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 FundSuperMart v18 (FSM) MY : Online UT Platform, UT DIY : Babystep to Investing :D

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Nemozai
post Feb 22 2017, 05:45 PM

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QUOTE(xuzen @ Feb 22 2017, 02:54 PM)
FSM participants are mostly kiam siap kwee (cheapskate). The money we save can be used to buy booze,  yamcha, tok-kok & blow water.  thumbup.gif

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QUOTE(Avangelice @ Feb 22 2017, 03:06 PM)
and don't forget for cheong sessions for some. lol
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Both sifus, can I know your personal finance general portfolio? Not only UT, I mean how many % in KLSE, how many % in UT, how many % in FD or etc.

Hope to learn a thing or two from you, thank you rclxms.gif
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post Feb 23 2017, 05:51 PM

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QUOTE(Avangelice @ Feb 22 2017, 05:56 PM)
there's no set rule. some people really believe in FD they place whatever they have in FD in multiple certificates that mature at different months, others find the thrill of stock trading, others like us find it convenient to buy into fsm where as others love their cimb bank RM that they pay extra service for the special feeling

think about it this way,as long as are learning each day to be better than what you are yesterday and make every day count is the best investment that one can make.
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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Feb 22 2017, 06:14 PM)
Not sifu. But let me share with you my story. Used to be 100% promo FD, then move 30% into Amanah saham fixed price. Was planning to move 100%. Found out about FSM so decide to divert the remaining 70% into FSM. Got as far as 30% then realise RM is dropping like dead flies against all currency. Switch my remaining 40% into SGD for SGX. Will move out my FSM portion to Singapore UT. Additionally 10% from amanah saham each into SGX and Singapore UT.

Reason for moving
1) I am trying to make sure inflation don't eat into my money
2) Protect my RM from continuous and futrue decline.

No point earning 5-7% (dividends) in KLSE and see your RM depreciate. Better earn 5-7% (dividends) in SGX and have your value protected. Same with UT. No point earning 10% in MY when you can earned the same 10% in SG.

As you can see it's not fixed. Up to individual prefences and need.
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QUOTE(xuzen @ Feb 22 2017, 06:15 PM)
100% in UTF.

0% in KLSE

0% in FD.

Many are confused with UTF, thinking that UTF is another asset class. To me UTF is a tool, a vault or a purse to hold my assets. UTF is not an asset class.

For example, if I want to hold cash or FD in normal everyday lingo, then I would participate in Money Market Fund.

For example, if I want to hold common stocks in KLSE, then I would participate in Kenanga Growth Fund.

For example, if I want to expose myself to US stock market, then I would participate in Manulife US Equity.

For example, if I want to collect rental from properties, then I would participate in AmReits.

Etc etc etc....

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QUOTE(T231H @ Feb 22 2017, 06:40 PM)
So from the responded postings......you will see the answers to your post is just individuals preference
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Thanks for sharing your insights notworthy.gif

Ramjade You are sifus to me as well! icon_rolleyes.gif

Will continue to learn from you all. notworthy.gif

Side note: xuzen From what I researched, Maybank GIA-i provide higher returns(little bit) than Money Market Fund and same level of liquidity as Money Market Fund, what do you think about this?

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post Feb 23 2017, 06:31 PM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Feb 23 2017, 06:00 PM)
Some here use CMF because they say is convenient. For me I choose eGIA-i.

My emergency cash is parked in eGIA-i. Reason for choosing eGIA-i over CMF
(i) higher return when compared to CMF at extra 0.2-0.3% difference
(ii) instant liquidity when compared to CMF. With CMF need to wait 2 days for the money to come back into your account.
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Exactly my thoughts. Thank you notworthy.gif
Nemozai
post Feb 23 2017, 09:13 PM

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Hi everyone,

Newbie questions. When I look through the Fund Ranking by FSM. This is the results.

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Under 1 years returns, I see that certain funds offer 40++% returns.
This seems unrealistic to me blink.gif Or this is how it is supposed to be? rclxms.gif (I don't know, need your advice)

Can I assume that this is due to the facts that these funds had just launched and this is the results of volatility?


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post Mar 3 2017, 02:31 PM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Mar 3 2017, 01:36 PM)
10 lots tenaga = RM13580 blink.gif  shocking.gif
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What is the tenaga mentioned here?? I'm newbie notworthy.gif
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post Mar 3 2017, 02:45 PM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Mar 3 2017, 02:37 PM)
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Hahaha biggrin.gif

I mean how to buy that tenaga lot notworthy.gif
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post Mar 3 2017, 05:32 PM

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QUOTE(kkk8787 @ Mar 3 2017, 05:26 PM)
After on average 3 years , got the attached photo profit percentage.
Im thinking of taking advantage of weakening ringgit to cash out and gain profit. Shall I cash out on the foreign investment in my portfolios. Any of it I shall cash out from now?
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What is the deep meaning behind your signature? Can share? hmm.gif
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post Mar 7 2017, 11:57 AM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Mar 7 2017, 09:18 AM)
Forget about me tavelling. That's my choice.

The topic is what are you guys going to do if they remove the sales charge and start charging platform fees. Keep in mind that's how FSM SG started. First 2% SC, then insurance, start cutting SC, then implementing platform fees for everything.

You do know that many companies in the world moves away from one time charge to anmual charge? (microsoft, Adobe)

Up to you guys. You guys prefer to give free money to FSM every year, be my guest. I will not pay them platform fees if I can help it. Platform fees might be negligible but it's still cost and cost adds up over time. Like a drop of water can fill a pail over night. Maybe FSM MY should do away with service charge and start implementing platform fees for all funds? That's a nice idea. Recurrent annual income. Don't need to do anything, sit back get money from your customers. Guaranteed cash flow annually. hmm.gif hmm.gif
FSM charge you 2% for equities. 0% for bond but they have platform fees of 0.04% per quarter which this few pages have been about.

Some say platform fees of 0.2% is negligible but up to you. For me, 0.2% is still profit over time.

We malaysians don't have access to low cost index fund. Only choose low cost index fund if available funds cannot beat the index. Otherwise, choose funds which can beat the index.
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Where to check the index?
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post Mar 7 2017, 12:27 PM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Mar 7 2017, 12:06 PM)
What index fund you are looking for? All ETFs are traded on exchange. Depending on what ETF are you looking at and in what currency, you can check them out via Google finance/Yahoo finance.

You can try Bloomberg if you want to see the index.
Eg. MSCI AC Asia Pacific Index

For ETFs, just google the ETF.
Eg iShares MSCI Pacific ex Japan ETF (this is the one is traded in the US which will cost 30% tax on withholding dividend)
Eg iShares MSCI Pacific ex-Japan UCITS ETF (this one is traded in the UK which with only 15% withholding tax)
xuzen, puchongite the savings is actually higher. I am being too humble  devil.gif The savings is about x% (single digit) for each trip. And no I don't go down there just to avoid platform fees. There's totally wasting time and money devil.gif If you have the choice between not paying platform fee and service charge vs paying for platform fees and not the service charge, why choose the latter.
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What is the definition of beating the index?

Based on the MSCI AC Asia Pacific Index, if in 2008, my portfolio is -30%, do i still consider beating the market?

And how about Malaysia Index, where can we check that so that we can compare it to Asia Pacific Index?

Thanks notworthy.gif

Edited: Found Malaysia Index already. Thanks again. laugh.gif

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post Mar 7 2017, 12:48 PM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Mar 7 2017, 12:39 PM)
Eg of beating the index
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Eg of not beating the index
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For Malaysia (Taken from Bursa Saham)
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I see. It depend on geographic location of the fund and what is the benchmark. Thank you very much biggrin.gif

So for example I invest in Bursa Malaysia, beating the index will be beating FBMKLCI ?
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post Mar 7 2017, 03:26 PM

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QUOTE(woonsc @ Mar 7 2017, 03:14 PM)
cry.gif actually, my parents got to know this gov allocation that gives an incentive for youth..
that's why I got into it the first place..

cry.gif my 20 birthday was in June 2015..
innocent.gif invested in Febuary..

Got to know that I must pass my birthday itself to be eligible and not the year when you turn 20..  ranting.gif  ranting.gif
so i have 2k in prs  ranting.gif  ranting.gif

bruce.gif When I earn some money from the real world, then I will use PRS to reduce my Tax  brows.gif
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How to be eligible to get the RM 1000 incentive? Can use FSM purchase the PRS fund? PRS fund can buy even I'm still a student (not working)? Then how they know I purchased already?
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post Mar 7 2017, 03:34 PM

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QUOTE(woonsc @ Mar 7 2017, 03:30 PM)
YES! PRS

rclxms.gif U are lucky Gov increased the allocation. I got only Rm500..

I am a student too! PAMA scholarship now..
What I did was buy from FSM,
1 PRS Fund for RM1000, can't RM 500 for 2 PRS fund..

After it got through, I chat with FSM online, they help me apply to my fundhouse..
Then happily wait for your Free 100% ROI investment..  rclxm9.gif
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Omg thank you biggrin.gif

So now I straight away buy RM1000any PRS fund then ask FSM to help can already? No need PPA account or PRS account whatsoever right? laugh.gif
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post Mar 7 2017, 03:51 PM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Mar 7 2017, 03:38 PM)
Actually you need to apply all that from FSM  laugh.gif
There's good fund like Cimb Asia Pacific PRS which feeds directly into Ponzi 2
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QUOTE(woonsc @ Mar 7 2017, 03:41 PM)
biggrin.gif  yeah.. that's what I did..
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You guys mean this ?
CIMB-Principal PRS Plus Asia Pacific Ex Japan Equity
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post Mar 8 2017, 12:35 AM

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Based on the 3 year annualised return of CIMB PRS Asia Pacific Class C - 12.75%

If one really put RM 3000 (RM250 per month) every year inside since 25 years old, by 55 years old, you will get RM 895k when you finally can withdraw.

Disclaimer: Past performance do not indicate future performance and you have to live until 55 yo rclxms.gif

Attractive? Not counting the tax relief you get too. Correct me if I''m wrong notworthy.gif

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post Mar 10 2017, 08:06 PM

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QUOTE(puchongite @ Mar 10 2017, 04:59 PM)
Amasia reits hasn't updated the price yet. Maybe it drops more.  sweat.gif
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QUOTE(Avangelice @ Mar 10 2017, 05:13 PM)
So what now if I hold AmAsia Reit? Ride along or sell?
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post Mar 12 2017, 06:22 PM

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Is there any fixed income fund that outperform Affin Hwang Select Bond Fund (MYR)? console.gif
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post Mar 12 2017, 06:45 PM

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QUOTE(AIYH @ Mar 12 2017, 06:33 PM)
Define outperform.

If you want a slightly riskier but much higher return, united asian high yield bond fund

You may also consider reits as an alternative to bonds, such as selina fund and manulife reit
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Lower or same risk and volatility as Affin Hwang Select Bond Fund but with higher return. Any? hmm.gif notworthy.gif

Edit: Risk level around something like Affin Hwang Select Bond Fund or Libra Asnita Bond Fund.

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post Mar 13 2017, 11:10 AM

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GF want higher rate than FD, I ask her sai lang to Affin Hwang Select Bond Fund, is it okay? No need customize also like Fundsupermart right ? Feel other funds just dragging Esther down. cool2.gif

Can I know what can happen to fixed income fund during market reset or big financial crisis (like the one during 2008)? I saw Esther's fund in 2008 doesn't sink much. hmm.gif

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post Mar 13 2017, 11:21 AM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Mar 13 2017, 11:17 AM)
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2008 nothing much. You should be more aware about increase in interest rate as shwon in the Nov sell off
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Thanks Ramjade rclxms.gif What interest rate you mean specifically ?

Sorry icon_question.gif
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post Mar 16 2017, 12:22 PM

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Missed last month Ponzi 1.0 promo, now emo like hell, got 0 unit doh.gif ranting.gif

Holding stupid selina and kapchai bruce.gif bangwall.gif

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