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post Sep 19 2016, 02:10 PM

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is civic FD year around 2010-2011 worth the price of like rm60k? planning to get 1 decent 2nd hand car with no much headache. But for this price, can get newer honda city 2012 for 40-50k..

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QUOTE(ben3003 @ Sep 19 2016, 02:10 PM)
is civic FD year around 2010-2011 worth the price of like rm60k? planning to get 1 decent 2nd hand car with no much headache. But for this price, can get newer honda city 2012 for 40-50k..
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Cheapest Honda City RM 71k (after discount)
If you have to pay deposit, it is just RM 1 k more.
If you convert into instalments, it is abt RM 100/month more.
But you get everything including warranty NEW!!!!!!

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post Sep 20 2016, 11:04 AM

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but cheapest city is kosong inside.. i plan go full loan. Actually wan buy smaller car to replace my home ageing myvi, but picanto no more.. no more small car to buy, i don wan buy myvi again. Home oledi got jazz.

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post Sep 20 2016, 02:25 PM

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Please suggest:
1. Brand. - Honda CRV or Subaru Forester
2. Budget. - Below RM100k
3. New/Used/Unreg. - New/Used
4. Specs. -
5. Transmission. - AT
6. NA or FI ? - Any
7. Type. (Sedan, 2 Seater, Convertible, and etc) - SUV

Currently i am driving brand new Honda City 2013 full spec, i am thinking to get a SUV for family purpose , but still thinking to get a used 1-2 years car or brand new car as most of the brand new SUV are expensive. so need to seek for advice. thanks

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post Sep 20 2016, 03:13 PM

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Please suggest:
1. Brand. - Vios / City used or Myvi (new)
2. Budget. - +/ - RM45k
3. New/Used/Unreg. - New/Used
4. Specs. -
5. Transmission. - AT
6. NA or FI ? - Any
7. Type.

Currently need to daily travel to work from S'ban to KL , i am thinking to get a Auto transmission with low fuel consumption and reliability. So, seeking for advice.

thanks in advance
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post Sep 20 2016, 03:19 PM

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QUOTE(eagle008 @ Sep 20 2016, 03:13 PM)
Please suggest:
1. Brand. - Vios / City used  or Myvi (new)
2. Budget. - +/ - RM45k
3. New/Used/Unreg. - New/Used
4. Specs. -
5. Transmission. - AT
6. NA or FI ? - Any
7. Type.

Currently need to daily travel to work from S'ban to KL , i am thinking to get a Auto transmission with low fuel consumption and reliability. So, seeking for advice.

thanks in advance
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Assuming all you need is something to move you around frugally... (no mention of brands, size, or performance)
u might wana look at:

+ bezza (new)
+ persona (new)
+ saga (incoming, not sure whats it loaded with or whats the deal like yet)
+ iriz (used, 1-2yo. Have seen 1yo top range models sell for less than 40k which is basically peanuts....)
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post Sep 20 2016, 04:15 PM

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1. Brand: Japanese cars
2. Budget: 20K Max
3. New/Used/Unreg: Used
4. Specs: 1.6 minimum
5. Transmission: Auto
6. NA or FI ? any
7. Type: C segment

Looking for my first car, Not keen on getting a brand new one, and not interested in the Protons, and Peroduas.

The car would be used mainly for city use, to and from work, But also the occasional journey up north to penang and down south to Johor.

I was initially looking at the 2005 Toyota Altis's, Camry, Also looking at the 2012 Peugeot 207 as its around 16k-18k (But need feedback on maintenance and cost).

Please give me recommendations on any other models you would like to suggest.

Thanks!
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post Sep 20 2016, 04:44 PM

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QUOTE(xelium @ Sep 20 2016, 04:15 PM)
1. Brand:  Japanese cars
2. Budget: 20K Max
3. New/Used/Unreg: Used
4. Specs: 1.6 minimum
5. Transmission: Auto
6. NA or FI ? any
7. Type: C segment

Looking for my first car, Not keen on getting a brand new one, and not interested in the Protons, and Peroduas.

The car would be used mainly for city use, to and from work, But also the occasional journey up north to penang and down south to Johor.

I was initially looking at the 2005 Toyota Altis's, Camry, Also looking at the 2012 Peugeot 207 as its around 16k-18k (But need feedback on maintenance and cost).

Please give me recommendations on any other models you would like to suggest.

Thanks!
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frankly speaking i have a feeling you are
1)will be difficult to get the xv30 camry for 20k (the xv20 however is within budget) same can be said for an 05 altis at that price, i think you might need to revise your budget for that kind of money.
2)peugeot 207 is cheap for a reason, my advise? dont touch it....

small budget + dont want p1/p2 well.......... you can consider:
-4th gen city's (GD) - do have takara air bag issues lol, gearbox can be an issue. (1.5l engine tho)
-nissan Sentra - simple, reliable
-ohwai..... no more choices!?!? (there are a few but.... meh)
*not looking at cars pre-2005 (dont think you want one that old but since you mentioned 05 cars...) or kimchi/euro cars.*


conclusion:
revise budget OR get a car older than 05 OR open up your options to include p1/p2..... also, think about how much wana spend on the car yearly
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post Sep 20 2016, 05:39 PM

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QUOTE(eric84cool @ Sep 18 2016, 12:19 PM)
if the civic hybrid offered to u is CBU, then it's very worthy but u need to consider the boot space. are u okay with the boot space as the battery occupying 30% of spaces.
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Am coming from a Waja with roughly similar boot space, so it's cool heheh. The model i was quoted is a CBU Thailand unit.

QUOTE(lsm1991 @ Sep 18 2016, 12:20 PM)
new city vs used civic hybrid..... pretty much comparing a new car with warranty vs an older higher end car which has more expensive parts + wear and tear.... its really a pro, con thing...

about the civic, you should firstly know that while it does share parts with the civic, its parts are more expensive than the city. Secondly if you intend to keep it long term, there is the hybrid 'factor' to consider... how long would it last and when it does need to be fixed, who can deal with it? (so far, from what i gather, it is fairly reliable and the replacement battery isn't that expensive) Mechanics outside should have no issue dealing with the car so long as they dont have to mess with the hybrid system...

*i suggest you join the owners club and ask them more about it first before deciding +  read up on honda's ima... its frankly not as 'clever' as toyota's take on hybrid designs

**lol just a personal opinion... civics were meant to be sportier machines.... this hybrid is a lie!!! mad.gif (jkjk)
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Thanks for the input! Yeah a friend with an insight mentioned before about IMA, but that an "advantage" is that should the battery fail, you still can start it up and run off the petrol engine alone. Parts are also mostly shared with the normal civic (though that's EOL now with the new gen), so technically should still be available...right?


QUOTE(zenix @ Sep 19 2016, 11:55 AM)
well wira isn't so bad especially the 1.5 one the engine and gearbox is relatively bullet proof.
however, the only gremlim you should be cautious of is rust.
because not square?  sweat.gif
any other requirement or usage info?
Checking online the insurance premium for a 2012 3008 with 55% NCB and premium windscreen cover is going to be RM1700++
However, you should check to ensure that also covers the panaroof, as it usually doesn't.
Also another thing to note it doesn't cover panaroof leaking just breaking from stone chips, etc.

Peugeot's are really for people that love their cars.
They're expensive to upkeep and reliability is not their strong point.
If you're just choosing it because it is in your budget range, then even if you get a decent one without issues you'll still feel you bought a lemon.
Hybrid's are pretty much still new stuff in Malaysia.
Malaysian mindset usually is less complicated and old tech is cheaper to maintain.
Which is usually true, there is much maintenance that needs to be done for the Hybrid in terms of it's IMA (hybrid) system since everything is electrical.
However, when it fails I don't think they're up to the task and would recommend you'd go back to Honda 3S to fix it.
Usually at this point you'll get really frustrated with the 3S people as they'll either give you two answers:

1. I dunno how to fix the problem, this kind of problem never happen before, also you never service here (implying the workshop outside did something wrong and honda won't be responsible for it).

2. This is the problem, this is the solution, this is the price. We cannot guarantee it will fix the issue because you never service here.

I think you can go for a Nissan Latio or Nissan X-Gear, as both these cars already suffer heavy depreciation and would fit your requirements.
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Yeah I've heard that some mechanics don't dare to touch hybrids because of the complex electronics. The car is still under warranty, but I was told that since the internals share a lot of similarities in design with normal civic, outside mechanics should also still be able to handle simple jobs. Still on the fence about this hmm.gif
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post Sep 21 2016, 11:29 AM

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QUOTE(ben3003 @ Sep 19 2016, 02:10 PM)
is civic FD year around 2010-2011 worth the price of like rm60k? planning to get 1 decent 2nd hand car with no much headache. But for this price, can get newer honda city 2012 for 40-50k..

but cheapest city is kosong inside.. i plan go full loan. Actually wan buy smaller car to replace my home ageing myvi, but picanto no more.. no more small car to buy, i don wan buy myvi again. Home oledi got jazz.
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So in your first post you said you wanted a Civic then now a smaller car.
I'm confused.

QUOTE(felixfatass @ Sep 20 2016, 02:25 PM)
Please suggest:
1. Brand. - Honda CRV or Subaru Forester
2. Budget. - Below RM100k
3. New/Used/Unreg. - New/Used
4. Specs. -
5. Transmission. - AT
6. NA or FI ? - Any
7. Type. (Sedan, 2 Seater, Convertible, and etc) - SUV

Currently i am driving brand new Honda City 2013 full spec, i am thinking to get a SUV for family purpose , but still thinking to get a used 1-2 years car or brand new car as most of the brand new SUV are expensive. so need to seek for advice. thanks
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I don't know if they still have any cars after doing the stock clearance but you can check this out.

QUOTE(eagle008 @ Sep 20 2016, 03:13 PM)
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2009 Toyota Altis 1.8 - don't muck about it get a good car like the Altis, it has the safety features that would give you peace of mind when travelling on the highway everyday, being a 1800cc car you won't feel tired driving an under powered car and having to push it to it's limits everday, maintenance wise i wouldn't say it is cheap because it is a C-segment afterall so expect normal service around RM120-170.

QUOTE(xelium @ Sep 20 2016, 04:15 PM)
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I'm going to assume you'll be paying a cash amount without any loan attachment.
Also do note that most of the prices quoted when used car dealers sell the car is the car price, even if he absorb the GST, you'll still have to top-up roughly 2-3k for runner handling charges, jpj inspection, roadtax and insurance.

You're in luck since I am also searching for a "cheap shit" car that can be capable of highway usage. My requirements is basically to find a car that is cheap to buy and maintain while mostly being a in town runabout but capable of highway journey's from Johor to KL, and it must be comfortable as my group coming up and down KL is usually 4 adults.

2006 Nissan Latio 1.6 Sedan - usually even this old it is above 20k but the owner is doing a quick fire sale at 15k, you might wanna give a call to check it out, if it is legit then it is a steal. It should be able to fit all your requirements. While still being slightly newer than your target of 2005 cars. You can read more about Latio's in my previous posts.

2004 Toyota Altis 1.6 - checking around there aren't any 2005 models within your budget and for 2004 only a handful of cars available (in KL region), anyway this particular ad the car looks in relatively good condition plus it is stock so hopefully it was well taken care of and driven by a lady to go pasar buy vege only. All in all, when going for older cars if you do not know what you're doing or much about maintenance then it is better to go for Toyota's as they're cheaper to fix it anything goes wrong and are built quite tough so even if it wasn't serviced well it should still be okay.

If you're willing to up your budget there are better cars you can choose;

2006 Mitsubishi Lancer 1.6 - there used to be many for sale but nowadays few remaining and there is reason too as now is 2016 and the last batch of these cars that were sold were in 2006 so this is the last year someone can actually buy them using loan. It is a relatively good car as it shares much in common with Proton Waja as they come from the same platform so there are parts that can be shared between the two so you can source for cheap parts via this avenue but if you can't then you can always still get new parts from Mitsubishi Malaysia but it would cost you laugh.gif




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post Sep 21 2016, 02:37 PM

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QUOTE(zenix @ Sep 21 2016, 11:29 AM)
So in your first post you said you wanted a Civic then now a smaller car.
I'm confused.
I don't know if they still have any cars after doing the stock clearance but you can check this out.
2009 Toyota Altis 1.8 - don't muck about it get a good car like the Altis, it has the safety features that would give you peace of mind when travelling on the highway everyday, being a 1800cc car you won't feel tired driving an under powered car and having to push it to it's limits everday, maintenance wise i wouldn't say it is cheap because it is a C-segment afterall so expect normal service around RM120-170.
I'm going to assume you'll be paying a cash amount without any loan attachment.
Also do note that most of the prices quoted when used car dealers sell the car is the car price, even if he absorb the GST, you'll still have to top-up roughly 2-3k for runner handling charges, jpj inspection, roadtax and insurance.

You're in luck since I am also searching for a "cheap shit" car that can be capable of highway usage. My requirements is basically to find a car that is cheap to buy and maintain while mostly being a in town runabout but capable of highway journey's from Johor to KL, and it must be comfortable as my group coming up and down KL is usually 4 adults.

2006 Nissan Latio 1.6 Sedan - usually even this old it is above 20k but the owner is doing a quick fire sale at 15k, you might wanna give a call to check it out, if it is legit then it is a steal. It should be able to fit all your requirements. While still being slightly newer than your target of 2005 cars. You can read more about Latio's in my previous posts.

2004 Toyota Altis 1.6 - checking around there aren't any 2005 models within your budget and for 2004 only a handful of cars available (in KL region), anyway this particular ad the car looks in relatively good condition plus it is stock so hopefully it was well taken care of and driven by a lady to go pasar buy vege only. All in all, when going for older cars if you do not know what you're doing or much about maintenance then it is better to go for Toyota's as they're cheaper to fix it anything goes wrong and are built quite tough so even if it wasn't serviced well it should still be okay.

If you're willing to up your budget there are better cars you can choose;

2006 Mitsubishi Lancer 1.6 - there used to be many for sale but nowadays few remaining and there is reason too as now is 2016 and the last batch of these cars that were sold were in 2006 so this is the last year someone can actually buy them using loan. It is a relatively good car as it shares much in common with Proton Waja as they come from the same platform so there are parts that can be shared between the two so you can source for cheap parts via this avenue but if you can't then you can always still get new parts from Mitsubishi Malaysia but it would cost you  laugh.gif
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really appreciated your valuable opinion, totally agreed that higher power will make the trip more comfortable, especially less vibration during the journey. But how is the fuel consumption compare with Vios, of course it will drunk more, but just estimate how much?

Thanks in advance.

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QUOTE(passmaster14 @ Sep 20 2016, 05:39 PM)
Am coming from a Waja with roughly similar boot space, so it's cool heheh. The model i was quoted is a CBU Thailand unit.
Thanks for the input! Yeah a friend with an insight mentioned before about IMA, but that an "advantage" is that should the battery fail, you still can start it up and run off the petrol engine alone. Parts are also mostly shared with the normal civic (though that's EOL now with the new gen), so technically should still be available...right?
Yeah I've heard that some mechanics don't dare to touch hybrids because of the complex electronics. The car is still under warranty, but I was told that since the internals share a lot of similarities in design with normal civic, outside mechanics should also still be able to handle simple jobs. Still on the fence about this  hmm.gif
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about the only thing the civic hybrid and the civic "regular" have in common is the chassis, interior and exterior parts.
of course the hybrid has specialize bumpers which are made to reduce friction and powerloss, but you can of course still install a regular civic one if you wanna save cost. Eventhough the Civic is EOL usually any manufacturer will continue to make parts for it a minimum for 20 years, sometimes if the model isn't selling well they release it to their OEM's to continue to make parts for it under "oem", "compatible", etc. but not "original".

as for the engine it has more in common with the CRZ and Insight, so you can estimate the maintenance from your Insight buddy.

like i said before the oily bits you can get a normal workshop to settle for you but once any electronics or IMA ducks up, you're in for a world of pain.

QUOTE(eagle008 @ Sep 21 2016, 02:37 PM)
really appreciated your valuable opinion, totally agreed that higher power will make the trip more comfortable, especially less vibration during the journey. But how is the fuel consumption compare with Vios, of course it will drunk more, but just estimate how much?

Thanks in advance.
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i don't have those figures with me but let me put it this way.
the lower the rpm = less fuel usage.
a vios in the town doesn't rev up to high rpm to get around, neither does an altis, but of course you'd get better pickup from the altis because natively you're spending more fuel as 1500cc vs 1800cc.

however when travelling at the highway a 1800cc car can comfortably cruise between 2-3k rpm at 110-140kmh, while a vios would need to be in the 3-4k range for similar performance, and if you need to go faster to overtake cars going at 90/100kmh you'll need to rev the vios 1500cc engine to an inch of it's life to get that 6k rpm surge and go from 90kmh to 140kmh quickly to overtake, while an altis wouldn't take that much effort.

in a nutshell the fuel consumption difference might be negligible.
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My family is planning to get a Toyota Camry, second hand car also under consideration. Many Toyota owners recommend me to buy second hands unit from Top Mark, but I find their price is on high side. Still in dilemma whether to get a new one or second hand unit. If you have similar experience, kindly share with me. Any recommendation are welcome. Thank you.
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1. New Saga/ Forte 1.6SX 2011/Altis 1.8G 2006
2. 45K+-
3. New/Used
4. VSC, ABCD segment doesn't matter
5. Auto
6. NA
7. Sedan

Was quite attracted by Camry XV30 2.4 too, but guess that the running costs will be a lot higher. Just want a reliable car for mainly highway driving anyway. Proton cars are good for highways, but theres the CVT and reliability issue, while the other choices seems to be quite reliable.
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QUOTE(Chihuahua921 @ Sep 25 2016, 03:13 PM)
1. New Saga/ Forte 1.6SX 2011/Altis 1.8G 2006
2. 45K+-
3. New/Used
4. VSC, ABCD segment doesn't matter
5. Auto
6. NA
7. Sedan

Was quite attracted by Camry XV30 2.4 too, but guess that the running costs will be a lot higher. Just want a reliable car for mainly highway driving anyway. Proton cars are good for highways, but theres the CVT and reliability issue, while the other choices seems to be quite reliable.
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proton is actually reliable, and the punch cvt's while are not brilliant, are so far alright. so if reliability is a concern, that's not much of an issue... flaws they have yes, in spades but they will run and keep running long as you provide basic maintenance
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WOuld like to ask

New vehicles only
1- the most spacious sedan under rm100k
2- the most spacious MPV under rm150k-ish
3- the most reliable and good fuel consumption SUV that can seat 7ppl (rm150k-175k).. cannot afford new alphard or vellfire.

equipment: must have VSC

preferably not proton or perodua (plan to replace the protons and peroduas in my house)


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QUOTE(ubuntu @ Sep 22 2016, 02:06 PM)
My family is planning to get a Toyota Camry, second hand car also under consideration. Many Toyota owners recommend me to buy second hands unit from Top Mark, but I find their price is on high side. Still in dilemma whether to get a new one or second hand unit. If you have similar experience, kindly share with me. Any recommendation are welcome. Thank you.
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If you want cheap don't go find Top Mark.
If you want safety (not get cheated by salesman) and warranty find Top Mark.
Cause anything happen you complain to UMW Toyota they will look into your case seriously.
Used car dealer by roadside you wanna complain to who?
Like Kipidap everyday go make police report? laugh.gif

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D-segment running cost are innately more expensive because of the size of the engine and better components used.
New Saga is probably going to be 1000cc-1300cc how to compare against Camry 2400cc.
Like comparing the maintenance fees for a 400sqft apartment in the wrong side of town to a 5000sqft bungalow by SP Setia.

If Nanny electronics like VSC, EBD, etc. doesn't matter to you then pickup a Nissan Latio 1800cc.
Iinm the 2006 models are going for around RM23k.

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1. Almera/City (new)
2. Starex (new)
3. X-Trail (new)
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Hi all,

Would like to get opinion on second hand 2011 Nissan Sylphy 2.0 or 2013 Nissan X-Trail 1.6.

Is it worth for budget around RM50k?

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QUOTE(edwardycka @ Sep 26 2016, 04:59 PM)
Hi all,

Would like to get opinion on second hand 2011 Nissan Sylphy 2.0 or 2013 Nissan X-Trail 1.6.

Is it worth for budget around RM50k?
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do u mean x-gear 1.6?

x-trail has only 2.0 and 2.5


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1. Brand : Any
2. Budget : Below 80000
3. New/Used/Unreg : New
4. Specs : Any
5. Transmission : Auto
6. NA or FI : Any
7. Type : 4 seater.
8. Remarks :

Looking to buy my first car but not sure which car to buy (and I'm have very basic knowledge about cars in general). Basically will be travelling from Shah Alam to Damansara for work (quite jam). And will also be used to drive from Shah Alam to Kedah/Perak. So I'm actually looking for a car that's a good city car (primary) but also a good long distance travelling car (secondary). I will not be driving very fast even on empty highway (maybe max is 140km/h). I'm currently driving my father's Proton Waja SE 1.8L (2004).

- If I would change to a 1.4L car (let say Suzuki Swift), will I notice the difference in term of acceleration or whatever it is that made my driving experience less enjoyable (especially long distance)?

- Do you guys think new Persona, or Iriz is good (in term of price per spec)?

- Also really appreciate if the car has cheap maintanence price

- Good boot size is also a plus point for me

- Fuel efficient is another plus point

- I'm actually in dilemma between premium Persona/Iriz VS basic Swift. But any other suggestion are welcomed.

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