Hi Coffee lovers! Especially Poemia users or future Poemia owners.

Made a short video pulling 2 shots with the Saeco Poemia using non pressurized portafilter

My daily coffee dosage is 16gm of beans to 35-45ml of espresso in 27 seconds.

For Lattes the ratio will be 1:3 ratio.

Grinder used China/Akira M520A/Yangchia600N , 2 notches before the burrs hit each other. 1 notch before will choke the Poemia.

Cheers!



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This post has been edited by skitZo`: Apr 27 2016, 11:16 PM

Latte like invented by American
Italian don't do latte
The standard ratio very loose 1:3 to 1:5.

http://www.home-barista.com/tips/proper-es...tes-t29623.html

A lot of chart shows 1:5
http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/espresso-chart_n_3247215.html

Those definition on latte and flat white not super clear cut
http://www.cnn.com/2015/01/05/travel/what-...t-white-coffee/

This post has been edited by patryn33: Apr 28 2016, 04:51 AM

What's a double ristretto pull from 18g?
Ristretto on 18g is like 15 ml liquid. Double ristretto is double the liquid?

Or pulling 2 ristretto from 18g so total is 36g coffee used?

This post has been edited by patryn33: Apr 28 2016, 07:18 AM

Does anyone know where to send coffee machine for repair?

assuming he's going for the standard ratio of 1:2

means 18 grams of extracted weight from 18 grams of coffee instead of 36 grams

Double shot is use with ~18-14g of coffee to extract 2oz or ~60ml or 60g over 30secs.

ristretto Is 1:2 ratio isn't extracting 14-18g of coffee to 1oz of liquid? 18g of extraction is ~18ml closer to 1:4 ratio for a double ristretto

Sorry I still clear as mud, the explanation here is extracting for 15secs to yield 30ml of liquid or one shot.
Single ristretto is 15sec to yield 15ml with 14-18g of coffee. Guess it got to do with time and flow rate
http://www.perfectdailygrind.com/2015/06/e...o-vs-ristretto/

Here a ristretto is 7g of coffee to extract 0.75 ounce of liquid.
http://www.gocoffeego.com/professor-peaber...espresso-drinks

Double ristretto is double shot of coffee to yield 1-1.5oz of liquid
http://www.espressocoffeeguide.com/2010/10...-espresso-shot/

On the topic of throwing away espresso and waste. Is ristretto a waste? Throwing our beans that is half extracted?

This post has been edited by patryn33: Apr 28 2016, 10:42 AM

[quote=skitZo`,Apr 27 2016, 11:14 PM]
Hi Coffee lovers! Especially Poemia users or future Poemia owners.

Made a short video pulling 2 shots with the Saeco Poemia using non pressurized portafilter

My daily coffee dosage is 16gm of beans to 35-45ml of espresso in 27 seconds.

For Lattes the ratio will be 1:3 ratio.

Grinder used China/Akira M520A/Yangchia600N , 2 notches before the burrs hit each other. 1 notch before will choke the Poemia.

Cheers!



skitZo`, you inspire me!

Looking at your video, the first learning point is that I did not grind fine enough! All I did was go one full mark below my usual setting for pressurized... but i gauge that I should go easily 2 marks down.

Will depressurize again this weekend & experiment.

IMHO initial flow looks a bit fast...

This post has been edited by dwRK: Apr 28 2016, 04:50 PM

Using volume is always confusing...
When using ratios, go with weight...so a regular espresso at 1:2 will yield me 36g of espresso from 18g of beans
Ristretto would be a 1:1 so 18g of coffee, 18g of liquid yield which comes up roughly to 30ml (crema is lighter than water)

dwRK yeah seems fast at first, i suspect its channelling. Once the puck expands it slows down the flowrate. Would be great if i have a bottomless portafilter to check for chanelling and see whether the grinder is good.

lowkl if your grinder can grind fine enough and choke the poemia, then set the grind size a notch up higher and should be able to get a good extraction.

patryn33 for latte anywhere between 1:3 to 1:5 of espresso to milk ratio would be nice. All depends on the beans and roast level.

I guess you have a point.

Ristretto and Espressos are options on the menu. The consumer chooses one over the other depending on their taste preferences
Ristretto is very acidity focus as the extraction stops before the body and any bitterness start while an Espresso should give you a better body and mouthfeel

This also depends on the roast degree/development of the coffee used and can be a good example of using brew parameters to influence the coffee flavors.
Pulling a slightly shorter shot from a darker bean may keep you closer to the acidity/sweet zone while a full 1:2 espresso of a well developed medium roast can be equally balanced as well.
It all comes down to how you prefer your coffees to taste

I've heard before of the double basket espresso tasting better than a single basket hence the throw away of the other half but I'm not sure if it's scientifically proven

I recently just started on a naked and i'm ashamed to admit more than 50% of my shots had channeling
What have I been drinking for all the previous ones I pulled laaa..... lol

Lol...i cant help but think the same way too. Well bottomless portafilter is another level where you get to see the grinders performance.

Well as long as we enjoy the coffee from each of our own setup then it should be ok.

You want to clear out some space too...they spray...really hard

For Ristretto, you grind finer, so that it blonde with less volume, for a more intense sweeter cup. Generally still within 25-35s. It's not done by selectively cutting short extraction for 2/3 of the flow. The sweetness comes from the intensity...much like drinking wong lou kat and tan an lou herbal tea...the balance comes from getting the proper extraction...I occasionally screw up and had to go to 45-60s to blonde ...still makes a good cap.

A double basket is much easier to tamp right...that's usually why it's said to be better...a single is just as good if you know how to manage...

hi guy fill up double basket and make 45ml coffee from poemic, is that correct way ??? taste is ok but if i pull a little bit more (60-75ml) it feel bitter or what should i do ???

beans : buy here, shop and online. (no knowledge on everything other than drink)

Double is better also because due to the basket design, you don't have to grind AS FINE as single basket (all else being equal). This makes it easier to dial it at the optimum section your grinder. The window of 'screw-ups' is much larger.

Your poemic is depressurized?

I think ymeng85 answered your question already.

So the other one, it is not a waste as you're going for a higher concentration per liquid volume.

It's the "extraction" yield that matters.

the original one lo ... i just get the machines for less than two week, which still know nothing abt it

Google Poemia depressurized.

Stock runs pressurized portafilters, so user has almost no influence on the quality of the produce.