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 Battle of the +/- rm7k TVs, + Discussion on Sharp UE630X

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post Oct 15 2017, 06:59 PM

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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Oct 15 2017, 05:20 PM)
If u get that, simple...

Go to settings, about, restart.

This restart the android.
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post Oct 19 2017, 12:21 PM

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ue630x owners using Astrogo, a tip for you.


Astrogo latest version 8.1.68 does NOT work.

i tried several versions, and found only one will work at this time - 8.0.4.2.

other requirements:

.. the default leanback keyboard of the androidtv is NOT compatible with Astrogo.
so, u need to go to playstore, install the google INDIC keyboard, activate and set it as default.

.. the app in default is in portrait, need to install from playstore one of those "orientation" apps to rotate 90 deg, make it landscape.

.. remote controls will not work, need mouse to click-hold-drag to navigate.

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post Oct 21 2017, 11:28 AM

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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Oct 19 2017, 12:21 PM)
ue630x owners using Astrogo, a tip for you.
Astrogo latest version 8.1.68 does NOT work.

i tried several versions, and found only one will work at this time - 8.0.4.2.

other requirements:

.. the default leanback keyboard of the androidtv is NOT compatible with Astrogo.
so, u need to go to playstore, install the google INDIC keyboard, activate and set it as default.

.. the app in default is in portrait, need to install from playstore one of those "orientation" apps to rotate 90 deg, make it landscape.

.. remote controls will not work, need mouse to click-hold-drag to navigate.
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Wow, thanks for sharing...

You really are determined in finding solutions, me on the otherhand > cursing &%$@! to astro already tongue.gif
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post Oct 21 2017, 12:47 PM

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QUOTE(vamfire @ Oct 21 2017, 11:28 AM)
Wow, thanks for sharing...

You really are determined in finding solutions, me on the otherhand > cursing &%$@! to astro already tongue.gif
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right, i thought something like that will be useful for users like you! biggrin.gif

astro will not bother to make it easy for everyone, every device.

i do not use astrogo much but i always keep it working as i do fall back on the 4 supersports channels sometimes, even when they are in SD 480p.

i can tell you it is awfully hard to get reliable free live sports in HD; free ones in SD are easier but most are in 240/360p only.

other channels like news and lifestyle, can easily get in HD with other apps on this TV's androidtv.


good equipment come with great features, best to know how to use them to the full.

this tv has been wonderful for me for 2 years now.

beside the androidtv, as a display, it gives great clarity and deep colors.

i also find that while it is not rated HDR, it can take 4k SDR 10bit, chroma 444 10bit sampling.

with some tweaking of the picture settings, HDR10 videos come out very well.

of course, it has to work with a good box player with HDR capability and HDR source.

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post Oct 22 2017, 11:59 AM

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came across this article, good.

detailed description on what is UHD for a display which is not just 4K.

of course, the best display can only be obtained with the highest specs of the TV, the player and the source.

sharp ue630x is UHD - 4k, 60fps, 10bit, ycbcr444.

but is not WCG, HDR, 12bit.

next gen should be, i suppose.

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Then we get more technical, and explain some of the aspects of UHD:

4K resolution
Wide color gamut
Color bit depth
Color subsampling
HDMI versions
HDCP
HDMI data rates
HDMI cables
Display certification standards
HDR


What UHD Sources are there?

At this point a few hardware options:

UHD Blu Ray players, such as the new Samsung UBD-K8500. You can buy discs for around $30 from Amazon or Best Buy right now in the US!
Kaleidescape Strato – these players can download UHD content from the Kaleidescape store. The movies are created directly from master files received from the content creators and are not simple copies of UHD Blu Ray discs…in fact there is more UHD content on the store than there is currently UHD Blu Rays! The Strato supports HDR10 but not Dolby Vision, as well as the lossless audio codecs and Dolby Atmos.
Sony FMP-X10 player, which we believe is end-of-life and does not support HDR.
Kaleidescape Strato

Then there are the streaming services, which can be accessed from many hardware devices such as the those built into your TV, Roku 4K player, Amazon FireTV2, Nvidia Shield, etc.

Vudu
Netflix,
Amazon
Ultraflix
M-GO
YouTube
Sony’s forthcoming “Ultra” service

For a comprehensive list of sources and available content, see the “Master List of 4K“… thread over at AVSForum.com.

Note that most of the streaming services have compressed audio soundtracks, even the ones advertising Dolby Atmos like Vudu. Since high performance home theater is about video and audio, that only leaves two sources of note: UHD Blu Ray and Kaleidescape’s Store. For more read My Search for Higher-Quality Soundtracks in Streaming Movies.

What is the Ultra HD Blu Ray specification?

The Ultra HD Blu Ray spec is as follows (see the rest of this article for details on how to “decipher” these acronyms):

Up to 4K resolution
4:2:0 color sub-sampling
Up to 10 bit color
Up to 60 frames per second
Support for wide color gamuts (REC.2020)
Support for HDR10 and Dolby Vision
No 3D support
HDCP2.2

Ultra HD Blu Ray

As many of these specifications are optional it seems that just because a disc is labeled Ultra HD Blu Ray does not mean it will have HDR, a wide color gamut or 10 bit color. Hopefully UHD Blu Ray players will have some kind of signal information menu to reveal what is actually on the disc.

Note also that many of the movies announced for release on UHD Blu Ray so far were actually not shot at 4K resolution! See this article for some insightful analysis.

What capabilities does my display need to enjoy UHD content?

HDMI2.0 / HDCP2.2
. First and foremost you need a display capable of receiving a HDMI2.0 / HDCP2.2 signal. Unfortunately for consumers some early TVs sold as 4K capable do not have the required HDMI2.0 / HDCP2.2 inputs!
4K resolution. UHD is 4x the resolution of HDTV, typically 3840×2160 (2160p), although the Sony PJs have slightly larger, since they use imaging chips derived from their cinema projectors.

Whilst not strictly necessary for UHD your display may also have:

Wide color gamut (WCG).  HDTV and Blu-Rays are mastered and distributed in the REC.709 color gamut. With UHD content can be distributed in either the REC.709 or REC.2020 color gamuts. If REC.2020 is used that does not necessarily mean the content has been created using such a wide color gamut. We expect most of the “wide color gamut” content for the next few years to actually have a color gamut similar to the commercial cinema P3 space. REC.2020 can, in this instance, be considered as the container, rather than necessarily the actual color gamut of the encoded content. With this being said, your display must accept a REC.2020 signal to display WCG content. Apparently some displays released to date such as the Sony VPL-VW1100ES do not accept REC.2020 even though they are marketed as being able to reproduce a color gamut approaching P3. Confusing, we know, but that is the state of things with respect to 4K / UHD in 2016!

High dynamic range (HDR). This is the ability to display images with highlights that are much brighter than today. These highlights are used for things like reflections off cars. Content has to be specifically mastered for HDR, so not all UHD content will necessarily be HDR. There are also at least three competing standards for HDR, including HDR10 and Dolby Vision and no broadcast standard. There’s also a new gamma curve (more correctly an electro-optical transfer function or EOTF), SMPTE ST2084. Whilst the UHD Alliance has mandated brightness standards for TVs there are no such standards for projectors. In addition whilst there is a mastering standard for HDR (1000 nit for HDR10) there is no standard or accepted practice for how to scale to the output levels that your display is capable of. Suffice to say it is early days for HDR!

Things there are confusion over with respect to UHD displays:

18Gbps. This may be required if content makers start releasing movies with high frame rates. 4K @ 60 frames per second may require 18Gbps data rates if it is at bit depths of 10 or 12 bits. Otherwise 10.2Gbps is fine, even for 4K60 at 8 bit!
12 bit color. This refers to the color bit-depth. Old Blu-Ray is 8 bit, new UHD Blu Ray can support 10 bit. It’s not clear what bit depth is being used by the streaming services, but it’s probably 8 bit.
4:4:4.  This refers to color sub-sampling. Whilst 4:4:4 is used in content mastering, UHD is distributed via 4:2:0.
3D. There is no UHD 3D at this time, at least via Blu Ray.
http://www.acousticfrontiers.com/uhd-101-v2/


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post Oct 22 2017, 11:49 PM

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Hi I have the Sharp lc50ue630x, and I want to ask sifus that since I updated my YouTube app to the latest version, I notice I am unable to view any 60fps YouTube videos on my TV, it only shows the loading ring. Other videos can play fine. Any other users having this issue? Is that an app or TV issue? Please help.

I notice that on the old YouTube TV app, the 60fps videos does look choppy anyways. The updated app just doesn't play at all.

Thanks.
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QUOTE(masterchief81 @ Oct 22 2017, 11:49 PM)
Hi I have the Sharp lc50ue630x, and I want to ask sifus that since I updated my YouTube app to the latest version, I notice I am unable to view any 60fps YouTube videos on my TV, it only shows the loading ring. Other videos can play fine. Any other users having this issue? Is that an app or TV issue? Please help.

I notice that on the old YouTube TV app, the 60fps videos does look choppy anyways. The updated app just doesn't play at all.

Thanks.
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Don't own this model but following the thread... If a full power down and cold boot doesn't resolve this. Try an uninstall and install.
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QUOTE(masterchief81 @ Oct 22 2017, 11:49 PM)
Hi I have the Sharp lc50ue630x, and I want to ask sifus that since I updated my YouTube app to the latest version, I notice I am unable to view any 60fps YouTube videos on my TV, it only shows the loading ring. Other videos can play fine. Any other users having this issue? Is that an app or TV issue? Please help.

I notice that on the old YouTube TV app, the 60fps videos does look choppy anyways. The updated app just doesn't play at all.

Thanks.
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I'm having the same problem as yours on my 65ue630x.
Could be the YouTube app issue because the previous version YouTube can play 60pfs.

I noticed this issue maybe about 2 weeks ago, as almost all Paul Tan's and some of Bobby Ang's reviews just shows the loading ring.
Haven't done a fresh installation of youtube yet.

Pls share your findings once you managed to get it fix.
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post Oct 23 2017, 12:28 PM

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QUOTE(widget @ Oct 23 2017, 08:31 AM)
I'm having the same problem as yours on my 65ue630x.
Could be the YouTube app issue because the previous version YouTube can play 60pfs.

I noticed this issue maybe about 2 weeks ago, as almost all Paul Tan's and some of Bobby Ang's reviews just shows the loading ring.
Haven't done a fresh installation of youtube yet.

Pls share your findings once you managed to get it fix.
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I suggest you uninstall the YouTube update and everything should back to normal. I will also turned off the auto update. Hth.
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QUOTE(bond @ Oct 23 2017, 12:28 PM)
I suggest you uninstall the YouTube update and everything should back to normal. I will also turned off the auto update. Hth.
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I did what you suggested and Presto! It’s working fine now.
But I had to forego the Stat for Nerds option though as it’s not available in the older Youtube cry.gif
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QUOTE(widget @ Oct 23 2017, 11:01 PM)
I did what you suggested and Presto! It’s working fine now.
But I had to forego the Stat for Nerds option though as it’s not available in the older Youtube  cry.gif
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can u describe how u uninstall, prevent update?

i thought youtube is a "fixed" app, can only disable?
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Ya, I have to revert to the old YouTube app too for the 60fps to work. The new version doesn't work, so it's kinda sad that we can't use the latest app. Hopefully it gets fixed soon, or any other ideas?
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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Oct 23 2017, 11:16 PM)
can u describe how u uninstall, prevent update?

i thought youtube is a "fixed" app, can only disable?
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I believe he's talking about the Android feature where system apps can be updated from the Play Store and can also be rolled back to the initial version that shipped with the firmware. This initial version is the one that can be disabled but not easily uninstalled.
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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Oct 23 2017, 11:16 PM)
can u describe how u uninstall, prevent update?

i thought youtube is a "fixed" app, can only disable?
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You can uninstall updates to the YouTube app in the play store, therefore reverting back to the old app. You can't uninstall the app completely.

You can turn off auto update at the play store settings page.
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post Oct 23 2017, 11:58 PM

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QUOTE(masterchief81 @ Oct 23 2017, 11:21 PM)
You can uninstall updates to the YouTube app in the play store, therefore reverting back to the old app. You can't uninstall the app completely.

You can turn off auto update at the play store settings page.
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Got it.

Not good... using old version, 4k 60fps is downgraded to 1080p 60fps.

Well, better than nothing, i suppose. biggrin.gif

4k 25, 30fps works fine.

Seems to me the latest version with stats for nerds is either still work in progress or the tv cant handle.

Read that many tablets even new also facing same issue.
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i put auto update back, updated youtube.

this time, under search "uhd 60fps", can play the first two (one music, drums... the other "dubai").

the stats for nerds does show 3840x2160@60.

but... tried a few more, can't play.

strange...

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Hi,

Im planning to buy the 50ue630x in the near future. Just wondering, do this machine supports PS4 Pro? Anyone tried?

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post Oct 29 2017, 10:00 AM

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If anyone is looking to buy the 65ue630x, it’s available at Homedec expo at KL Convention Center for RM5640 inclusive of 5 years extended warranty, free wireless kb and mouse and free wall bracket. Installation of the wall bracket is quite expensive at RM250 though.
A mate of mine bought a set on Friday night.
The expo will end this evening

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I bought the 50UE630X at 11street together withe the sharp sound bar.. so far so good but need to learn how to use the TV as whenever plug in USB HD, use the native player seen like unable to see the external HD and only able to use ES-explorer to playback the HD content.. Also, can I install other Android app other than those in the playstore? Cause the playstone contend is not the same as my external Android player which I put in my bedroom??
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QUOTE(sevennine9 @ Oct 25 2017, 11:49 AM)
Hi,

Im planning to buy the 50ue630x in the near future. Just wondering, do this machine supports PS4 Pro? Anyone tried?
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It does support my old xbox360 via HDMI ARC through the Sharp soundbar. Sound from the soundbar is pretty good.

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