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post May 10 2021, 12:51 PM

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QUOTE(ironcrowz @ May 10 2021, 11:05 AM)
Which spec do i check for this?
Ok.. I read online that u can put electrical tape around the cables just to be safe, i think i can do that
Wah Stylelazer quote me RM26 per meter, but I dunno what brand/model la...  hmm.gif
Haha is it? I just thought music is complex cuz at the same time there's many instruments playing and also vocal, then the speakers need to be very good to represent every instruments at the same time, movie mostly has only dialogue, sometimes with music and sound effects..
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frequency response /graph from a speaker u pick

wire tape is safe. but "expert" say pvc tape destroy good cable lo.
if worry mistakes u can try screw type banana plug about rm1,rm2 each. got black got red.
just make sure the denon avr you order able insert banana plug

"speakers need to be very good to represent every instruments at the same time"
music instrument /singer record 1 by 1. then mixing engineer (big brain) arrange them according to PD (big boss) idea.
even live stage also got independant mic for record. so u getting good separation between all details.

once u attend live concert. ok give u sitting near stage.
everything just play loud in front or sit behind listen PA speaker hahaha. where got such high quality like home audio

on the other hand, movie definitely much more work to deal with.
not soap drama yaa <<<<< mostly indoor & fixed outdoor scene only
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post May 10 2021, 04:30 PM

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QUOTE(ben3003 @ May 10 2021, 11:13 AM)
i have installed my side surround after 1 year i bought the speaker.. and damn, side surround is like adding so much diff to the whole setup. due to the small room i have, the side surround is like half a meter to my main listening position, and it is around 1-1.5feet above the listening ear level, but pointing at listening position. i felt the sound abit like coming out from a higher place. maybe need to tweak the speaker volume lower?
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Too near.

The point of surrounds is ambiance, you could be hearing too much surround activity over your front LCR. If you can, maybe try mounting them instead. But if you can't, well... I guess, deal with it and just enjoy.
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post May 11 2021, 10:43 AM

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QUOTE(SSJBen @ May 10 2021, 04:30 PM)
Too near.

The point of surrounds is ambiance, you could be hearing too much surround activity over your front LCR. If you can, maybe try mounting them instead. But if you can't, well... I guess, deal with it and just enjoy.
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ok, i tried to tune down the volume for the side, yeah now it is more like blending in, much better. yeah, cant do much at my room, just enjoy watever i have lol. Now just learn and get to know all the basics so new house can do properly if got chance.
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post May 11 2021, 02:39 PM

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QUOTE(ben3003 @ May 11 2021, 10:43 AM)
ok, i tried to tune down the volume for the side, yeah now it is more like blending in, much better. yeah, cant do much at my room, just enjoy watever i have lol. Now just learn and get to know all the basics so new house can do properly if got chance.
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Run auto calibration to get it sort out. Than only do the leveling of the channels

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post May 11 2021, 02:54 PM

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QUOTE(sonerin @ May 11 2021, 02:39 PM)
Run auto calibration to get it sort out. Than only do the leveling of the channels
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ya i already did that after installation, but very loud so i now tune down so better abit, else the side speaker macam overpowering the front LCR.
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QUOTE(ben3003 @ May 11 2021, 02:54 PM)
ya i already did that after installation, but very loud so i now tune down so better abit, else the side speaker macam overpowering the front LCR.
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It's more accurate to use an SPL meter to level match.
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post May 12 2021, 03:50 PM

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Hi All,

I'm planning to get denon avc-x3700h to replace my amplifier. But not intend to change speaker now due to budget issue.

Thinking to pair with my old wharfedale speaker and small front height speaker (7.1).

With this, am I able to play atmos as well? I know maybe the sound effect could be not good.

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post May 15 2021, 04:49 AM

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QUOTE(cyclone2 @ May 12 2021, 03:50 PM)
Hi All,

I'm planning to get denon avc-x3700h to replace my amplifier. But not intend to change speaker now due to budget issue.

Thinking to pair with my old wharfedale speaker and small front height speaker (7.1).

With this, am I able to play atmos as well? I know maybe the sound effect could be not good.
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not ideal but u should front height is sometime better than elevation (reflective) one.
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post May 15 2021, 10:00 AM

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QUOTE(cyclone2 @ May 12 2021, 03:50 PM)
Hi All,

I'm planning to get denon avc-x3700h to replace my amplifier. But not intend to change speaker now due to budget issue.

Thinking to pair with my old wharfedale speaker and small front height speaker (7.1).

With this, am I able to play atmos as well? I know maybe the sound effect could be not good.
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a lot of HT users live with compromise. just do what your room and gear allows.
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post May 15 2021, 10:45 AM

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QUOTE(kevinlim001 @ May 15 2021, 04:49 AM)
not ideal but u should front height is sometime better than elevation (reflective) one.
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QUOTE(Skylinestar @ May 15 2021, 10:00 AM)
a lot of HT users live with compromise. just do what your room and gear allows.
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Thanks.

I had set up my x3700h. Wanted to ask, after run audyssey, I was trying to check the speaker level matching.

The amp was using relative scale -79.5db - 18db, so I need to set the master vol to 0db and run test tone to see whether all speaker is @ 75db, correct?

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post May 15 2021, 11:40 AM

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QUOTE(cyclone2 @ May 15 2021, 10:45 AM)
Thanks.

I had set up my x3700h. Wanted to ask, after run audyssey, I was trying to check the speaker level matching.

The amp was using relative scale -79.5db - 18db, so I need to set the master vol to 0db and run test tone to see whether all speaker is @ 75db, correct?
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post May 15 2021, 11:51 AM

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QUOTE(cyclone2 @ May 15 2021, 10:45 AM)
Thanks.

I had set up my x3700h. Wanted to ask, after run audyssey, I was trying to check the speaker level matching.

The amp was using relative scale -79.5db - 18db, so I need to set the master vol to 0db and run test tone to see whether all speaker is @ 75db, correct?
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you can go to manual setup > levels > run test tone , using SPL meter with weight C, Slow to check each channel speaker include Sub-woofer 75db . But be careful, some SPL meter is not be calibrated properly, may got +- 1.5db error. My SPL meter got this issue, after I compare with my friend SPL meter, find out my meter got +1.5db error. So i always adjust my speaker to 73.5db, but the sound setting is correct.
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post May 15 2021, 12:08 PM

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QUOTE(Skylinestar @ May 15 2021, 11:40 AM)
yes.
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QUOTE(kkthen @ May 15 2021, 11:51 AM)
you can go to manual setup > levels > run test tone , using SPL meter with weight C, Slow  to check each channel speaker include Sub-woofer 75db . But be careful, some SPL meter is not be calibrated properly, may got +- 1.5db error. My SPL meter got this issue, after I compare with my friend SPL meter, find out my meter got +1.5db error.  So i always adjust my speaker to 73.5db, but the sound setting is correct.
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Hmm i'm using my phone as spl meter. When i set master vol to 0 and spl meter was showing bout 90db?

That's weird.... I know maybe phone spl meter app may no 100% accurate, but is way too far from 75db.. Even i reduce to - 12 still not reaching 75db....
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QUOTE(cyclone2 @ May 15 2021, 12:08 PM)
Hmm i'm using my phone as spl meter. When i set master vol to 0 and spl meter was showing bout 90db?

That's weird.... I know maybe phone spl meter app may no 100% accurate, but is way too far from 75db.. Even i reduce to - 12 still not reaching 75db....
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your situation, Better leave default level after calibration. Do not use Phone app, too much error. Normally Audyssey auto level quit accurate, If you measure multi point mic position. Even got error, only 0.5db error.

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post May 15 2021, 02:55 PM

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QUOTE(kkthen @ May 15 2021, 01:20 PM)
your situation, Better leave default level after calibration. Do not use Phone app, too much error.  Normally  Audyssey auto level quit accurate, If you measure multi point  mic  position.  Even got error, only 0.5db error.
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Ok, thanks. I just restored back the orig calibration result.
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QUOTE(cyclone2 @ May 15 2021, 02:55 PM)
Ok, thanks. I just restored back the orig calibration result.
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do average using phone.. if ur phone manage to match 3 or 4 speakers with the same db says 73db then u just make sure other matches 73db..
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post May 16 2021, 12:04 PM

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QUOTE(kevinlim001 @ May 15 2021, 05:30 PM)
do average using phone.. if ur phone manage to match 3 or 4 speakers with the same db says 73db then u just make sure other matches 73db..
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The spl app detected all speaker around 88db.... Even reduce - 12db, also cant match 75 db...

Think i wil leave it as it is for now until i change new set of speaker....
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QUOTE(cyclone2 @ May 16 2021, 12:04 PM)
The spl app detected all speaker around 88db.... Even reduce - 12db, also cant match 75 db...

Think i wil leave it as it is for now until i change new set of speaker....
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no need to match 75db.. if your audyssey work well and you did your placement correctly.. most speaker should fall around the same db.. only 1 or two speakers need to be adjusted.. thats all you need to do.. no need purposely reduce to 75db.
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QUOTE(kevinlim001 @ May 16 2021, 01:24 PM)
no need to match 75db.. if your audyssey work well and you did your placement correctly.. most speaker should fall around the same db.. only 1 or two speakers need to be adjusted.. thats all you need to do.. no need purposely reduce to 75db.
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ahh I see.... ok will try to check again.
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One note about Audyssey calibration - if you don't place the mic right, the variance between each seat during multi calibration can vary significantly. So I hope you weren't using the dumb card board stand Denon includes with the receiver, but instead using a boom mic stand to hold the mic.

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