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post Mar 9 2018, 08:49 PM

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QUOTE(i1899 @ Mar 9 2018, 06:05 PM)

Invest in stock/UT using money that u won't need for at least 2-3 years.
If that money can stay inside market for at least 1 full cycle (10 years) is the best lah.


The important point here is not how long is the full stock market cycle, but the main point here is that stay LONGER in market for AT LEAST the WHOLE cycle.
Anyway, historically, stock market's crash* MOSTLY happens every 10 years***.

* In economic terminology (i studied Engineering, info below are from my side readings),
- crash :>20% drops in relatively short period (around 1 week).
- bearish/recession : >20% drops from the peak, and stays for > 2months
- correction: 10% to 20% drops from the recent peak.

*** Recent market crash events:
- 2008 Global Financial Crisis
- 1997 Asian Financial Crisis
- 1987 October 19: Black Monday
Don't misunderstand...

In long term, market performs as big up-trending sinusoidal wave.

The reason to stay LONGER in market for AT LEAST the WHOLE cycle is:
- if u bought near peak, u can sell near the NEXT peak which u will have chance to meet if stay in the whole cycle. Imagine the up-trending sinusoidal wave....
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I see, glad that the money used for this is just excess that not needed anytime soon biggrin.gif
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post Mar 9 2018, 09:20 PM

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QUOTE(Ancient-XinG- @ Mar 9 2018, 04:46 PM)
now you know why I so frustrated le.

every Q charge some more.
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The performance of managed portfolio is not guaranteed, so not need to get angry when it does not perform.

The charges of managed portfolio is black and white written when you bought, so not need to get angry when paying.

But, IF "MoM ROI" reported in the official monthly factsheet is not the real one, or had been modified to lure more investor or to keep existing investor inside the game , then it is quite serious problem... u should get frustrated and get an explanation from them.

MA: reported -0.5% vs real -1.8%
Agg: reported -0.9% vs real -2.1%

not understand..





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post Mar 9 2018, 09:29 PM

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QUOTE(i1899 @ Mar 9 2018, 06:05 PM)

Invest in stock/UT using money that u won't need for at least 2-3 years.
If that money can stay inside market for at least 1 full cycle (10 years) is the best lah.


The important point here is not how long is the full stock market cycle, but the main point here is that stay LONGER in market for AT LEAST the WHOLE cycle.
Anyway, historically, stock market's crash* MOSTLY happens every 10 years***.

* In economic terminology (i studied Engineering, info below are from my side readings),
- crash :>20% drops in relatively short period (around 1 week).
- bearish/recession : >20% drops from the peak, and stays for > 2months
- correction: 10% to 20% drops from the recent peak.

*** Recent market crash events:
- 2008 Global Financial Crisis
- 1997 Asian Financial Crisis
- 1987 October 19: Black Monday
Don't misunderstand...

In long term, market performs as big up-trending sinusoidal wave.

The reason to stay LONGER in market for AT LEAST the WHOLE cycle is:
- if u bought near peak, u can sell near the NEXT peak which u will have chance to meet if stay in the whole cycle. Imagine the up-trending sinusoidal wave....
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Unless you sell at buying price tongue.gif
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post Mar 9 2018, 09:46 PM

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QUOTE(i1899 @ Mar 9 2018, 09:20 PM)
The performance of managed portfolio is not guaranteed, so not need to get angry when it does not perform.

The charges of managed portfolio is black and white written when you bought, so not need to get angry when paying.

But, IF "MoM ROI" reported in the official monthly factsheet is not the real one, or had been modified to lure more investor or to keep existing investor inside the game , then it is quite serious problem... u should get frustrated and get an explanation from them.

MA:  reported -0.5% vs real -1.8%
Agg: reported -0.9% vs real -2.1%

not understand..
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Did any facing this problem?
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post Mar 10 2018, 08:01 AM

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QUOTE(i1899 @ Mar 9 2018, 09:20 PM)
The performance of managed portfolio is not guaranteed, so not need to get angry when it does not perform.

The charges of managed portfolio is black and white written when you bought, so not need to get angry when paying.

But, IF "MoM ROI" reported in the official monthly factsheet is not the real one, or had been modified to lure more investor or to keep existing investor inside the game , then it is quite serious problem... u should get frustrated and get an explanation from them.

MA:  reported -0.5% vs real -1.8%
Agg: reported -0.9% vs real -2.1%

not understand..
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they aren't honest. I see the month to statement also I boil. say like themselves so saint. only .9 even market bear

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post Mar 10 2018, 10:15 AM

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QUOTE(Ancient-XinG- @ Mar 10 2018, 08:01 AM)
they aren't honest. I see the month to statement also I boil. say like themselves so saint. only .9 even market bear
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Mean actually profit ain't same with the statement or less on the statement?
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post Mar 10 2018, 10:22 AM

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QUOTE(i1899 @ Mar 9 2018, 04:44 PM)
i am not understand what u were trying to clarrify?

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The -0.9% is 1 month ROI intable above.
Everyone knows 1M ROI is respect to previous month (31 Jan), not to the original portfolio value.
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That statement is dated 8th March.

The "1 month" is referring to Feb 2018.

calm down and re-calculate see if is still wrong

This post has been edited by rapple: Mar 10 2018, 10:30 AM
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post Mar 10 2018, 10:23 AM

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QUOTE(Ancient-XinG- @ Mar 10 2018, 08:01 AM)
they aren't honest. I see the month to statement also I boil. say like themselves so saint. only .9 even market bear
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You do know from statement date to real report, there's a lagging period right?
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post Mar 10 2018, 11:15 AM

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it is stated clearly in the factsheet that data used is up till 28 February 2018. although the released date is 8 of march. New investor please do take notes of this discrepancy in the MoM RoI before u signed up.
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QUOTE(Cactus89 @ Mar 10 2018, 11:15 AM)
it is stated clearly in the factsheet that data used is up till 28 February 2018. although the released date is 8 of march. New investor please do take notes of this discrepancy in the MoM RoI before u signed up.
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Only MOM data?.....what abt others like...since inception roi data?
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post Mar 10 2018, 11:50 AM

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since inception data is there as well. not really sure the accuracy of the YTD data. But for February it is wrong.. Anyway it doesn't really matter to me, the error cant recover any losses that have occurred to the managed port
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hi guys..

wanna ask i got a 1% referrel token, anyhow how do i maximize this 1% token ?
eg getting most value out of it ?
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QUOTE(JinXXX @ Mar 10 2018, 12:28 PM)
hi guys..

wanna ask i got a 1% referrel token, anyhow how do i maximize this 1% token ?
eg getting most value out of it ?
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hmm.gif how to max the value?
invest in largest amount at 1 go into the fund(s) that you wanted to have in your port that has lost then most % recently, and that are still fundamentally good as example that has FSM highest star rating and most importantly the fund(s) mandated investment area(s) are within your likings.... biggrin.gif
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post Mar 10 2018, 02:47 PM

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QUOTE(rapple @ Mar 10 2018, 10:22 AM)
That statement is dated 8th March.

The "1 month" is referring to Feb 2018.

calm down and re-calculate see if is still wrong
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I am sure that they did the calculation wrong, reported the misleading/wrong "MoM ROI" and "ROI since reception" in their "monthly factsheet" (not monthly statement, as i am not investing to their managed portfolio & did not receive it).
Now, i just want to know it is a problem of ability of calculation or problem of integrity.

QUOTE(Ramjade @ Mar 10 2018, 10:23 AM)
You do know from statement date to real report,  there's a lagging period right?
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What's related to statement date?
In any February MONTHLY factsheet, MoM ROI is calculated from 01 Feb to 28 Feb 18.
It is common sense, everyone should know before step into investment. If dont know, better go back to school. dry.gif


QUOTE(Cactus89 @ Mar 10 2018, 11:15 AM)
it is stated clearly in the factsheet that data used is up till 28 February 2018. although the released date is 8 of march. New investor please do take notes of this discrepancy in the MoM RoI before u signed up.
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Precisely.

QUOTE(yklooi @ Mar 10 2018, 11:23 AM)
Only MOM data?.....what abt others like...since inception roi data?
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Since inception roi and YTD are wrong as well.


Beware and happy investing.

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post Mar 10 2018, 06:16 PM

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QUOTE(MUM @ Mar 10 2018, 12:37 PM)
hmm.gif how to max the value?
invest in largest amount at 1 go into the fund(s) that you wanted to have in your port that has lost then most % recently, and that are still fundamentally good as example that has FSM highest star rating and most importantly the fund(s) mandated investment area(s) are within your likings.... biggrin.gif
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but now FSM having promo 0.8% for those major funds for march 2018.. which i already have..

so not so sure what is the "benefit" of the 1%... or how to make the most out of it...
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QUOTE(JinXXX @ Mar 10 2018, 06:16 PM)
but now FSM having promo 0.8% for those major funds for march 2018.. which i already have..

so not so sure what is the "benefit" of the 1%... or how to make the most out of it...
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good to know that you had some core funds already....
how about supplementary funds for your portfolio...like India, Japan and tech focused funds or Global funds?
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post Mar 11 2018, 10:53 AM

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QUOTE(MUM @ Mar 10 2018, 06:47 PM)
good to know that you had some core funds already....
how about supplementary funds for your portfolio...like India, Japan and tech focused funds or Global funds?
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about that, is there any biotech focus funds on FSM ? dont recall seeing any biotech funds
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QUOTE(JinXXX @ Mar 11 2018, 10:53 AM)
about that, is there any biotech focus funds on FSM ? dont recall seeing any biotech funds
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yes, you are right...I don't recall having rad FSM have bio tech focused fund.....

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post Mar 12 2018, 11:39 AM

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DJI have up >1% for two days straight..
It's gonna be green for my diy 😁

It's Abit weird that still no move from China regarding Trump tariff on steel and aluminum 🤔
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Sold at the wrong time. After selling everything went up so fast....

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