the gemilai 3200D is not a pressurized espresso machine ya... I'll try it out and see how it goes.

Yes Dankoff is a big reputable brand in Malaysia. Lamarsa is another
LaMarsa

The C2 is actually a very very good grinder. I doubt anything in RM500 range will even get near it. I'll go crazy and say buy a drill to use with it might actually surpass everything available out there

700ml brew roughly uses like 45g coffee? The C2 grinds pretty fast so that's maybe about 2-3mins of work?

Even with V60 v2, that dose will be pushing the brew device. The large dose actually diminishes the possibility of consistency and might actually promote more channeling as you can't really even out the middle section unlike espresso with tamping.
That will likely cancel out the benefits you get from a better grinder

I'll suggest saving up further and jump directly to the next bracket instead. The fellow Ode goes for RM1500+ and upgradable to SSP burrs for future-proofing

This post has been edited by ymeng85: Apr 8 2021, 10:55 AM

Hi Guys,

Im hunting for new grinder max budget 1.5k...
anyone use baratza Sette 30? is it worth compareing to mignon?

TIA

G-IOTA DF64.

This one getting a ton of attention these days haha

Sette 270 at least...30 grind size adjustments would be too gross

this one local brand rite?

270 overbudget bro... 30 not good for the price?

China actually. But I believe a local distributor is handling the local sales
Forgotten who, will let the others chime in

The grinding performance of the Sette30 is decent. It just depends on what kind of user you are cos 30 adjustment range is actually way too wide variance to properly dial in a coffee
If you're ok will subpar calibrations then sure, save the extra $$

J Coffee Equipment Enterprise

oh..thx bro..how much is tat?

Would anyone here be interested in a Used Simonelli Appia 2 Espresso Coffee Machine?

New price around 15k
Used one less than half.

I'd listen to what lowkl and the others are trying to tell you. But, you seem to have made up your mind already and have some preconceived notions regarding what is needed for good espresso. In that case, just ignore the collective wisdom of the sifus in this thread and go ahead with whatever you think is right.

All the best to you.

Brew & bread roast a number of COE's coffee.

Bit hard to find more info on them.

https://beanshipper.com/collections/the-wor...c-lime-coe-2019

https://beanshipper.com/collections/the-wor...=39295323701345


try to google only Beanshipper results come back.

What info are you looking for?

The El Paraiso series, you can google as Paraiso Limone will get you more results
The whole series, Limone, Flor Lichi, Poppy Mint are just lot names given by Berg Wu when he visited to source for his team's national barista championships

hey guys!

sorry i'm a total noob here. I mainly make filtered coffee (v60/aeropress).
and wanna delve into espresso.

is the gemilai 3605 a good beginner machine to start with? it's pretty popular here I see? of should I save bit more for a gaggia classic pro? (but it's kinda hard to find here ??? i dunno) any suggestion?

budget 1 to 1.5k

I'm currently using timemore chestnut slim. dunno can make good espresso o not.


tamped with bottom canister, lol


still got inconsistency i see when zoomed in:



what do you guys think? tq

Yup. C2 is amazing and I can grind 42g daily every morning for 700ml. I believe it took about 4 mins since I always had it on slightly finer setting like 12 click for the slight bitterness.
I will and still enjoy the C2 but wishing for an easier solution for my parents since they don't really have good arms in their age. Fellow Ode is definitely pushing my budget. (It's like my dream grinder ever since it came out. Looks damn beautiful too)

But if you say it's diminishing even for better grinder, then isn't a fellow ode not gonna do much since I am always going for big doses? Confused.
It was kinda my main reason for a low budget too since I only wanted an easy option for my family

Thanks for the insight about the big brew dose. Kinda interested to retry again for small standard doses. It's been a while since I brew a cup for myself haha

okies, thanks for info.

Wording it is hard but essentially most people brew in like 200-300ml volumes so dealing mostly with 15-20g doses so you will see most reviews out there are done with these parameters

When you overload the brewer, what i mean by diminishing returns is that the inconsistencies from a large dose brew bed interaction with water will negate whatever good consistencies you manage to get from your awesome grinder
The problem comes from clogging of the paper filter as well as bad temperature stability (top of brew bed is going to be much cooler than the bottom-most) etc

Brewing 700ml is almost what we call as batch brewing and in that case, you have to discount the quality of the results. You will most definitely be dealing with uneven extractions unless you go the french press route

If you would like to keep to this brewing practice, just go with the cheapest burr grinder you can get in this case and spend the money on better beans instead

If you want to take advantage of better grinder (less fines, cleaner cup), maybe try brewing in smaller batches -OR- maybe cold brew?

It's not that simple, as I keep saying, there is a sizeable community of us whereby they can't get a acceptable grinder, due to various valid reasons
1) Kitchen space
2) Preparation and maintenance time
3) Cost, for the sake of discussion, let's agree that any grinders < RM 500 to be unsuitable for grinding consistently. I think you'll need a minimum ZD16 grinder? Around RM600.
4) There's a lot of users out there who is using subpar grinders, < RM 200 grinders out there.

For those that fall into the above categories, we just need to work within the constraints of what's available to us, and I feel that's where pre-ground coffee by your roastery can be acceptable. I'm not talking about buying pre-ground from tesco etc... where their 'pre-ground' is not intended for expresso machines at all.

Don't just keep saying must use grinder, must use grinder, as it may only encourage more people to buy subpar grinders, which I think we all should agree is worst for the end result.

In my own research on this topic, my general idea to solve the problem for people like me is

1) Buy maybe 200g from a reputable roastery, preferably your own neighborhood roasters, tell them to grind for expresso machine. You get the benefit of customizable grind size, as you build the relationship with them
2) Ask them to take note of their 'extra fine' grind size, if they're experienced, their 'extra fine' should fall within +- 10% of your machine's,
3) Pull your shots, if it's over extracted (too fine) -0.x to 3g to your recipe. It's its under extracted +0.x to 3g to your recipe.
4) Repeat until you get a shot that's acceptable, (due to our constraints, we accept the tradeoff for time, cost, convenience against the perfect shots)
4a) If the +- of grams don't work, then you can +- temperature of your expresso machine, (if it's programmable)
5) Note down that their current grind setting is too fine or too coarse.
6) Go back to them to tune their grind a bit more for you the next batch of pre-ground.
Rinse and repeat few packets, and eventually, you'll get to a point where, the pre-groud is good enough.


While I appreciate and I do understand why we should grind, (I've used grinders before) there's just those of us who can't and we need to do the next best thing that's available to us, telling us we should grind our own, or how each pack of new beans need to be dialed in, that's not gonna work, or worst, it encourages subpar grinder purchases.

I'll go ahead with my plans and see how it works out, if it does end up with an acceptable shot, this is something that I feel could really improve the experience for a lot out there, especially those that are currently grinding with subpar grinders (those ~RM 100 ish grinders that I see a lot is using)

This post has been edited by eltaria: Apr 11 2021, 07:58 AM

hi guys, im new in this coffee machine and grinder world.

just want to ask u guys, between raccea 60mm(auto) and 1zpresso jx pro(manual), which one is better ya? the raccea use flat burr while the jxpro use conical burr. the price also different. raccea around rm400 and jxpro rm720.

my budget for espresso machine around rm1k and ive been eyeing for the delonghi dedica. or got other suggestion?

im planning use the grinder for espresso and v60. which one worth the money ya?

thanks sifu

Gemilai CRM3605 is not too bad I guess.

If you want a superior espresso at around 1k budget, can consider Flair classic manual espresso maker. Of course need more manual labor, but manual espresso machine requires ZERO maintenance, compared to machine (aside from normal clean up).

Both Grinders that you mentioned are capable of grinding for espresso and filter. depends on your preference if you prefer manual grinder or motorized one.

So either CRM3605 + Raccea or Flair Classic + JXpro.

But a warning, espresso brewing can be quite frustrating even for those with high end machine and grinders