Here is a comment from one site
"In my point of view, simply the pricing strategy could have made a huge difference in this circumstance. How about 310 MSRP for the 9700x instead of 360 ? That price alone combine with the power efficiency would be a home run swing.
If they released the 9800x or 9900x first, price would not be as important as power efficiency or IPC gain. But the 9600x and 9700x are meant to be for the vast entry users so they will definitely compare the prices with all the offers for 7000 series first."

And with PBO max? Here you go



A big FAT 1.1% !!!!



consider it as a slightly better 7700X? If 9600X pricing gap with 7600X is anything to go by



You will do your wallet a favour by going with the real 7700X! Cap it to 65W if you want efficiency, unleash PBO max if you want full speed. But whatever the case at the current price, none of reviewers have said it was "good value" or "go out and buy now" not even the most biased of AMD shill.

And nope i never said absolute best value is 14600KF, its still hobbled by 6Pcores and a bunch of useless Ecores. Best value either 13700K or 7800X3D or 5700X3D whichever camp you subscribe.

PS Best value for LGA1700 platform is to wait for Bartlett with up to 12 deliciously powerful Pcores and zero useless Ecores

This post has been edited by babylon52281: Aug 14 2024, 03:59 PM

The trick to buying AMD now is to buy them 6 months later when AMD does massive price drops making them at least value for money vs Intel.

Seems like you need to have your sarcasm meter fixed.

Seems like AMD fanboy cant accept the facts.

PS if you want give an opinion make sure it is objective with facts. If you want to give a reco, make sure it is unbiased with reasons.

This post has been edited by babylon52281: Aug 15 2024, 12:52 AM

Seems like AMD going down Nvidia route and said fuck gamers...

Well well well, looks like you were not aware of several points that I was trying to get you deduced.
- PBO doesn't magically increase the max boost clock for gaming. AMD PBO user should know about it as this behaviour has been around since the 3000 series. What it does is to relax the power limit so all cores can run at higher speed. It only does negligible change to the FPS chart, and performs well if and only if there is temperature headroom. 7700 will perform the same with 7700X. So you understand it now?
- 7700X is the hardest processor to cool in AM5 with highest base clock in a CCD, so the stock settings is already at the limit. It doesn't matter if you enable PBO or not, it still runs into the temperature limit quickly. There is only negligible gain. You can go ahead with AIO and it won't change the fact. This is also a known pattern from 3000 series (i.e. 3700X-3800X, 5700X-5800X).

** With 280 AIO.
- 7700 costs RM100 cheaper and comes with a nice RGB Wraith Prism cooler, potentially saves you RM250 (150 for PA120) from 7700X.
What do you get?
- Similar gaming performance
- Fancy of multithreading performance? Get a PA120 and enable PBO, you still save RM100.
https://www.techspot.com/review/2602-amd-ry...7600-7700-7900/

So tell me why should I get a 7700X and have it run at 65W or enable PBO to have some imaginary good gains? 7700 can do all these too.


Now do you want to call 7700X a scam? On one hand, you asked people not to get 9700X, but on another side you asked people to get 7700X that has the same situation?


You do aware that 13700K & 7800X3D is RM500 more expensive right? And not everyone buys PC for gaming with RTX4090 and get the massive benefits.

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Here's another drop for you.

It does run faster than 7700, you can't deny it. The price is stupid? Eventually it will replace 7700 after 7700/7700X stock run dry, and the market will tell. There is needless to echo what A says, what B says. Interpret the charts, know where it is good or bad in, end of story. As always, good product at cheap price will drive up demand and land at higher price due to high demand. The same too for badly priced products. It is how the market works. All your rant will become unneeded for when it is decided by market, not solely AMD alone.

P/S : AMD will be changing the TDP to 105W in AGESA 1.2.0.1a Patch A, so looks like they learnt their lesson?

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It is a ordinary CPU to start with, not specific for gaming. There are plenty of factors to consider, but generally go look for something else.

This post has been edited by kingkingyyk: Aug 15 2024, 08:37 AM

indeed
as i read some commends la

some of you needs a Sarcasm meter as well tbh

alright i might going on R5 7500F route then got pockets money change to 9700X / non X

AGESA Checkmate

wccftech aik

feed of trolls with memes

Just go 9700 non-X if it ever exists. There has been always a question mark with AMD's real intention behind releasing non-X and X part, where one can turn one to another with PBO-eco or PBO-enabled.

7500F is a good value buy atm, and likely you need not going to 9000 series in anytime soon unless you absolutely need the extra teeny-tiny bit multithreading performance. or heck, you could even get 7700 and skip 9000 entirely. Just divert the fund to GPU for gaming .

Also... https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-ryzen-5-550...d-in-eec-filing

This post has been edited by kingkingyyk: Aug 15 2024, 11:05 AM

yeah true

but that moment i saw 5500X3D , i guess stick on AM5 lah

for people keen on esport title is yes for them but for me haha ikykwk

2 cent-

This post has been edited by mudkipryan94: Aug 15 2024, 11:29 AM

Not sure how well it age down the road. The low clock could hurt a lot if the game doesn't benefit from the cache.

lots of blue camp trolls there. haha

If PBO is not magic then why bring it up? Again I showed Ryzen has fully tapped out their silicon, there is nothing left in the tank to push for more performance.

7700X isnt a scam as its an unlock Xsku so it has its purpose (for OCing). And at stock out of box it is comparably better in all areas than nonX 7700, even at same 65W it will have a slight better performance or lower temps or require lower voltages than 7700 simple bcoz these Xskus are usually cut from better silicon quality than nonX.

7700X is not scammy but at current prices 9700X defo is SCAM. When you can still buy the predecessor for cheaper why you want to pay AMD more? Price performance is even worse!



You so rich want to donate to a multi billion dollar company is it? Dont do that, not to AMD not to Intel, even if your Elon Musk.

Faster than a 7700? Sure do 3% faster but at 24% price premium. Err what?! And in terms of efficiency per watt its even worse since fanboys been talking about it having better efficiency!



It cant match the nonX 7700 for efficiency or value for money (FPS per dollar), not only its far more expensive it even lacks a box cooler which past 65W Ryzen comes with. That is easily a $20 addition.

It cant match the Xsku 7700X in out of box performance and even fully unleashed PBO does barely much at just 1.1%.

So what is this CPU good for? Oh wait, some said its an "ordinary CPU" so what does ordinary high end CPU buyers use these for? Well general use and Gaming with perhaps productivity applications, but these new CPUS sucks in both criteria vs their predecessors. So whats left their good for?

Ahh Im sure you will trot out their superior AI and AV512 capabilities but its so niche that its technical superiority is moot, outside of specific scientific applications. Come again these are CPU series that AMD are selling to the mass market not for specific usage like Threadripper or Epyc. It has to at least perform overall better than 7000 family.

I didnt say its a bad CPU but it a very poor value one. And just bcoz AMD will soon get rid of the 7000series doesnt change the fact unless it lowers the pricing, and TS/HUB also agrees; "That said, at some point in the future, it's very possible we will be recommending Zen 5 processors, depending on how Intel's Arrow Lake series plays out. What we mean is, we expect at some point in the future the Ryzen 7000 series will be phased out, and Ryzen 9000 parts will drop in price. At that point, sure, they'll be the option on AM5, and at that time, they could very well be the best option.

That still doesn't change the fact that the AM5 platform hasn't seen a good step forward after two years; it just means that Zen 5 will have filtered down to replace Zen 4. Right now, though, you shouldn't even have the 9600X or 9700X on your radar – just get the Zen 4 equivalent, because for desktop work, they're basically the same thing at a much better price."

And yes my reco is the same,
If want a 65W efficient CPU, get 7700
If want a Xsku OCable CPU, get 7700X
9000series at its laucnh MSRP is poor value whatsoever

Im not even going into Sinkclose yet but thats for Intel fanboys to dirty themselves.

Hey, you need to think as a whole, not just because it doesn't offer nice value in gaming and it automatically sucks.
There are people out there who doesn't get the processor for gaming.

Gamers should continuing buying X3D, but whether their budget is suitable to put in X3D or not, that would in another story.
https://www.phoronix.com/review/ryzen-9600x-9700x
There are some really nice gains in Linux. In different point of view, the Zen 5 change inclines heavily to server workloads and that could be explained that the company's decision is shifting to gain more ground in higher valued server market. If you are doing software development, you will appreciate in many cases it is as good as the 12 cores 7900X.

If people want an outright best for gaming CPU, they should get X3D
If they want OEM value for money, or just a work PC CPU, get the nonX
But for middle of the ground users with emphasis on gaming and general work use (you know, the typical user) they should get Xsku
OCers also should get Xsku for obvious reason, its unlocked and has more thermal headroom limit

But with 9000x at 65W TDP, it doesnt make any sense as its headroom would be the same as later nonX 9000. And now there are rumours AMD is backtracking to fix this with new Agesa pushing their TDP back to 105W. So if they could have done that WTF is all this launch about?! Again their trying to milk buyers charging you Xsku prices for nonX CPUs, and later on relaunch XT variants at higher prices to replace the X segment, thereby milking you guys a 2nd round.

You talk about thinking as a whole but bring up linux use, here is how many general linux users stack up in latest Steam survey



What good is this CPU if its great for a 2% use base but crap value for the remaining 96% ? Is AMD only marketing these for such niche application use? That is terrible when compared with the generation before!

PS Mind you pro server users would be looking at Threadripper & Epyc, not these Ryzens. AMD made the mistake of using server uarch for consumer PC.

This post has been edited by babylon52281: Aug 16 2024, 08:59 AM

Wow... how did AMD fumble this hard when there is no competition right now? Even the 99xx part also miserable.

Anyway, Im still waiting for APU from AMD. It does not look like there will be any decent APU from AMD despite them declaring low end GPU is dead. This is why I bought an Intel gaming laptop for my son while I replaced my desktop with Intel N100. It does not look like AMD will make an APU with decent 1080P gaming.

This post has been edited by andrekua2: Aug 16 2024, 09:39 AM

Boy, are you on anxiety or depression? Why are you taking things so personally & negatively? AMD doesn't owe you, any business decision they made now will end up reflected by market and it is their issue. As for as marketing goes, you learnt it hard from past launches from different camps right? AMD was even more rampant way back in Bulldozer launch. Just ignore them and get the figures from different sources on review day, do some brain work on which use case you think it could be helpful and possible to replace you suggestions in mind.

I'm not denying the gaming figures, and why are you taking Steam chart as Linux user amount? Phoronix review was all about server use case, not gaming.
Use the figures here : https://www.enterpriseappstoday.com/stats/l...statistics.html

PS: What defines "pro server" user? I run server operation by professional and personal. There are different considerations when choosing processor. TR & Epyc are not the silver bullet when you need the best single threaded performance. You need to widen up your eyes, not picking a side and shout all over the place it is bad vigorously. Look from different perspective and see if it changes the horizon, otherwise just call it a day and life goes on. Perhaps has little civil discussion on the reason why the result is not up to expectation, etc. Nobody likes to be your emotion garbage bin.

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Won't consider 9700X (9600X erhm... hard to justify) as a flop/must not buy, but a small refresh with little launch tax. Depending on your use case, but generally people will find 7700 a easier choice. 99XX.... there is something to be sorted out, just wait for more follow-ups to come or ignore it, get 79XX and say bye. Adventurous user could get it for research and create dispute.

Likely no APU can fit that since games' expectation grows faster than what hardware side can grow. On AM5 you are limited to memory channel support. Even if AMD provides you a 7700 class chip, it wont even work as good as 7600 due to bottlenecks.

Your best bet would be waiting for mini PC with Strix Halo, that comes up to 40CUs & 256-bit LPDDR5X support, but my gut feeling is it won't be cheap as it is a large monolithic chip.

This post has been edited by kingkingyyk: Aug 16 2024, 10:50 AM

As an iGPU only CPU, the 8700G is very good, technically nothing else matches it

https://www.techspot.com/review/2796-amd-ryzen-8700g/

Which is an odd duck as while its a 7000series based, it can leverage on higher DDR5 EXPO up to 6400MHZ and this shines an even poorer light on 9000series as the "newer" generation defaults back to a max of 6000MHZ. A backwards move.

The only problem with this Gsku is the pricing which if you decide to add on a DGPU later it actually does worse than equivalent priced 7700.

dual GPU is actually good if you play games that does not require full fledge GPU, dGPU will do the job
but setup might be complicated, typical game might not have option to choose gpu, you have to force it by connect the HDMI/DP to mobo in order to use iGP

option to choose GPU only exist on some AAA title iirc.