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post Apr 29 2016, 01:23 PM

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Between the upcoming 1.5T Civic vs 1.5T Ford Focus...

I think the Focus would be better.
Too bad I don't quite trust Ford service centre and parts pricing/availability in the long term.
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post May 3 2016, 10:02 AM

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QUOTE(romuluz777 @ May 2 2016, 03:22 PM)
Even if the R18 is a decade old, I'm sure Honda has done some fine tuning and tweaked the internals for better efficiency and performance.
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I doubt any change to the engine internals.. maybe exhaust and intake runner change only and slight tweak to the ECU map
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post May 19 2016, 11:19 AM

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QUOTE(lotiman2003 @ May 19 2016, 09:35 AM)
The new civic no shark fin antenna and utilizing other method (printed on rear windows)? Will this other method as good as normal antenna?
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7th gen Civic using small antenna at the rear windscreen. No problem with reception for me.
Of course I suspect those car with the olden days telescopic antennas have the best reception.

I prefer it that way... keep the car lines clean... with no ugly antennas
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post Jun 3 2016, 09:36 AM

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QUOTE(ZeroSP @ Jun 3 2016, 02:29 AM)
To clear up the issue, you may combine A and B into one service, but you may not skip the B. (B is the important one)

Anyway, the system is there to advise you for service based on driving/usage. I will leave the doubts of SC simply want to have you do more service to those who wanna debate it. Those who booked their car, your SA will explain to you in detail.
P/S: Bonus, the Civic X alarm system comes with a tilt sensor. Not sure how it could help.
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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Jun 3 2016, 08:43 AM)

I'm actually not happy that Honda has followed this route. This is NOT good news.

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I agree.. Idiot move by Honda to suck more $$$ from owner.

For sure need to connect to their OBD2 tool to re-set the service reminder light right ?
So bye2 to servicing the car at your own workshop unless you have the OBD2 scan tool equipped with the function.
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post Jun 3 2016, 11:37 AM

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QUOTE(ZeroSP @ Jun 3 2016, 09:42 AM)
Well it's easy, just don't buy it. Buy whichever car you like. VW, Ford, Toyota whatever, many salesman are lurking in this thread anyway.

Leave it to SA for the exact Q&A. I am only getting info from last day training staff.
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thanks captain obvious

QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Jun 3 2016, 10:00 AM)
The point is you don't need to ask anybody to buy anything. Its up to the individual what he or she wishes to buy. U don't need to state that. We all know that. Nobody is gonna decide against buying a particular vehicle ONLY because of the servicing.

Again the purpose of this thread is to have a mature debate about the new Civic....good or bad.  biggrin.gif
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thanks for being the more mature person, cool man, dun mind the kiddies..

and I do put a lot of weightage in cost and ease of maintenance of a car in my purchase decision.
Since I do a lot of it myself and not just pay $$$ to service centre and get charged exorbitant fees for essentially going through a checklist but not doing the job listed on it. (Hence one reason why they don't want customers in the service area)

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post Jun 7 2016, 04:08 PM

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fuyoh... semua tayar mahal2....
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post Jun 8 2016, 09:10 AM

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To any SA lurking around here... just an idea if any customer ask about a recent post about engine/turbo overheating issue with the new Civic.

Just provide a free chicken and ask customer to put in engine bay. In this way if the engine overheat, the customer can enjoy a roast chicken while waiting for it to cool down.

Please note, cooking time may vary depending on choice of poultry.

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post Jun 14 2016, 03:24 PM

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QUOTE(celciuz @ Jun 14 2016, 01:35 PM)
Well, most of the time if my battery go dead it is when I try to start it. Which means if no battery, needs towing or etc how to release the brakes?

Most likely have solution to it, was wondering if any knows? Or unless if not enough to start engine but still can release parking brake then is different story.
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Battery not enough power to crank engine is not same as totally dead battery.
When u cannot start the car, it just mean not enough power to crank the engine, everything else still work mah.

QUOTE(hihihehe @ Jun 14 2016, 02:22 PM)
kinda stupid question but does the jump start still work with push start button?
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You just need to power the starter motor and crank the engine... whether it's activated by turning the key, hot wiring the car, or push start button it doesn't matter. It's basically a glorified switch.
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post Jun 15 2016, 05:38 PM

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QUOTE(l2k @ Jun 15 2016, 04:28 PM)
I think some people here should get over the VTEC stuff.... Ever since Honda lauched the R series engine, the real VTEC (eg: the B16A series with cam lobe to switch between low and high cam) was gone. It's all about fuel efficiency, low end torque and tight emission control now. It's no longer the 8500 rpm redline rev friendly, high pitch sounding engine. Usually the engine designer has certain specification to meet (HP, torque, emission) and it is up to them to employ the most efficient way to meet the spec and if the spec is met, why put in more stuff to make the engine more complex?

As far as I know:
1.0 VTEC turbo: DOHC DUAL VTC + INTAKE VTEC
1.5 VTEC turbo: DOHC DUAL VTC
2.0 VTEC turbo: DOHC DUAL VTC + EXHAUST VTEC

As long as the HP and torque figure stays the same as in US / other market, it means Honda did not detune the engine for Malaysia.
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The 2.0L not using high lift cam for both intake/exhaust ?

I assume it's the new Type-R 2.0L turbo engine right. Then the VTEC high cam should be for both intake/exhaust.

http://world.honda.com/CIVIC/video/VTEC-TURBO/

Too bad from the video link above I only can see one of the camshaft... and it's the exhaust cam from the configuration. So I can only assume the intake cam also have the high lift cam
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post Jun 15 2016, 08:50 PM

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QUOTE(l2k @ Jun 15 2016, 05:53 PM)
I read it here http://hondanews.eu/eu/en/cars/media/press...da-civic-type-r

"VTEC varies the degree of exhaust valve lift to reduce turbo lag through increased exhaust pressure at lower rpm while delivering a high output at higher rpm"
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phew... long read. skipped most of it except the engine part.

Looks like I will need to see image of the valvetrain with both camshafts visible to be able to confirm on the intake side.

However do make sense I guess, since it's forced induction, higher valve lift on intake side may not be needed.

But I do know turbocharging the current K20A can get >700 hp in extreme mods and the current K20A has high lift cams on both intake and exhaust. (not to be confused with K20A3, K20Zx in non Type-R)
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post Jun 17 2016, 10:03 AM

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QUOTE(Aeon_Clock @ Jun 17 2016, 02:24 AM)
hmm...looks like nobody is worried about the long-term maintenance/repairs on the Turbo...
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QUOTE(romuluz777 @ Jun 17 2016, 08:59 AM)
I think there's nothing to worry about when there is a set maintenance program and warranty coverage for the new car. As long as the owner religiously follows the schedule it should be fine. That being said, the maintenance costs of running a turbocharged car should be marginally higher.
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Not yet... since long term reliability in our weather is yet to be confirmed.

I don't plan on using the car as a shuttle between home and the workshop, so I'll let all the eager beavers here become Honda willing experimental subjects. laugh.gif
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post Jun 20 2016, 09:02 AM

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QUOTE(jimmychangas @ Jun 20 2016, 08:28 AM)
Alright guys.. For those who are aiming to get the 1.8 with an upgrade to leather (myself included) I've checked with several SCs. A couple of them said that the upgrade isn't possible, while the third SC from Seremban 2 said that it's possible, via a Honda authorized accessories shop. Assembling leather seats, upholstery and garnishing directly from the plant is definitely not possible. Has to be via a third party.

Could be a deal breaker to some. It is to me.
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AFAIK there's no such thing as a Honda authorized accessories shop. It's just a shop where the SA has a deal with for a commission or a shop the dealer normally use for accident repairs.

Long time ago when I was a car nOOb I also got conned by this line by the SA.

Also be prepared for life long rattling issues due to loose parts after they take apart factory fitted stuff to install the leather.

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post Jun 20 2016, 09:37 AM

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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Jun 20 2016, 09:29 AM)
Yes all variants have powered seats and nobody is changing the seat. Only the leather is installed.
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Even more reason if you want leather, either get it factory fitted or a shop with personnel who really know what they are doing with proven track record.
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post Jun 20 2016, 01:31 PM

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QUOTE(DigitalMop @ Jun 20 2016, 09:51 AM)
extra 14k for a turbo 1.5 spec, why not get the 1.8  n turbo it, instead of spend 14k on soft turbo, u can get a real turbo for 9k, the rest of the money spend on better brake pads
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You obviously hasn't camped in workshops long enough trying to solve simple issues of aftermarket parts not working properly, not fitting properly, to totally not working and having to spend extra $$$ with the car being on display in the workshop for people to store things inside and for being a deluxe rat hotel.

QUOTE(hihihehe @ Jun 20 2016, 10:17 AM)
you mean the brake? yep, they using bulb

btw, how's the reverse camera? many people said the reverse camera will be blurish especially after raining
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ya... can't avoid it... wipe dry ler.
You try using camera in the rain. See if can avoid totally the lens getting wet.

QUOTE(wkc5657 @ Jun 20 2016, 10:23 AM)
Well, no surprises on this as those additional bumper lips are secured using 3M double sided tape only  laugh.gif

I once was at a showroom witnessing a car waiting for delivery but in the process on putting on body kits. The truth is, it is done will whole load of double sided tape with a handful of screws  rclxms.gif  rclxms.gif
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Spoiler need screws for sure, if you don't want to become a mass murderer... otherwise if tape only confirm will fly away one day.. hitting a motorcyclist killing him then ricocheting into another car windscreen, decapitating him, and killing the entire family in the car, which then spin out of control causing an express bus to crash killing everyone inside... soon enough you have an 18 vehicles piles up with over 100 dead... all because you're an idiot for using double side tape only.

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post Jun 20 2016, 10:54 PM

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QUOTE(dares @ Jun 20 2016, 02:01 PM)
You two writing for the next Final Destination movie ka?
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At speed >200km/h... heck even ~180 km/h, any parts not properly secured will come off.
I had my share of parts starting to come off, luckily not until "missing" because it's a missile.

QUOTE(gbcsk @ Jun 20 2016, 02:57 PM)
Hi, for those who have started driving the new Civic, have you tried having full passenger load to go over bumps and get into multi-storey car parks, any issue on hitting the bottom ? The ground clearance for new Civic seems to as low as my previous Wira, I remember those days when I drove Wira with taking 4 passengers, going over bumps always hit the bottom. Worried about the same could happen to new Civic.
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Wira stock suspension so soft.
Heck... my lowered Civic has better speed bump clearance compared to stock Wira or even the Camry

QUOTE(hamrog @ Jun 20 2016, 03:01 PM)
Almost died laughing. Ppl here very imaginative smile.gif
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No fun when you hit stuff on the highway... too many times I had repair bills because of it.
Just imagine the havoc it can cause in extreme cases. biggrin.gif

QUOTE(mytaffeta @ Jun 20 2016, 09:47 PM)
managed to test drive 1.5T.. power so umppphhhhhhhh..

SA told me modulo kit wont lower the car..
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Hehe.. I want to know how it compare to DC5 or FD2R. thumbup.gif

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post Jun 21 2016, 12:32 AM

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QUOTE(Moonflown @ Jun 21 2016, 12:13 AM)
Guys urgently need your opinion on this.

1. Does it matter on which SA I book the car from? Let's say A recommended by a friend while B offer better discount.

2. Does SA after sales service matter? Or I just need to go to a service centre that is credible if the SA not helping.

3. I can service my car at any Honda SC if its under warranty right?
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1) go with the one with the better discount.

2) Once the SA has made the sale, you're pretty much on your own. You deal with the service advisor people after that, not the sales agent.. of course some helpful agent will continue to help, but do know that is not his/her job.

3) Yes you can.. choose the one most convenient to you, friendly staff, etc, etc...

 

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