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andrew9292
post Jun 22 2009, 10:45 PM

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QUOTE(UNDERGROUND @ May 11 2009, 05:19 PM)
Swapping cap and opamp  biggrin.gif
XTREME will do it for you, well, if you don't like risking your new XFi then forget about it, after months of usage maybe you can consider it, it's a worthwhile effort you're not going to believe.  rclxms.gif

If you don't mind the budget, you can get the more expensive one, the DAC is better i guess...  biggrin.gif
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Yeap he did the mod for me, at first i didnt like the sound and posted medicore review in his thread, but after one week plus of burn in..... tongue.gif tongue.gif tongue.gif x-fi standard babeh!!

wonder why he close his thread? i cant edit my post! =\

main power cap (the huge one) biggrin.gif
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caps that lie in signal path (brownish colored) + ad8066 opamp (at most bottom left)
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sexy? listen to how she sings...... drool.gif drool.gif drool.gif



sory bro XTREME for putting such bad review at yor thread...this the only way to compensate =\

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post Aug 8 2009, 12:20 AM

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QUOTE(Najmods @ Aug 7 2009, 11:51 PM)
Finaly home at last to do some mods biggrin.gif

Some componetes I change is LME49720 opamp, Nichicon MUSE caps for opamp supply and Sanyo OS-CON on digital part of the card. The only thing lacking is I only have 2 Rubycon Blackgate NX HQ 47uF for coupling, but I do change the non inverting signal that go to the opamp, I can just short the caps but I afraid of DC offset

I spend 1 week reading datsheets and look at the card, looks like there are one caps that Creative put the wrong values on it, and it's on Vref of the DAC. They cut corners I guess

Initial impression, the vocal is still stands out but the background detail improves, the high isn't piercing on the ear thankfuly. But its more picky this time, mp3 sounds awfully flat as it reveals all its flaws. It was tonally accurate, I guess thats why people say its analytical and a bit dry I might add. I will took some time for me to adjust for this sound

EDIT: So much typo, I guess I'm too excited tongue.gif
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happened to me on my audigy too, when i modded to ad8066....

sounds very flat and no excitement on mp3, but on CD's or FLAC it's good ; )
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post Aug 8 2009, 06:37 PM

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QUOTE(Najmods @ Aug 8 2009, 11:10 AM)
Picture time!
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Wow, your mod much more cleaner and neater than Extreme's mod...

alamak last time he mod my card, no doubt it sound more detail,
but when use RMAA to test, it slow a lot of inter-channel leakage and imbalance, plus noise floor decrease about 3dB.... poor soldering...banyak burn marks on the card also rclxub.gif rclxub.gif

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post Aug 9 2009, 12:55 AM

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hmm...wonder what your combination of LME49720 sound like after all parts fully burn in
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post Aug 9 2009, 02:11 PM

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wow, remove coupling caps? not afraid of DC offset?

hmm...so if remove coupling caps still can use with speaker right? just that with headphone or earphone it might shorten the life of the driver and fail eventually right?


Added on August 9, 2009, 2:11 pm
QUOTE(Najmods @ Aug 9 2009, 01:08 AM)
The LME has been used before, with all other caps. I have my own technique removing SOIC without damaging them, most people just cut them out but I keep all of them just in case I needed them back, no matter how bad they were. I never really believe in burn-in in solid state devices

EDIT: I have bypass the coupling caps after the DAC just by using solder while the caps still there just for testing, it seems that it have no ill effect unlike I got from XtremeMusic

EDIT2: I properly short the coupling caps, removed them and just use a wire to connect them, and I removed the big orange tantalum 33uF caps because I afraid it might blow up if it fails. I truly love how it sounds now, its more revealing and detailed than before!
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post Aug 22 2009, 10:04 PM

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QUOTE(Najmods @ Aug 9 2009, 02:37 PM)
No, I expected a huge DC offset too (maybe on 1 or 2V) but no, there is mere 100-200mV on each channel, not too much. I plugged in old Philips SBC HP200 headphone, it sings very well, and lasted me half an hour, I never put headphone that long before laugh.gif
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Hmm... my audigy (SB0090) uses 2 opamps... one ST4558 and one 5216 for front output

the st4558 is now taken off and bypassed...now the card is relying on the 5216 slot which i removed and changed with ad8066...

there are 4 coupling caps for the 4558 slot which i did not remove... and there are no caps for the 5216 slot i think

can i just short the 4 coupling caps at the 4558 slot? remove them and solder across the terminals?


...here is a super big pict of sb0090 and the caps that i'm talking about....

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DAC and DSP caps are changed to Panasonic FM caps by Extreme... he did the bypass too... but he didnt short out the caps after that... is it okay for me to short it?

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post Aug 23 2009, 02:22 PM

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QUOTE(Najmods @ Aug 23 2009, 01:57 AM)
What are the value of those 4 caps? The Audigy are hard to trace, you need to know what you are replacing. The 5216 is front channel obviously, the 4558 is for surround, and its for microphone in too
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But i wonder what is the need for two front opamps. hmm.gif
Cause when remove either the 5216 or 4558, front output will have no sound...

Indeed hard to trace, but i'm sure that caps 1,2,3,4 all belong to the st4558. Whether or not it is linked to the AD8066 i'm not sure...

St4558 slot has been bypassed like this : there are 4 terminals up and down for the opamp (8 terminals for 8 pins)

1.2.3.4

5.6.7.8

....2 and 3 has solder across them linking them together

and 5,6 has solder across them linking them together too, i guess that was how it was bypassed...

Heh..I dont know the values of the caps, i'm currently using the card in my computer, those are quite small values if i remember correctly. Is it really important to know the value on the 4 caps?


Added on August 23, 2009, 5:44 pmoh and btw, what are those film caps you used for bypassing the capacitors?

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post Sep 12 2009, 02:09 PM

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QUOTE(Najmods @ Sep 12 2009, 09:42 AM)
Its my PC, its my choice to mod or not. I'm here to support Creative user and not bashing people. You can continue this useless POS, and you can continue bashing Creative with their lack of EAX and OpenAL is dead. This is YOUR thread to begin with laugh.gif
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Yea loh. Why so many people like to come to online forum and argue.
Not only lowyat forum.
Some more they like to call people loser.
If they so winner, straight away post out handphone number and say meet outside and give location to discuss/argue/fight.
Loser calling ppl loser = loser to the power of 2 sweat.gif

Btw, I did bypass for my opamp caps, the DC-offset was too much with all 4 removed. I was able to "hear" the offset through my IEM. I immediately turned off and placed back the caps. =\ I guess Audigy original design not that good.

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post Sep 12 2009, 11:43 PM

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For me EAX or OpenAL not dead yet, just that some games just dont come with it supported. Pity, wonder why they dont want to support it.

Is it because EAX and OpenAL is not good enough?
Is it because they are "lazy" to support it?
Is it because there is a better alternative?
Is it because they think EAX is starting to be a nuisance?
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post Sep 20 2009, 07:50 PM

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QUOTE(Najmods @ Sep 16 2009, 10:24 PM)
You could try LM4562, LME49720 or LME49723. All of them are nearli identical, on paper at least, the 49723 have slightly worse spec. What I liked the most is LME49720, 2nd is 49723 and lastly 4562 (this is vary)

But for SB046X (XtremeMusic, Fatal1ty, XtremeGamer Fatal1ty) only supplies 5V to the opamp, its not enough to unleash its full power. Recomended voltage is 15V from one guy statement, I tested 5V and 12V and the latter indeed have better and smoother sound (you can ignore if you dont understand this, it'll work anyway tongue.gif )

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How about the very famous high detailed AD8066 opamp? brows.gif brows.gif

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post Jan 24 2010, 12:09 AM

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wow, now everything is in PCI-e...

times have changed, even getting a new soundcard u need a PCIE slot tongue.gif

 

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