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post Sep 16 2009, 12:55 AM

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QUOTE(Lacus @ Sep 16 2009, 12:44 AM)
err, can't recall where did i bookmark it sweat.gif just google for it biggrin.gif...
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biggrin.gif nvm lah... I noob in soldering.... laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif
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post Sep 16 2009, 01:19 AM

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QUOTE(168257061 @ Sep 16 2009, 12:55 AM)
biggrin.gif  nvm lah... I noob in soldering....  laugh.gif  laugh.gif  laugh.gif
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Here's a link. If you got any question regarding it, post it here. I have experienced modding SB046X (XtremeMusic, Fatal1ty) and SB0550 (Elite Pro). Here's a pic for SB046X

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post Sep 16 2009, 01:48 AM

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wonder extreme gaming is the same.
SB0460/SB046A.

the surround opAmps... 4 units right.
which one is for stereo hmm.gif
know already. biggrin.gif
thanks for the feed up tongue.gif
need time to do research plus exam is coming soon ... f*** doh.gif

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post Sep 16 2009, 01:54 AM

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if not mistaken, i think xtreme gamer or was it xtreme audio cannot mod since it does not use the x-fi chip or something..
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post Sep 16 2009, 12:11 PM

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QUOTE(Lacus @ Sep 16 2009, 01:54 AM)
if not mistaken, i think xtreme gamer or was it xtreme audio cannot mod  since it does not use the x-fi chip or something..
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XtremeAudio is the one, it don't use X-Fi CA20K DSP, but Audigy SE. The XtremeGamer can be modded, but its nearly impossible to change the opamp on the low profile one because it uses SSIC instead of SOIC, but capacitor can be changed
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post Sep 16 2009, 10:04 PM

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QUOTE(Najmods @ Sep 14 2009, 10:13 PM)
Nah, I don't have much opamp, yes National do send free sample to Malaysia, but you need to pay the shipping fee, unless you have .edu email address
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I think I do have a ".edu" address provided by my uni, but gotta ask my friends how to access it first, never log in before tongue.gif Any opamps you would recommend? Hehe... What about the big fat power filter cap? Looks kinda expensive though.
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post Sep 16 2009, 10:24 PM

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QUOTE(Dreamworks @ Sep 16 2009, 10:04 PM)
I think I do have a ".edu" address provided by my uni, but gotta ask my friends how to access it first, never log in before tongue.gif Any opamps you would recommend? Hehe... What about the big fat power filter cap? Looks kinda expensive though.
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You could try LM4562, LME49720 or LME49723. All of them are nearli identical, on paper at least, the 49723 have slightly worse spec. What I liked the most is LME49720, 2nd is 49723 and lastly 4562 (this is vary)

But for SB046X (XtremeMusic, Fatal1ty, XtremeGamer Fatal1ty) only supplies 5V to the opamp, its not enough to unleash its full power. Recomended voltage is 15V from one guy statement, I tested 5V and 12V and the latter indeed have better and smoother sound (you can ignore if you dont understand this, it'll work anyway tongue.gif )

About power caps, you can use any general purpose caps, like Rubycon YXA. Just don't use ultra low ESR caps like Sanyo OS-CON, the regulator will make a buzzing noise because of it

This is my final back layout of analog out, its hard to route negative supply, positive supply and ground on small area like that sweat.gif I have some problems before get the final layout (note, green = ground, white = positive, bue = negative) I need to shield them though, there is some noise at full volume, but music is very quiet enough
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post Sep 17 2009, 01:35 AM

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@Najmods,
do u have tools/parts to make a connector from the xfi fatal1ty xtremegamer to the casing frontpanel audio jack?
tqvm.
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QUOTE(hafiez @ Sep 17 2009, 01:35 AM)
@Najmods,
do u have tools/parts to make a connector from the xfi fatal1ty xtremegamer to the casing frontpanel audio jack?
tqvm.
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No, building one is not that hard but I forgot the pinout of the front panel on the card
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post Sep 17 2009, 10:20 PM

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well..i have the instruction here.. but i dunno where to get the materials.. sad.gif
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post Sep 18 2009, 02:32 PM

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I think I've seen those plug at Jalan Pasar, NIXIE. But I could be wrong though
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post Sep 20 2009, 11:24 AM

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hmm~ hmm.gif
my friends also suggest to get it from Jalan Pasar.
well, will hunt it soon! laugh.gif
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post Sep 20 2009, 07:50 PM

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QUOTE(Najmods @ Sep 16 2009, 10:24 PM)
You could try LM4562, LME49720 or LME49723. All of them are nearli identical, on paper at least, the 49723 have slightly worse spec. What I liked the most is LME49720, 2nd is 49723 and lastly 4562 (this is vary)

But for SB046X (XtremeMusic, Fatal1ty, XtremeGamer Fatal1ty) only supplies 5V to the opamp, its not enough to unleash its full power. Recomended voltage is 15V from one guy statement, I tested 5V and 12V and the latter indeed have better and smoother sound (you can ignore if you dont understand this, it'll work anyway tongue.gif )

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How about the very famous high detailed AD8066 opamp? brows.gif brows.gif

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post Sep 22 2009, 02:16 AM

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QUOTE(andrew9292 @ Sep 20 2009, 07:50 PM)
How about the very famous high detailed AD8066 opamp? brows.gif  brows.gif
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I haven't tested AD8066 yet, there is others who have tested AD8066. But there is not much users replying to this thread anymore, either they can't find audiophile subforum or they no longer use X-Fi/Audigy modded with this opamp sweat.gif
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QUOTE(Najmods @ Sep 16 2009, 10:24 PM)
You could try LM4562, LME49720 or LME49723. All of them are nearli identical, on paper at least, the 49723 have slightly worse spec. What I liked the most is LME49720, 2nd is 49723 and lastly 4562 (this is vary)

But for SB046X (XtremeMusic, Fatal1ty, XtremeGamer Fatal1ty) only supplies 5V to the opamp, its not enough to unleash its full power. Recomended voltage is 15V from one guy statement, I tested 5V and 12V and the latter indeed have better and smoother sound (you can ignore if you dont understand this, it'll work anyway tongue.gif )

About power caps, you can use any general purpose caps, like Rubycon YXA. Just don't use ultra low ESR caps like Sanyo OS-CON, the regulator will make a buzzing noise because of it

This is my final back layout of analog out, its hard to route negative supply, positive supply and ground on small area like that sweat.gif I have some problems before get the final layout (note, green = ground, white = positive, bue = negative) I need to shield them though, there is some noise at full volume, but music is very quiet enough
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Thanks for the input! It's a good thing I studied Analog Devices in my previous semester thumbup.gif I guess it's possible to draw an external 12V supply from the PSU, but the wiring will be kinda sweat.gif The insides of my PC is messy enough already, and I don't really wanna ruin the looks of my Titanium for the time being. Besides, 5V should more than suffice as I doubt the amplified signal will exceed this limit.

As for your mod, why not use a veroboard instead? Less jumpers flying here and there, more tidy ma tongue.gif

Actually, there are quite a few opamps I wanna try, but soldering them on and off every time will be quite a hassle. I'm trying to get a "DIP to SOIC adapter" off eBay, but everything there is a "SOIC to DIP adapter" doh.gif This is what I want:
http://www.epboard.com/eproducts/protoadap...%20IC%20Adapter

QUOTE(hafiez @ Sep 17 2009, 10:20 PM)
well..i have the instruction here.. but i dunno where to get the materials.. sad.gif
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I think I used to have one of those white connector thingy, Dell desktops shipped around year 2004 with a Creative card should have it nod.gif

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post Sep 25 2009, 11:49 PM

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QUOTE(Dreamworks @ Sep 22 2009, 01:55 PM)
Thanks for the input! It's a good thing I studied Analog Devices in my previous semester thumbup.gif I guess it's possible to draw an external 12V supply from the PSU, but the wiring will be kinda sweat.gif The insides of my PC is messy enough already, and I don't really wanna ruin the looks of my Titanium for the time being. Besides, 5V should more than suffice as I doubt the amplified signal will exceed this limit.

As for your mod, why not use a veroboard instead? Less jumpers flying here and there, more tidy ma tongue.gif

Actually, there are quite a few opamps I wanna try, but soldering them on and off every time will be quite a hassle. I'm trying to get a "DIP to SOIC adapter" off eBay, but everything there is a "SOIC to DIP adapter" doh.gif This is what I want:
http://www.epboard.com/eproducts/protoadap...%20IC%20Adapter
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Its up to you, I just giving suggestion smile.gif Well, that IS veroboard, I know what you mean actually, the board that have all the row already soldered (connected). But I'm not used to that and I wanted to have my own layout. I'll tidy it soon, just too lazy tongue.gif

Yes I agree buying adapter is better in long run especially if you love rolling opamp. If you use the adapter you can just tap from the PSU directly to the opamp if you want 12V supply. Use small capacitor like 0.01uF to bypass it to ground for some noise reduction
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post Sep 28 2009, 12:27 AM

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hi all, x-fi xtreme audio pci express user reporting in. .
still the greatest budget sound card!
add some characteristics to speakers that don't have their own,,

have used it for altec lansing acs 45.1, sonic gear blue thunder 1, altec lansing vs4121
add some brightness to acs 45.1 little heavy bass,
enchances the details from sonic gear bt1 and add some punch to the bass
performs slight better at vs4121(just slightly, I think this speaker already has its characteristics)

now planning to use it on c3 or s330d,, still thinking of which one though hmm.gif

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post Sep 28 2009, 11:44 PM

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Hey guys,

whats the difference between Audigy Value, USB, and the latest X-Fi series? apart from the price difference laugh.gif

I'm using Edifier C3 and Steelseries Siberia.

Which card should I use to fully utilize the features of my sound system?

Thanks
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post Sep 29 2009, 07:52 PM

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QUOTE(C-Note @ Sep 28 2009, 11:44 PM)
Hey guys,

whats the difference between Audigy Value, USB, and the latest X-Fi series? apart from the price difference laugh.gif

I'm using Edifier C3 and Steelseries Siberia.

Which card should I use to fully utilize the features of my sound system?

Thanks
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as for c3, I highly recommend the x-fi series(on your budget).
the x-fi characteristic is making the bass more punchy, the treble brighter
audigy value, only improves the sound quality from onboard sound without its spesific sound character.
the c3 sounds really depend on your source(soundcard), bad sounds bad good sounds good..
its because c3 doesn't have its own sound characteristics, its sound quality is very detail though..
use the pci slot don't use usb(for desktop), its useless IMO.
as for Steelseries Siberia, I can't recommend anything. don't even know the speaker smile.gif

hope it helps
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post Sep 29 2009, 08:44 PM

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QUOTE(radi3tz @ Sep 29 2009, 07:52 PM)
as for c3, I highly recommend the x-fi series(on your budget).
the x-fi characteristic is making the bass more punchy, the treble brighter
audigy value, only improves the sound quality from onboard sound without its spesific sound character.
the c3 sounds really depend on your source(soundcard), bad sounds bad good sounds good..
its because c3 doesn't have its own sound characteristics, its sound quality is very detail though..
use the pci slot don't use usb(for desktop), its useless IMO.
as for Steelseries Siberia, I can't recommend anything. don't even know the speaker smile.gif

hope it helps
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Thanks for the reply. Thats really informative. Really appreciated it. notworthy.gif

Am just curious here, what about the Fatality series and other brands like Asus XONAR? Extra features?

Anyway I guess I'll go for either Xtreme Audio or Titanium as my budget allows. Whaddaya think?

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