 at 1500rpm, 0.5 at 1800rpm, 1.0 at 2100rpm, 1.3 at 3000rpm, 1.5 at 5000rpm. "
>>> I'm surprised you haven't notice it was taken from the Elantra sport that you always said wanted to buy. I can post the reading so fast because my buddies with Japanese companies just completed evaluation not long ago, still fresh on my mind. Are you trying to say preve primitive turbo is no different from your Elantra sport VGT.

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Bro, you haven't teach me lel. What turbo installed in Civic 1.5T hah? Don't forget bro.

Whoa, your Japanese strategist friend also Ah Beng, so fast mod the Elantra Sport already. First modded Elantra Sport in Malaysia man.

Stock ES boost to 10-13 psi only and cap this boost flat 1500 to 4500rpm. Wah, your Ah Beng Japanese strategist friends boost all the way to 1.5bar which is over 21psi. Somemore continuously to raise until 5000rpm. This is a monster man, how much power it made? I would have guess 280-300 mark with such high boost. At least 250 on the wheel when dyno like that. How much is the VGT and from which aftermarket brand? Response better than then stock BorgWarner K03 twinscroll? What other mod? Where they do ECU remap? Big gulp cold intake? High flow cat converter?

Wah, SD really should have hire your friend, really put money to mod competitors' car. Kudos to your Ah Beng Japanese strategist.

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QUOTE(constant_weight @ Aug 8 2017, 06:43 AM)
Bro, you haven't teach me lel. What turbo installed in Civic 1.5T hah? Don't forget bro.

Whoa, your Japanese strategist friend also Ah Beng, so fast mod the Elantra Sport already. First modded Elantra Sport in Malaysia man.

Stock ES boost to 10-13 psi only and cap this boost flat 1500 to 4500rpm. Wah, your Ah Beng Japanese strategist friends boost all the way to 1.5bar which is over 21psi. Somemore continuously to raise until 5000rpm. This is a monster man, how much power it made? I would have guess 280-300 mark with such high boost. At least 250 on the wheel when dyno like that. How much is the VGT and from which aftermarket brand? Response better than then stock BorgWarner K03 twinscroll? What other mod? Where they do ECU remap? Big gulp cold intake? High flow cat converter?

Wah, SD really should have hire your friend, really put money to mod competitors' car. Kudos to your Ah Beng Japanese strategist.
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But but but... His fren car mod like that resale value gg wor... whistling.gif
Fc also gg wor.
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QUOTE(K3nnYkl82 @ Aug 8 2017, 06:45 AM)
But but but... His fren car mod like that resale value gg wor... whistling.gif
Fc also gg wor.
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Strategist pay over 6k, can afford one lah. Sap sap water.

We all misunderstand him already. He call us ah beng because he salute us.

Since he put us same category as his Ah Beng Japanese King Strategist.
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QUOTE(jayraptor @ Aug 7 2017, 11:52 PM)
As for this part:
"If new generation small turbocharger like VGT or Twinscroll, the y could operate from low end thanks to retracted impeller able to boost 0.3 at 1500rpm, 0.5 at 1800rpm, 1.0 at 2100rpm, 1.3 at 3000rpm, 1.5 at 5000rpm. "
>>> I'm surprised you haven't notice it was taken from the Elantra sport that you always said wanted to buy. I can post the reading so fast because my buddies with Japanese companies just completed evaluation not long ago, still fresh on my mind. Are you trying to say preve primitive turbo is no different from your Elantra sport VGT.

Most saloon cars that come with turbo are meant for torque and FC, so they are fitted with small turbo either VGT or twinscroll to reduce lag. Only if you are rich, then could get BMW or equivalent that comes with combination of small and large turbo. I never mentioned only small turbo advanced, only thing is cars that most could afford don't have large advanced turbo in luxury cars.

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Wei.....slapping your self again strategist master with vast internal knowledge and extensive connection inside car industry...bila elantra sport in pakai VGT?

There are only a handful of petrol engined cars' turbochargers that uses VGT type.

Again, please fact check before you post. Most of BMW's lower ranged engine, even though turbocharged are mostly single turbocharger and twinscroll type. You actually fall flat with their "twinpower turbo" tagline??

QUOTE(jayraptor @ Aug 8 2017, 12:12 AM)
Ford ecoboost use twinscroll turbocharger from Borgwarner. The preve turbo cannot compare, totally outclassed and outperformed.

Have you checked the price of Ford ecoboost timing belt? They are far more expensive than standard timing belt. You know this is part of the reason that driven people away from Ford? In fact Ford keeps repeating past mistakes again and again that dragged themselves down. Winning Ward doesn't mean it wins practicality.

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There is no such thing as outclass or primitive turbocharger, it is the selection criteria by the car makes to optimise their performance and cost range.

Timing belt mechanism is fundamentally similar, just how durable before they snap. And no, when it ages, it won't slip.

QUOTE(jayraptor @ Aug 8 2017, 12:22 AM)
Samsung has high end expensive S7 and at the same time, they have the really cheap and lousy J1 to cater for poorer level group. Same case with Borgwarner, they have the advanced state of the art twinscroll, VGT and at the same time, they do sell the cheap primitive turbo.

Yes, like Samsung J1, Borgwarner and other manufacturers do offer cheap primitive turbo to cater for people from modshop. They buy the primitive cheap turbo because it's cheap and also, they don't have the ability to install advanced turbo that requires really high electronic and physics engineering skill in order to make them works.

If preve fitted with Borgwarner, that is like Samsung J1. Wonder why you treat your Elantra sport so low class saying it has same ability as Preve turbo and not advanced like what I said?
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You don't even understand what you are saying and you now memperbodohkan and memperendahkan those turbocharger engineers. Eh....they also have quality standards to meet la....you tau apa TS 16949?? There are no low quality turbochargers, but there are ranges for lower power requirements.

All modshop that get properly sourced turbochargers are of good operational quality. If you say they anyhow recondition/refurbish the turbocharger, this comment can accept; if you say they simply recommend, this also have some level of acceptability. If modshop know how to select and have the cash, they can choose anything in the aftermarket range.

You drop S7 and J1 on the floor, both also can still function after that. The fundamentals will always remain working despite lower range products. Get your understanding right.

I know you won't read, but for those who are actually curious how turbochargers are internally tested :
http://www.motoiq.com/MagazineArticles/ID/...ontainment.aspx

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