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jimmychangas
post Jun 15 2016, 10:14 AM

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Good morning dear sifus,

I'm looking to getting a new car, and the new Civic is basically the choice now. Just that haven't decided on the engine choice.

I ain't no engine expert, so I've been asking around for opinions. People have been telling me that the turbo engine would most likely encounter maintenance issues somewhere down the line, not to mention increased fuel consumption. Basically, the good old 1.8 is the way to go.

Would like to seek the golden advice from you sifus. Many thanks in advance... smile.gif
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post Jun 15 2016, 10:35 AM

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QUOTE(lyc1982 @ Jun 15 2016, 10:17 AM)
i believe TC car requires more maintenance (more $ spent) compared to NA car..
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I mean, if you look at VW TSI.... Hahaha
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post Jun 15 2016, 10:37 AM

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QUOTE(cricketboy @ Jun 15 2016, 10:20 AM)
you save some $ on roadtax for 1.5T
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Yeah, RM90 compared to RM270 on the 1.8. But the price difference between the two is about 14k. Seems like able to save more with the 1.8

But, dang it, I really love those killer LED headlamps. So much so that I really want them. If only Honda allows customization order, i.e. LED headlamps on the 1.8S hahahaha
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post Jun 15 2016, 10:50 AM

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QUOTE(Alternation @ Jun 15 2016, 10:37 AM)
1.8l: 6.3 litres per 100 km (15.9 km/l)
1.5t: 5.8 litres per 100 km (17.2 km/l)

1.5t has lower fuel consumption but higher bhp and torque.

So far maintenance cost is just slightly more than 1.8l.
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It does look good from this point. But is it good enough to justify the extra 14k to get the mid spec 1.5TC? What are your 2 cents?
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post Jun 15 2016, 11:26 AM

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QUOTE(hihihehe @ Jun 15 2016, 11:04 AM)
is either go all out or go home whistling.gif
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I wish I could, but budget constraints sad.gif

QUOTE(Drian @ Jun 15 2016, 11:13 AM)
I do think the turbo should be reliable enough, the civic was about launched 8 months earlier in the US and there wasn't any complaints.
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Come to think of it, yeah. But their turbo unit is different from ours; theirs haven't got the VTEC technology. We have.

QUOTE(cricketboy @ Jun 15 2016, 11:17 AM)
you are decided on your own, anyway new civic are nice!
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Yeah... I'm gonna go and have a look this weekend, perhaps a test drive as well. Users here mentioned that the 1.8 can have a leather upgrade to have the dash, door trims and the armrest to be fitted with leather. If it's true then maybe I'll just get the 1.8 upgraded with leather biggrin.gif
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post Jun 15 2016, 01:54 PM

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QUOTE(a.h.wan @ Jun 15 2016, 01:06 PM)
same tech. they just omitted the vtec name for us market.
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I see. I don't mind not having the turbo, but if only HM allows me to have the 1.8 with leather and LED headlamps upgrade. Oh well.
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post Jun 15 2016, 02:21 PM

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QUOTE(cricketboy @ Jun 15 2016, 02:12 PM)
i don't think they will allow you to upgrade the LED headlamps, but leather seat maybe ok.
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That's a bummer. But still, can upgrade to leather seats not too bad.

QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Jun 15 2016, 02:18 PM)
Has anybody successfully agreed with any Honda dealer to upgrade their 1.8L seats & panels to leather?
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I scrolled back a bit in this forum, some dude mentioned that for about 3k you can upgrade the seats and panels to leather. Is the 1.8S all plastic in the interior?

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post Jun 15 2016, 02:56 PM

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QUOTE(Makakeke @ Jun 15 2016, 02:54 PM)
The SA quoted me RM3K to change the door panels, seats, etc to leather. Whether it's the same leather as the 1.5T i'm not sure.
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May I know which branch is it?
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post Jun 15 2016, 03:00 PM

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QUOTE(Fasha1993 @ Jun 15 2016, 02:58 PM)
if u have money then buy it..why complains so much liao
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Relax dude. I'm just trying to gather info.
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post Jun 15 2016, 05:05 PM

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QUOTE(davidletterboyz @ Jun 15 2016, 04:49 PM)
What's wrong with you? He's just gathering info. Some people simply doesn't like the turbo throttle response but like the leather interior.
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Appreciate your backing, man. Anyway, I hold no grudges, but still, thanks smile.gif

QUOTE(loneboy62 @ Jun 15 2016, 04:59 PM)
Confirmed from Honda, Leather seat, Door Panel all those can be installed with 1.8 as optional, but the leather seat is slightly better, can have dual tone and grip. LED is only for premium and no custom installation. They said can ask other accessories shop but currently does not have.
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Thanks for the confirmation! It pretty much seals up the decision to get the 1.8 with leather now. Over in Thailand though, people are able to rig their Civics with the LED headlamps for like, RM3k after converted. Hoping that one comes to Malaysia soon.
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post Jun 15 2016, 05:31 PM

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QUOTE(esdome @ Jun 15 2016, 05:24 PM)
The sales person told me not to upgrade the headlamps outside as it will void the warranty.
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True. Well, perhaps rigging it after 5 years can be a good idea. Gives it a nice fresh look after 5 years biggrin.gif
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post Jun 16 2016, 09:20 AM

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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Jun 15 2016, 09:24 PM)
1.8S interior is soft touch materials and the fabric. Not too bad actually. Just the fabric gives a bit of a cheapo feel to the overall cabin.
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Can't wait to feel the interior quality this coming weekend! biggrin.gif
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post Jun 17 2016, 10:20 AM

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I'm just afraid of the FC of the turbo; it might get even more thirstier than the NA one.
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post Jun 17 2016, 12:13 PM

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QUOTE(wkc5657 @ Jun 17 2016, 10:57 AM)
Don't compare it against city/vios/civic 1.8L la...confirm more one, should be close to 2.0L petrol consumption if you drive normally. Only if you very light foot, then fuel consumption would be closer to what was advertised.
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So that means... The 1.5T would consume fuel like a 2.0NA under normal circumstances eh.
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post Jun 17 2016, 12:35 PM

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QUOTE(Jeffreynsx @ Jun 17 2016, 12:23 PM)
It will consumed more for 1.5T as compare with 2.0 NA engine. Average can get 8.XX km/l for normal cruising.
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8km per litre doesn't look good man... That's like barely 19MPG
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post Jun 17 2016, 04:52 PM

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QUOTE(Jeffreynsx @ Jun 17 2016, 04:50 PM)
Being low will get scratch from the bottom of the car. Side wall being hit is due to manoeuvre in a tight corner in parking bay due to long wheelbase.
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I thought the wheelbase is the same as the FD's.
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post Jun 17 2016, 10:51 PM

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QUOTE(Aeon_Clock @ Jun 17 2016, 09:34 PM)
I'm no pro...still doing my research on cars with Turbo. These things appears to need to be running in a more 'warmed up' condition compared to N/A cars - requiring careful, low RPM driving. By how much, was not mentioned - it varies based on size of turbo, and such. The Honda has a single-scroll turbocharger creating 16.5 PSI boost (what this means I have no idea yet). These T-Cars also appear to be better when running longer distance and not so favorable in city-traffic-jam driving because of the heat produced by the Turbo.

There are websites called Consumer Reports that do extensive research on Turbo cars that confirm the fuel consumption on T-Cars are absolutely horsesh1t. Lots of articles say the same. But I would state that this is completely controlled by the drivers right foot.

Maintenance wise, definitely more expensive compared to the N/A cars - requires more frequent oil and spark plug changes. Turbo has more parts so there are more items to replace when it goes - such as the intercooler. But you won't feel much the first 10 years of use if you look after it.

Final word - turbos of the olden days (less than 10 years ago) were a nightmare especially for abt 5% of the consumers. But modern technology is vastly more advanced in recent years making it more reliable than before. With mass production, replacement for turbo parts (for if and when it goes for our Honda Civics) will be cheaper than now. There is no problem with buying the Turbo car but do not neglect the maintenance or you will suffer - you best learn some maintenance techniques yourselves and don't depend on the Honda mechanics because I have yet to question their training and experience on Turbo car maintenance. There is no need to worry below the 100k mileage mark, its the 'after' that you need to worry.
finally, one person worries about the CVT. When you combine this pretty much new technology with the Turbo, it not only puts additional stress on the machine but also reliability issues into the mix. Turbos add stress onto everything - gearbox, spark plug, oil, tyres, AND brakes.

Would you put your money on two new technologies by Honda especially when the CVT on the Honda does not have good reviews overseas?

Lots of people think that Turbos are a cheap (but probably only) solution by the companies to achieve the target made by CAFE (Corporate Average Fuel Economy) standards. One by one, each US company starts putting turbo in their cars and others follow. Let's just hope that they care about us and do not act like Volkswagon and Mitsubishi.

No matter what, please do enjoy your car. Its a beautiful car and I'm never interested in Malaysian cars until I saw this fella thumbup.gif
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I'm actually still in the dilemma choosing between the 1.8 NA and the 1.5 Turbo. I don't drive like Jeremy Clarkson, but more like James May, captain slow. I do however tend to go "heavy foot" mode in order to reach 110kmh on highways. I need to know which would be more fuel efficient in the long run.

Based on what you have said, does it imply that the 1.8 would be cheaper to run, in the long run?

It's because I'm most likely going to use this car until... Well, you get the idea. I don't really fancy the idea of getting bombarded by high maintenance and fuel costs for the Turbo sometime down the line, even though the road tax would be a slim RM90 anually.
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post Jun 17 2016, 11:23 PM

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QUOTE(shinchan^^ @ Jun 17 2016, 11:02 PM)
If don't want take any risk. 1.8 is the best for u perhaps a ill upgrade to leather seat
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Yeah, currently eyeing on that combo. And then maybe retrofit the LED headlamps after 5 years for a fresh look. Haha!
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post Jun 18 2016, 12:01 AM

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QUOTE(shinchan^^ @ Jun 17 2016, 11:56 PM)
Guys which is the  best place to test drive so far?
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I might be going to Seremban 2 tomorrow. It's quite huge, judging by the size of it looking from the NSE
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post Jun 18 2016, 03:07 PM

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Just came back from test driving the car. I've made some observations in scrutiny on both the 1.8 and the Turbo. Here's what I found lah:

1. The fabric interior in the 1.8 isn't really that bad, but as what others have been saying, the centre console does look cheap wrapped with the fabric.
2. Upholstery on the dashboard is generally good; with a good blend of hard and soft plastics. Not to mention the aluminum trim on the Turbo. Door panels are equally good; with both top and bottom of the door panels are soft to the touch.
3. Seating in the new Civic is damn low. I'm 6 ft 2 in and I can definitely tell immediately once ingress into the car. With the seats adjusted to the lowest, once I sit in the distance between my head and the ceiling is okay, not touching. Unless I have a spiked hairstyle. The centre console, with the gear lever, is higher than other cars. It's probably because I had the seat adjusted to the lowest. Could be a different experience for those who adjust higher.
4. Back seats are generally good also; not too cramped for a tall guy like me. In other cars I had to slide my arse out a lot so that my head doesn't touch the ceiling. In the Civic though, I only had to slide out a little bit, maybe it's because of the low seating position at the back.

On to the driving experience:
1. Visibility is not bad. Side mirrors are adequate, the rear view is a bit cramped though, probably due to the fast back design. But at the front, I can actually see the 2 edges on the bonnet, left and right. Something new to me.
2. Power delivery is... Linear would be the best word to describe. I've driven VW TSIs and the new Civic is nothing like those. But keep in mind that it is definitely no slouch. It is still quick; I drive like James May and I am very satisfied with the power. And when I needed to temporary enable "Jeremy Clarkson" mode, it just goes. Turbo lag is present, but very minimal.
3. The test drive route consisted mainly of straights and 2 roundabouts. So no chance to try on bends and stuffs. Sound insulation is good; I have a CX-5 as a family car and the sound insulation on both are comparable, perhaps better on the Civic. Just my 2 cents.
4. Only thing is that when floored, that turbo engine really wants to be heard. And it's quite a great roar. And then after settling down to 110kmh, it goes quiet, just the way I would expect from a quiet and comfy car.

I was originally aiming for the 1.8, now I officially kena poisoned already. Hot damn.


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