wr0ng choice

No HDMI port, only RCA, but NingSelect says just buy an adapter Optical (I think it's called this?) in to RCA out.

I'm staying in Puchong now, 3 or 4 mths later will be in Bandar Sri Permaisuri. Why?


I think only my TV and laptop, disc player probably not cuz can just use laptop to play movie

Existing no audio set hahaha, but moving to new hse soon so finally can own one

laptop seldom got optical port. beside it dont support new codec like atmos dtsx.
so aim hdmi receiver among 5 common brand (yamaha denon marantz pioneer onkyo).

speaker quite hard to judge. if you aim for less sharp tuning, try wharfedale diamond serie

This post has been edited by ktek: May 6 2021, 03:35 PM

that Taiwanese is B&W and Accuphase kaki.. but he is more to music rather than home theater..

The set will be in my living room, left side is curtain, right side is dining area, so i think reflection is not an issue <-- same layout as mine and it does means that you do not have a proper listening area. assuming you are sitting in the middle of the room. TV placing at front wall and you are having rear wall.. those wall are going to reflect your sound. And your ceiling also.. if you place ur left front close to the curtain corner you will then found left speaker is more bloomy than right speaker

the question for you is whether u want to settle down with 2.0/2.1 OR you start with 2.0/2.1 and work your way up. if you are really into HT (surround channel) your 2.0 / 2.1 should start with AVR not stereo amp.

soundbar is still limited by the way it works. no matter how expensive it is, it cant fit it large driver and often tune equalizer with V shape setup to impress consumer.

This post has been edited by kevinlim001: May 6 2021, 04:31 PM

For new speakers I would recommend Wharfedale Evo 4.2 Shopee
These are very good speakers for their price. Must also budget RM500-1,000 for good stands for them. Take note that these speakers will need some experimentation with positioning and toe-in, but once placed right, they are quite awesome.

For amplifier, I don't really have a preferred unit within your budget range but these Yamaha WXA-50 Shopee are pretty good for their low price. It comes with music streaming capabilities, has optical input as well as sub-woofer out. They have about 50 watts per channel at 8 Ohms (class-D Icepower modules) so quite decent.

The above recommendation assumes you want to stick with 2.0 or 2.1 and not aspiring to add centre, surround and height speakers later on. If you want to add more speakers later on, then should get an AV Receiver.

This post has been edited by gobiomani: May 6 2021, 03:51 PM

Check the Shield's display settings then?

I have a Shield Pro connected to an even older receiver (RX-A850) than yours in my bedroom and it passes through HDR with zero issues. So it's definitely not the receiver's problem.

You have to understand something very fundamental to audio; what you hear at stores IS NOT what you hear at home.

I don't know why this has to keep being repeated. Sound is a wave that you cannot see, it interacts with surfaces and objects. Unless you're telling me your home is modeled EXACTLY the same as the store, you CANNOT make a conclusion or judgment on how one speaker really sound like. In fact, just the distance from where you sit at home vs where you sat in the store would already change the perception of how a pair of speaker would sound.

As for that Taiwanese guy, no offense to him but he doesn't know jack shit about what he's talking about. He's using emotions to relay his experience, which again means nothing because what he hears is only relevant to him in his own room.

@bolded
Audio is not rocket science, it's just logic and common sense. It only sounds like rocket science because the audio industry is the ONLY industry in the world that gets away with bullshitting and daylight robbery. Not even drugs could get away with the amount of bullshit that surrounds the audio industry, let that sink in.

Thank u all!

Should I decide on the speaker before deciding on the AVR/amp? Since I understood that whether a speaker can be pushed fully to its potential is determined by the AVR/Amp.

Also just learned that UK brands tend to have warmer sounds, maybe i should start targeting UK speakers.


Haha yea, but if the set can do music well, should be able to do decent on movie as well right?

Now I'm definitely not sure about whether I'll expand the system, now I'm mainly looking for one that does the job well enough, but to keep all options open, i think getting an AVR is best.

Denon AVR-x1600H was highly rated and seemed to well spec-ed, but the demo that day really ruin my impression of it, not sure the overly sharp sound is due to the Denon AVR or the Jamo speakers though... If Jamo is sharp at leaast I can swap out for a Whaferdale etc. for warmer sound.. Hmm guess I gotta take another trip for demo haha


The Wharfedale I think over budget considering I still need an AVR, some cables, maybe stands etc.
But I'll keep it on the list just in care I'm willing to push my budget a lil further, you couldn't be any kinder by putting those shopee link, much appreciated

If u don't mind guiding me a little further, may i know what spec should i check when looking for speakers and AVR? I quite worry as I heard they can be damaged..

I understand that watts is the power required to move the speakers, having more doesn't matter? Will having too much watt damage the speakers?

How about Ohm? Should I worry about it? I read it can cause overheating in the AVR or even damage it?

I'll probably get Denon AVR-x1600H for future upgrades (if required), but still thank u for the amp recommendation.


Hey chill bro, thank u for ur advice~

I'm thinking if the system can't even sound good enough in the perfectly setup demo room to convince me to buy, how am I gonna be confident enough to spend my hard earned money on it.. I know everyone's home/room may not be perfect for listening, but if the system already sound bad in perfect room, it'll definitely sound even worse in my imperfect living room... Sometimes we just have to make do with the room we have right..

At least if it sounded very nice during the demo, we can try to copy that at home... Instead of spending RM7k yet still have to experiment with it, without knowing the eventual result will be good or bad..

speaker how many ohm. watt. dbm
price about 1k 2k choose common brand will not spoil one. they are cater for beginner very friendly

denon x1600 good to go. since you have listen denon avr before.
the next demo shall use pure direct mode to learn each spk character

after choosen the one u like. baru request for calibrate (may improve or worsen depend room vs sensor position)

This post has been edited by ktek: May 6 2021, 06:25 PM

Yes, always decide on the speakers before choosing the amp/pre-pro/receiver/dac.

If a pair of speakers can play music well, it can do anything well. In fact, speakers are agnostic to what you're feeding it. The drivers just reproduce the sound that is being asked by the crossover, up till its limits. The whole myth of x speaker is only good for movies and not good for music is such a overused lie that again, only this industry has.

To be frank, I don't think you know what "sharp" sound actually means. It's sibilance and I'll tell you right away, sibilance exists in all types of tweeters. I have the Wharfedale Evo 4.2 also and I can make it as "sharp" sounding as the Jamo you heard if I want to.

Having too much power CAN potentially damage the voice coil, in theory. Because to have so much power where your voice coil explodes, your eardrums and possibly other internal organs in your body would first explode before they do. What I'm trying to say is, you need to feed 1000w into a speaker with a sensitivity of 105db/m for that to happen. First, you won't find such a speaker in the consumer space and EVEN if you do, in the real world you won't do that because that defies logic. So don't worry about how much power you need or want.

Ohm is resistance, that's a whole other topic where one single post won't be enough to explain. For what it relates to with amps, as long as the amp is supplying sufficient power at 8ohms and doesn't shut down at 4ohms, then it's fine.

What if I told you the room at style laser is not perfect in the first place? Want to know another truth? There are no perfect rooms, because such a room only exists - outside, in the middle of no where. Do you sleep outside?

ironcrowz
If you worry about too much power damaging your speaker, get a speaker with high sensitivity. Less watt is needed to produce the desired loudness (sound pressure level). I normally give this advice to people who are new to home theater.

Here is an example of a wrong setup:
Use hard to drive speakers with poor amp. To achieve the desired listening level, the user cranks up the volume knob. The poor amp tries so bad and distorts. With electronic eq, you will be surprised that a lot of power is actually needed.

It is hard to go wrong with a powerful amp, but it's not cheap. Too much power is better than too little power. Your ear hits the limit first before the speaker hits its limit. If you ignore the distortion, the danger to the speaker becomes real.

This post has been edited by Skylinestar: May 7 2021, 01:28 AM

You Shield settings, is it custom or default settings you choose? Need further info in order to configure the settings. Thanks again for your help.

cheers!

I also believe something to do with HDCP because mine shows 1.4 but I cannot confirm if this is the issue.

I see ok i think I'll go with Denon AVR-S960H for the extra features at only Rm500 more.

Hopefully can go for another demo soon, mayb after MCO

Any speaker brand or model you can recommend for rock music? Budget preferably below RM2k unless significant improvement for slightly more money.. Thank u in advance!


Ya! That's what i thought too, since music is more complex compared to a movie. I think I need to focus my search on those performs well on music then, automatically they'll do fine with movies.

And... Nope, it's not sibilance, maybe, just MAYBE Jamo speakers sound overly bright (not sure how to describe it) to me, will arrange for another demo for other speakers...

Mainly set my eye on Denon AVR-S960H + UK brand speakers since they have a reputation for warmer sounds

Hmm i think i get ur point... Best environment is one without any kinds of sound reflection, is that right?

Btw same question, any speaker brand or model that you can recommend for rock music? Budget preferably below RM2k but willing to top up slightly if there's significant improvement on the sound quality.. Thank u!


I see, based on SSJBen's and your advice, I think I do not need to worry much about damaging the speakers or amp/AVR? Since the human limit will be reached before theirs

I'm eyeing the Denon AVR-S960H now, should be more than sufficient for a long time.

If pair with the above Denon AVR, any speaker brand or model can recommend for rock music? Budget preferably below RM2k but willing to top up slightly if there's significant improvement on the sound quality.. Thank u!

i hope this calculator (link below) will help you. if you are going towards reference level (i normally play my movies at -10 to -7 dB), the AVR actually hits the limit before your ears. speaker sensitivity of 88dB @ 2.83 volts / 1 meter (as an example) is actually hard to drive.
https://www.crownaudio.com/en-US/tools/calc..._power_required

just buy within your current budget. no point of topping up slightly. if you keep on digging the rabbit hole, upgraditis is always there until you hit the pro level. by the time you have learned enough, you might wanna get external amplification and advance eq. i will always prefer an AVR with pre-outs. however, the budget increase is a lot.

ur ear still ok wor.
play so loud my ear sure spoil ady

btw, newbie dunno what is ref level 0db. can u teachs him

rock music is fun. do you have specifically fav instrument in a rock music?
example e-guitar, bass guitar, percussion+ drum set, keyboards

ears still ok. i do hearing test every year. the thing is, i rarely use my HT. not even once a month.

the room makes a big difference i can't even go -15dB in a non-treated room. you also want low distortion from your gears. that annoying loud sound could the distortions you are hearing.

This post has been edited by Skylinestar: May 7 2021, 02:00 PM

Upgraditis ahahaha

I'm reading a lot recently but still couldn't understand amp gain vs volume, reference level, ohm, 1 channel vs 2 channel driven produces diff watts at diff ohms...

Can i say a speaker producing say 80 dB @ 2.83 volt / 1m is harder to drive than another speaker that produces 200 dB @ 2.83 volt / 1m since the same 2.83 volts only produces 80 dB at 1m compared to another that can produce 200 dB? Does that also means looking for a speaker with sensitivity figure as high as possible (how much is high, how low is low though) will be easier for newbie?

Thank u for ur time and kind sharing of ur knowledge and experience, much appreciated~


Haha yaya totally no idea about all those terms... A lil overwhelming now..


Ya I like e-guitars and the drums particularly

see if this helps
https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopic=5046218&hl=


1 channel vs 2 channel driven produces diff watts at diff ohms...... this is common for japanese AVR which there will be a drop of power if you connect more speakers. For eg. x1600h rated 80w for 2 connected speakers.. if you connect more like 5.1 or 5.1.2 then you will experience even lower power output to these speakers. Therefore, its wise to get the best AVR you can afford if you are going for more speakers setup later. If you are getting a x1600h now when u have 7 speakers later you can consider an upgrade of AVR too.

80 dB @ 2.83 volt / 1m is harder to drive than another speaker that produces 200 dB @ 2.83 volt / 1m since the same 2.83 volts only produces 80 dB at 1m if you notice 2.83 v and 1m is the static figure for audio industry.. its just like compare fuel consumption for car.. driver 60kg travel 100km then give u a number of fuel consumption.. all manufacturer uses the same voltage and distance then u will have the reference value call sensitivity to refer to. But dont trust this number 100%, some manufacturer picks the high db for the most effective frequency range and show u the number. Other recommend you buy high sensitivity speakers so that you wont spend too much on the amp power...200db is too much normally ranging from 80db to 95db that is common.

This post has been edited by kevinlim001: May 7 2021, 03:05 PM