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post Jun 20 2016, 08:28 AM

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Alright guys.. For those who are aiming to get the 1.8 with an upgrade to leather (myself included) I've checked with several SCs. A couple of them said that the upgrade isn't possible, while the third SC from Seremban 2 said that it's possible, via a Honda authorized accessories shop. Assembling leather seats, upholstery and garnishing directly from the plant is definitely not possible. Has to be via a third party.

Could be a deal breaker to some. It is to me.
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post Jun 20 2016, 08:31 AM

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QUOTE(Alternation @ Jun 19 2016, 12:43 PM)
Being the 1st owner here sharing his concern, it ain't trivia. Unless down the years some new owner bringing up the same issue which proves the be irrelevant, that u can consider it as trivial.

On the heat topic, knowing japs being japs they prioritize reliability hence the 1.5t's manifold and engine block is water cooled. Quite puzzling to hear that it's quite hot even if it's still break in period.

I've break in plenty of cars in the forms of perodua, proton, vw and so forth but none really differs that much comparing it like-to-like with a broken in engine.

Maybe pigin was having cold sweat when he touched the bonnet ...
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dear all,

want to clarify that the car is NOT overheating.. its just hotter than usual.

totally agree that different engineering can allow products to exhibit differerent behaviour..

much like AMD vs Nvidia (if anyone plays games)

old AMDs run hotter than the competition but that doesn't mean its broken..

over here i'm just sharing what you guys might want to know. NOT to start a flame.


btw.. can't remember who asked this... the glovebox does not have a light.. (but the centre console where you will eventually place your phone has a tiny LED light when its night time) and its a little hard to close sometimes. hope it can be improved in upcoming batches for new owners.

additional findings:
1. the auto lights are very sensitive.still learning on tuning the sensitivity.

2. i managed 10.5 km/l coming to the city today. (econ on) light throttle only.

3. You can remote start AND stop your car using the remote (most will know but its new to me).

can't think of anything so far still half asleep.. will post again later (unless you guys don't want me sharing anymore).



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post Jun 20 2016, 08:38 AM

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QUOTE(pigin @ Jun 20 2016, 08:31 AM)
dear all,

want to clarify that the car is NOT overheating.. its just hotter than usual.

totally agree that different engineering can allow products to exhibit differerent behaviour..

much like AMD vs Nvidia (if anyone plays games)

old AMDs run hotter than the competition but that doesn't mean its broken..

over here i'm just sharing what you guys might want to know. NOT to start a flame.
btw.. can't remember who asked this... the glovebox does not have a light.. (but the centre console where you will eventually place your phone has a tiny LED light when its night time) and its a little hard to close sometimes. hope it can be improved in upcoming batches for new owners.

additional findings:
1. the auto lights are very sensitive.still learning on tuning the sensitivity.

2. i managed 10.5 km/l coming to the city today. (econ on) light throttle only.

3. You can remote start AND stop your car using the remote (most will know but its new to me).

can't think of anything so far still half asleep.. will post again later (unless you guys don't want me sharing anymore).
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It was me who asked about the glove compartment. Thanks for the confirmation - sad about it being omitted, but not really a dealbreaker.

The auto headlights can be adjusted? That's great! My wife's HRV also has auto headlights, but it can't be adjusted - and it's really sensitive too - driving through a short tunnel (1 second drive through) will turn the lights on immediately.

I hope I can get my car this week. My SA promised me I'll get the car within this month biggrin.gif

In the meantime, please continue to share your observations about the car - keeps us excited

This post has been edited by isr25: Jun 20 2016, 08:38 AM
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post Jun 20 2016, 08:46 AM

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pigin manage to find the Easter egg yet?
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post Jun 20 2016, 08:49 AM

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QUOTE(pigin @ Jun 20 2016, 08:31 AM)
dear all,

want to clarify that the car is NOT overheating.. its just hotter than usual.

totally agree that different engineering can allow products to exhibit differerent behaviour..

much like AMD vs Nvidia (if anyone plays games)

old AMDs run hotter than the competition but that doesn't mean its broken..

over here i'm just sharing what you guys might want to know. NOT to start a flame.
btw.. can't remember who asked this... the glovebox does not have a light.. (but the centre console where you will eventually place your phone has a tiny LED light when its night time) and its a little hard to close sometimes. hope it can be improved in upcoming batches for new owners.

additional findings:
1. the auto lights are very sensitive.still learning on tuning the sensitivity.

2. i managed 10.5 km/l coming to the city today. (econ on) light throttle only.

3. You can remote start AND stop your car using the remote (most will know but its new to me).

can't think of anything so far still half asleep.. will post again later (unless you guys don't want me sharing anymore).
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Hello pigin, would like to ask if the usb port under arm rest able to use for carplay / usb stick playback? or it is only for charging?
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post Jun 20 2016, 08:58 AM

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QUOTE(isr25 @ Jun 20 2016, 08:38 AM)
It was me who asked about the glove compartment. Thanks for the confirmation - sad about it being omitted, but not really a dealbreaker.

The auto headlights can be adjusted? That's great! My wife's HRV also has auto headlights, but it can't be adjusted - and it's really sensitive too - driving through a short tunnel (1 second drive through) will turn the lights on immediately.

I hope I can get my car this week. My SA promised me I'll get the car within this month biggrin.gif

In the meantime, please continue to share your observations about the car - keeps us excited
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Just quick check, since your wife is driving HRV, is it under your name too ?

I heard SA mentioned before, if you buy for second Honda Cars (provided first of Honda car under your name), it will get discount RM1000 (bonus for second car with them, something like this.. ), do you have chance to get it ??
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post Jun 20 2016, 08:58 AM

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QUOTE(jimmychangas @ Jun 20 2016, 08:28 AM)
Alright guys.. For those who are aiming to get the 1.8 with an upgrade to leather (myself included) I've checked with several SCs. A couple of them said that the upgrade isn't possible, while the third SC from Seremban 2 said that it's possible, via a Honda authorized accessories shop. Assembling leather seats, upholstery and garnishing directly from the plant is definitely not possible. Has to be via a third party.

Could be a deal breaker to some. It is to me.
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Honda itself does not cover this. What previously people meant the SA will help you bring it out to accessories shop to install the leather. I have been done this many times for my previous car.

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post Jun 20 2016, 08:59 AM

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This incident was reported on 16 June 2016 and was published on Honda Malaysia's FB page by Zaphron Lee:

Dear Honda Malaysia,

We see this as a very serious issue and Honda Malaysia need to read this; We want feedback from Honda Malaysia ASAP!

Incident occurs 16 June 2016 on 12pm at Autoworld Asia Sdn Bhd located at Sg Buloh. My parents own an Honda City and they brought it to service at the above mentioned AUTHORISED SERVICE CENTRE. After being informed that the "SERVICE" for the car is done, my parents went for car collection. We are CHARGED RM600 for the service that should HAVE INCLUDED the following:
1) Changing lubricant & Oil Filter
2) Cleaning the injector
3) Car washing & Vacuum
4) Other maintenance (which didnt state clearly)

My dad happened to put marking on the OLD oil filter and realised that the OIL FILTER is NOT CHANGED !!! AND YET WE PAID FOR IT. After thorough checking on the other items above, the lubricants are not changed as well as it is dirty and in dark color. The injector are not cleaned as dirt stains are still found. The only thing that it has been done is the car washing & vacuum !!!

After a round of arguments with the personnel at work, they have agreed performing all the above work again. And then my parents left the place with unsatisfactory experience.

WE need Honda Malaysia to know and aware of:

1) The employee (do not want to disclose the name), informed that the service manager is outstation and unable to attend to my parents when they are complaining on the issues above; and she claimed that we will be settling this with the service manager on a later date. We do not know whether it is an excuse to stay away from the responsibilities.

2) The receipt, written and signed commenting that "oil filter not changed" is being unfair to us. In fact, the Authorised Service Centres do not perform all the above service. The statement is now VAGUE because of my parents are not well verse in ENGLISH and they do not know what can they do when they faced this.We think that the particular authorised service centre employee are trying to drag this issue to the future and let this issue fade like nobody cares. Yet make use of the weak points of my parents on the weak english and stating ONLY the oil filter not changed.

3) We are not sure how many cars have under-went "SERVICE" like this and this is a very serious safety issues! Yet we have visited the branch quite a number of times and we doubt they really do the service.

4) We entrusted Honda Malaysia and their respective Authorised Dealers/Service Centres to provide quality service and we are really disappointed with this issues. This will affect the good names of Honda Malaysia.

We need Honda Malaysia to :
1) attend to us on this matter
2) give us a proper explanation on this
3) provide a proper ways i.e email for complain purpose (web survey form & call line are useless)
4) perform an investigation on this matter (using the premise cctv as evidence if possible)
5) making sure this will not happen to the other car owners
6) making sure this will not happen in other AUTHORISED SERVICE CENTREs

I, representing my parents, can be reached by cheeyung91@gmail.com and +60182859518 should Honda Malaysia needs additional INFO.

Thank you very much,



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post Jun 20 2016, 09:02 AM

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QUOTE(jimmychangas @ Jun 20 2016, 08:28 AM)
Alright guys.. For those who are aiming to get the 1.8 with an upgrade to leather (myself included) I've checked with several SCs. A couple of them said that the upgrade isn't possible, while the third SC from Seremban 2 said that it's possible, via a Honda authorized accessories shop. Assembling leather seats, upholstery and garnishing directly from the plant is definitely not possible. Has to be via a third party.

Could be a deal breaker to some. It is to me.
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AFAIK there's no such thing as a Honda authorized accessories shop. It's just a shop where the SA has a deal with for a commission or a shop the dealer normally use for accident repairs.

Long time ago when I was a car nOOb I also got conned by this line by the SA.

Also be prepared for life long rattling issues due to loose parts after they take apart factory fitted stuff to install the leather.

cybermaster98
post Jun 20 2016, 09:14 AM

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If you want to install leather, make sure you go to an established shop that deals with mainly high end cars and has a good track record. The price may be higher but at least you reduce the risk of poor workmanship.

I can recommend 1 or 2 shops that deal mainly with BMW customers.
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post Jun 20 2016, 09:15 AM

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QUOTE(unitron @ Jun 20 2016, 09:02 AM)
AFAIK there's no such thing as a Honda authorized accessories shop. It's just a shop where the SA has a deal with for a commission or a shop the dealer normally use for accident repairs.

Long time ago when I was a car nOOb I also got conned by this line by the SA.

Also be prepared for life long rattling issues due to loose parts after they take apart factory fitted stuff to install the leather.
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Then my guess is correct all this while. There's no advantage to Honda Malaysia to offer a leather seat upgrade as an option to 1.8 NA buyer. Will kill the 1.5T variants offering

All this are just SA dealer's own offer
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post Jun 20 2016, 09:15 AM

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QUOTE(unitron @ Jun 20 2016, 09:02 AM)
AFAIK there's no such thing as a Honda authorized accessories shop. It's just a shop where the SA has a deal with for a commission or a shop the dealer normally use for accident repairs.

Long time ago when I was a car nOOb I also got conned by this line by the SA.

Also be prepared for life long rattling issues due to loose parts after they take apart factory fitted stuff to install the leather.
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exactly.
jimmychangas
post Jun 20 2016, 09:16 AM

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QUOTE(unitron @ Jun 20 2016, 09:02 AM)
AFAIK there's no such thing as a Honda authorized accessories shop. It's just a shop where the SA has a deal with for a commission or a shop the dealer normally use for accident repairs.

Long time ago when I was a car nOOb I also got conned by this line by the SA.

Also be prepared for life long rattling issues due to loose parts after they take apart factory fitted stuff to install the leather.
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Well.. I guess we can't trust them all. Haha!
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post Jun 20 2016, 09:17 AM

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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Jun 20 2016, 08:59 AM)
This incident was reported on 16 June 2016 and was published on Honda Malaysia's FB page by Zaphron Lee:

Dear Honda Malaysia,

We see this as a very serious issue and Honda Malaysia need to read this; We want feedback from Honda Malaysia ASAP!

Incident occurs 16 June 2016 on 12pm at Autoworld Asia Sdn Bhd located at Sg Buloh. My parents own an Honda City and they brought it to service at the above mentioned AUTHORISED SERVICE CENTRE. After being informed that the "SERVICE" for the car is done, my parents went for car collection. We are CHARGED RM600 for the service that should HAVE INCLUDED the following:
1) Changing lubricant & Oil Filter
2) Cleaning the injector
3) Car washing & Vacuum
4) Other maintenance (which didnt state clearly)

My dad happened to put marking on the OLD oil filter and realised that the OIL FILTER is NOT CHANGED !!! AND YET WE PAID FOR IT. After thorough checking on the other items above, the lubricants are not changed as well as it is dirty and in dark color. The injector are not cleaned as dirt stains are still found. The only thing that it has been done is the car washing & vacuum !!!

After a round of arguments with the personnel at work, they have agreed performing all the above work again. And then my parents left the place with unsatisfactory experience.

WE need Honda Malaysia to know and aware of:

1) The employee (do not want to disclose the name), informed that the service manager is outstation and unable to attend to my parents when they are complaining on the issues above; and she claimed that we will be settling this with the service manager on a later date. We do not know whether it is an excuse to stay away from the responsibilities.

2) The receipt, written and signed commenting that "oil filter not changed" is being unfair to us. In fact, the Authorised Service Centres do not perform all the above service. The statement is now VAGUE because of my parents are not well verse in ENGLISH and they do not know what can they do when they faced this.We think that the particular authorised service centre employee are trying to drag this issue to the future and let this issue fade like nobody cares. Yet make use of the weak points of my parents on the weak english and stating ONLY the oil filter not changed.

3) We are not sure how many cars have under-went "SERVICE" like this and this is a very serious safety issues! Yet we have visited the branch quite a number of times and we doubt they really do the service.

4) We entrusted Honda Malaysia and their respective Authorised Dealers/Service Centres to provide quality service and we are really disappointed with this issues. This will affect the good names of Honda Malaysia.

We need Honda Malaysia to :
1) attend to us on this matter
2) give us a proper explanation on this
3) provide a proper ways i.e email for complain purpose (web survey form & call line are useless)
4) perform an investigation on this matter (using the premise cctv as evidence if possible)
5) making sure this will not happen to the other car owners
6) making sure this will not happen in other AUTHORISED SERVICE CENTREs

I, representing my parents, can be reached by cheeyung91@gmail.com and +60182859518 should Honda Malaysia needs additional INFO.

Thank you very much,

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Yeah I saw this too. If it's true then Honda Malaysia really has to do something about it.
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post Jun 20 2016, 09:17 AM

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Just book for my car. Want to know, any place i can test drive 1.8? 1.5 turbo for a normal driver like us the feel is there (upgrade from vios) but a bit skeptical with the new engine. If engine always too heaty might not be good for the long run. But i am not in a hurry to get the car so i can wait longer until further review to get 1.8 or 1.5. Difference of 14k is huge though...
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QUOTE(pigin @ Jun 19 2016, 10:57 AM)
sorry i do not know how to respond to multiple quotes.

just gonna answer them rite here.

for the heat:

its NOT like its overheating. just that the engine compartment feels hotter than most cars i've driven.

compared it with n/a's, a supercharged old car (dun ask me what car hehe). my in law's vw's (two of them).

and even the newer bmws with turbo..

alternation might be right. hope its a break in thing.

for the FC:

yes mine is a 1.5T.. have to clarify tho i did a couple half trottle accerelations to 130-140ish.. on all runs with eco mode off. i will "try" to drive normally and give another result..

for the service:
yes.. was told by SA to bring back at 1000km.. but found a screen on the instrument panel that says "Oil life" and it says 9900KM left.. read the manual and it says that it will calculate when u need servicing.. anyways my SA blur blur one i might post and ask on honda malaysia for assisstance on this one.

can anyone tell me how much is the first service goin to cost? website says first service is free but nothing seems to be replaced? can anyone clarify go first service for what??

for the light in compartment. i will check.
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Maybe just drop by for 1000 ask complain the issue probably

QUOTE(jimmychangas @ Jun 20 2016, 08:28 AM)
Alright guys.. For those who are aiming to get the 1.8 with an upgrade to leather (myself included) I've checked with several SCs. A couple of them said that the upgrade isn't possible, while the third SC from Seremban 2 said that it's possible, via a Honda authorized accessories shop. Assembling leather seats, upholstery and garnishing directly from the plant is definitely not possible. Has to be via a third party.

Could be a deal breaker to some. It is to me.
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QUOTE(loneboy62 @ Jun 20 2016, 08:58 AM)
Honda itself does not cover this. What previously people meant the SA will help you bring it out to accessories shop to install the leather. I have been done this many times for my previous car.
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QUOTE(unitron @ Jun 20 2016, 09:02 AM)
AFAIK there's no such thing as a Honda authorized accessories shop. It's just a shop where the SA has a deal with for a commission or a shop the dealer normally use for accident repairs.

Long time ago when I was a car nOOb I also got conned by this line by the SA.

Also be prepared for life long rattling issues due to loose parts after they take apart factory fitted stuff to install the leather.
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Wonder the airbag still covered if Change the leather yourself

hM very strict with 3rd party tinting as well
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post Jun 20 2016, 09:25 AM

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1.8 have electronic seat? if have then changing the seat will void warranty as it is consider tampering with wiring...
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post Jun 20 2016, 09:27 AM

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QUOTE(barrylin @ Jun 20 2016, 09:17 AM)
Just book for my car. Want to know, any place i can test drive 1.8? 1.5 turbo for a normal driver like us the feel is there (upgrade from vios) but a bit skeptical with the new engine. If engine always too heaty might not be good for the long run. But i am not in a hurry to get the car so i can wait longer until further review to get 1.8 or 1.5. Difference of 14k is huge though...
Like I said earlier, the heat issue is a non issue for the moment. Asking a million times wont provide any solutions. Turbo cars generally give off more heat than a NA engine. That's a fact. U cannot compare the heat discharge between a turbo vs a normal Vios for example.

There are more than enough reviews out there on the internet for u to read. And just cuz 100 owners on LYN don't experience an over heating engine over the next 6 months doesn't mean there wont be one in the future. You might be the first to experience it 1 year down the line. So waiting is not a logical move unless u're doing it for financial reasons or to compare other makes. The wait list now is already 3-4 months.

I booked a 1.8L for my wife cuz the specs were top class and we don't need 2 turbo's in the family especially since the Honda version is a soft turbo. So I wasn't prepared to spend 14K more. If ure not someone who enjoys a fast drive often enough, I suggest u stick to the 1.8L.
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post Jun 20 2016, 09:29 AM

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QUOTE(chamelion @ Jun 20 2016, 09:25 AM)
1.8 have electronic seat? if have then changing the seat will void warranty as it is consider tampering with wiring...
Yes all variants have powered seats and nobody is changing the seat. Only the leather is installed.
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post Jun 20 2016, 09:31 AM

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QUOTE(sj0217 @ Jun 20 2016, 08:58 AM)
Just quick check, since your wife is driving HRV, is it under your name too ?

I heard SA mentioned before, if you buy for second Honda Cars (provided first of Honda car under your name), it will get discount RM1000 (bonus for second car with them, something like this.. ), do you have chance to get it ??
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Nope, under wife's name. Never heard about this promotion though, but I am getting a discount from my dealer as my previous City & Civic was also bought from them rclxms.gif

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