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icehart85
post Oct 5 2015, 12:25 AM

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QUOTE(slimey @ Oct 5 2015, 12:06 AM)
a word of caution :
currently the scientific evidence is insufficient to say whether transfer factor is helpful
http://www.webmd.com/vitamins-supplements/...ansfer%20factor

also, i have been searching for the " clinically proven to be able to boost our body's immune system and increase Natural Killer Cell activity "
i search high and low and this is what i found :

Provides powerful immune system support*
• Stimulates Natural Killer (NK) cell activity by 437%*†
• Supports the immune system's natural ability to recognize, respond to,
and remember potential health threats*
• Provides concentrated, certified 4Life Transfer Factor®
• Now 25% more concentrated*

notice the * behind each sentence.........
then i look down : *THESE STATEMENTS HAVE NOT BEEN EVALUATED BY THE FOOD AND DRUG ADMINISTRATION. THESE PRODUCTS ARE NOT INTENDED TO DIAGNOSE, TREAT, CURE, OR PREVENT ANY DISEASE
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&es...uzOCUuvE1AIJKLg
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post Oct 5 2015, 12:27 AM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Oct 5 2015, 12:24 AM)
Actually is because they don't have the funds to run clinical trial. So have to put that to avoid getting sue by some companies. Supplements like grape seed extract, fish oil carry such words too despite so many clinical trials done on that.

Best evidence is see ncbi.nlm.nih.gov.

There are other ways to increase NK cells too, IP-6, AHCC are some ways. Transfer factors smell to me of MLM companies. Broccoli sprouts, turmeric, white tea, grape skin and seeds are potent anti-cancer substances.
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It does not address the underlying cause of cancer growth which is to do with the diet.
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QUOTE(icehart85 @ Oct 4 2015, 07:38 AM)
In other words, its a vegan diet.....
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The Budwig Diet is not just another simple ''vegan'' diet.







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QUOTE(icehart85 @ Oct 5 2015, 12:24 AM)
Here's two article showing how cancer feed on cholesterol and the other on methionine:

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And here is the article showing how you can reverse cancer cells through diet:

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There you have it, you admit diabetes have problems with fat. My study also says the same. Its the fats inside the cell that is preventing the insulin to react with glucose so that glucose can enter the cells and not get stuck in the blood. Again the cure was this is to limit your fat intake not by eating more keto diet high in fats and proteins. Again our conclusion differ on this one...

Vitamin B12 affects all people regardless of their diet. Vegetarians and vegans may have more deficiency but ultimately all people will have that as they age. In fact it is good to know this earlier because early supplementation would eliminate the harm before its too late.

80% carbs 10% fats 10% protein though you can go even go higher % of carbs than that. He exercise occasionally not too much just within the average of 2-3 times per week. What carbs is not a problem as long as he gets the daily calories of minimum 3000 a day. Tooth decay commonly comes from acidic food and that is normally found in meats and carbonated drinks. Hydration also plays a part. But there is no basis for saying high carb food contribute to tooth decay. Maybe you can provide the study so that I can have a look and learn more about it. It doesnt need to be high veggies because you are getting enough fiber and nutrients from the carbs, yes carbs are not empty calories like you thought it is. Also when eating rice and potatoes normally you have other dishes with you as well and thats where the veggie portion comes from. GI is a measure of how fast the carbs is converted to glucose in the blood. It doesnt matter anyway because on a healthy body your blood sugar will spike but after a while it will come down. Only diabetic patients have problems where their blood sugar remain high because the lipids in the cells block glucose absorption and insulin.

I do not agree on your diet where high fats and proteins is your caloric source. In fact, I can say that your diet is the worse off than a balanced diet because you eat more proportion in animal proteins and fats. Unless you are calorie restricting which is certainly unsustainable. When you consume food you are taking in the whole package, not just protein alone or fats alone but a combination of whole lots of different things. And when taken together you are also intaking lots of risk factors for commone diseases as well. I will just list one or two articles here but you get the idea:

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The way I look at it is cancer cells uses glucose. And glucose is the basic stuff to manufacture cholesterol (you can Google biochemical cholesterol synthesis). So by using up the glucose, less cholesterol is formed.

The thing with diabetes is too much sugar. Only way is to decrease sugar is by decreasing consumption (less carbs, fasting, metabolic fasting) or increase usage (exercise). Ever wonder why metformin the diabetes drug have an an affect towards cancer? I am betting it got something to do with blood sugar.

First time I am hearing carbs contain fiber. If like that constipated people eat rice enough already. If you meant complex carbs like oats, then yes I agreed if they contain fiber. You can check out fiber content of potatoes, bread, rice.and tell me how much fiber they contain. Nonsuch.

You are only partially right on acidic food with tooth decay. High starch food gets partially digested by saliva in the mouth. Then bacteria does the rest of the dirty work, fermenting the carbs and form lactic acid which corrode the teeth. That's why we brush teeth to remove the food from our teeth.

I did not say high protein. I said enough protein. One does not need high protein. Just enough. I just said replacing carbs with oil. Good oil. Cut down on bad oil and include in good oil into ones diet. Running away from oil is not the answer when our cells membrane is made of oil. Brain, hormones are made from oil. Oil is needed to carry important nutrients which are not water soluble. Even developing babies need essential fatty acids for their brains.


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post Oct 5 2015, 09:25 AM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Oct 5 2015, 01:05 AM)
The way I look at it is cancer cells uses glucose. And glucose is the basic stuff to manufacture cholesterol (you can Google biochemical cholesterol synthesis). So by using up the glucose, less cholesterol is formed.

The thing with diabetes is too much sugar. Only way is to decrease sugar is by decreasing consumption (less carbs, fasting, metabolic fasting) or increase usage (exercise). Ever wonder why metformin the diabetes drug have an an affect towards cancer? I am betting it got something to do with blood sugar.

First time I am hearing carbs contain fiber. If like that constipated people eat rice enough already. If you meant complex carbs like oats, then yes I agreed if they contain fiber. You can check out fiber content of potatoes, bread, rice.and tell me how much fiber they contain. Nonsuch.

You are only partially right on acidic food with tooth decay. High starch food gets partially digested by saliva in the mouth. Then bacteria does the rest of the dirty work, fermenting the carbs and form lactic acid which corrode the teeth. That's why we brush teeth to remove the food from our teeth.

I did not say high protein. I said enough protein. One does not need high protein. Just enough. I just said replacing carbs with oil. Good oil. Cut down on bad oil and include in good oil into ones diet. Running away from oil is not the answer when our cells membrane is made of oil. Brain, hormones are made from oil. Oil is needed to carry important nutrients which are not water soluble. Even developing babies need essential fatty acids for their brains.
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I have posted so many articles and videos and yet you are still defiant in your stance. I am wondering whether you even read the studies I posted. I guess you didnt. So whats the point of discussing with you then? How can you even have a constructive discussion when you didnt read the studies or articles from the opposing side? I guess no amount of research or studies is enough to convince you already. I have said enough. You want to eat an Atkins diet then by all means then. Your body your problem.
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QUOTE(iimcrystal @ Oct 4 2015, 03:59 PM)
And i read that your emotions has a part in your immune system
If too negative, you immune system might work worse(sorry, hard to explain this but i hope you get the point)

But for now we're deciding whether to allow her for chemotherapy
We worried it's too much for her body

But thanks for your experience of your wife's chemotherapy
May i know what chemotherapy method did the doctor used on your wife?
And how's your wife if i may ask
Ignore if you want as it's a personal question sweat.gif

Thanks for the advice and in depths experience! o7o☆
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Well seems like you guys are doing a great job so far! keep up the good work then! flex.gif

You mom will definitely be going through a tough time now. Remember, getting to grips with having cancer is also hard so she'll definitely be frustrated. Just be there for her when she complains about everything. A happy patient heals faster.

My wife did 7 weeks of chemo (1 session + 5 x radiotherapy weekly). She basically goes to the cancer day care center and gets 3 IV drips (1 bottle of saline before and after her bottle of cisplatin). The saline is to avoid dehydration. On her 6th chemo session, she developed an alergic reaction to Cisplatin. According to the doctor, it's normal and she took some additional meds and was fine.

She's doing well now. She's got quarterly checkups with her ENT and Onco.

Did you manage to ask your doctor for more info on the proposed treatment and medication type? Just be aware of the side effects of ANY method of medication. Read up before making your decision.

You should get a second opinion as well.
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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Oct 2 2015, 10:15 PM)
I don't recommend. There are stuff which you can help your mother. Get her metformin from nearest pharmacy. Is very cheap. It won't cure but it will help her. Put her on diabetic dosage. You can find info online.

After that switch to ketogenic diet. Must really have no carbs (potato, rice, mee). Drink lots of white tea+turmeric+black pepper+virgin coconut oil tea+lemon Do not drink water. Drink that instead. Go buy books on ketogenic diet recipe. Coconut oil, extra virgin olive oil, eggs will be your friend here

Vegetables, put lots of raw garlic and eat lots of broccoli. Do not go for chicken. Go for white fish, tofu, eggs, no sugar.

Juice anti cancer vegetables like broccoli, capsicum and drink regularly with the tea.

The above are some ways to beat cancer. Must make sure eat enough.

The western world is cut, burn and poison.
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Alrifht I'll search on metformin icon_rolleyes.gif
Currently she's eating mainly white rice, white mee, home cooked fishes, vegetable and yesterday just brought her a plastic bag filled with oranges and lemon icon_rolleyes.gif

We tried avoiding oliy food
Or tried to reduce the oil consumption(home cook)
But is coconut oil and virgin olive oil ok?

We're worried that the oil might "stick" onto her intestine and dirty the intestine

We use asian style 😂
We done almost all you stated wink.gif
And it's working
Or at least body fats starting to increase 😆
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post Oct 5 2015, 05:58 PM

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QUOTE(icehart85 @ Oct 4 2015, 03:49 PM)
Forget chemo, its only harming the whole body cells not targeting the cancer cells itself.

Its unfortunate that the doctors have to resort to chopping of the large intestine, and the doctor is so unprofessional in that it is a rush job without bringing awareness to the risk involves as well as the side effects.

Nevertheless, its important to remember that doctors most commonly treat the symptoms not the root cause of the disease.

I would suggest that your mom adopt a plant based food starting now and see where you go from there. No animal products including eggs and dairies. Sounds militant but we are talking about your mom's life here.

If you ask why doctors dont practice this, well they only have maximum 3 hours of nutrition study so they know shit about nutrition in curing disease.

Anyway, if you still unsure I strongly urge you to watch this video to know more about it:

http://nutritionfacts.org/video/solving-a-...cancer-mystery/

I only trust doctors who adopt plant based nutrition because the rests are aiming at selling you medications that you dont even need.
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Hii icehart
Thanks for reply and comment on my post
Sees your name almost every post 😂

The doctor have to chop it off due to the cancer grow too large in it; about 8 cm?

We currently tried to avoid chemo
Due to being low rate of success rate and/due to
The weakening of the body and killing the healthy cells(not all, but worried might be more than the targeted cells)

Now her diet consists of mainly vegetable and fish as only meat source

Thank for the vid (òuó☆)

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post Oct 5 2015, 06:00 PM

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At times like this i regretted not studying biology during SPM :cried:

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post Oct 5 2015, 06:13 PM

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QUOTE(iimcrystal @ Oct 5 2015, 06:00 PM)
At times like this i regretted not studying biology during SPM :cried:
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It wont help as biology teach you nothing in nutrition. Heck, even medical doctors only have 3 hours max of study in nutrition throughout the many years of their study.

You have to take your time to research yourself on nutrition.

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QUOTE(iimcrystal @ Oct 5 2015, 05:58 PM)
Hii icehart
Thanks for reply and comment on my post
Sees your name almost every post 😂

The doctor have to chop it off due to the cancer grow too large in it; about 8 cm?

We currently tried to avoid chemo
Due to being low rate of success rate and/due to
The weakening of the body and killing the healthy cells(not all, but worried might be more than the targeted cells)

Now her diet consists of mainly vegetable and fish as only meat source

Thank for the vid (òuó☆)
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spoken to an oncologist already?
at least go talk to one.
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post Oct 5 2015, 07:40 PM

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QUOTE(iimcrystal @ Oct 2 2015, 04:00 PM)
Hi everyone biggrin.gif

So my mom was diagnosed with mucus pass in the ovaries during 1st week of july 2p15
Took her to the hospital, HUKM/UKM at selangor
and clean the stomach from the mucus pass and removed the "exploded" ovary(total of 2 surgeries)
Rested in the hospital for 1 week
And was sent home to rest for 3 week while waiting for the report on the medical research of the ovray to detect any cancer
Good news is that there's none
Bad new.....

After 3 week, near the 1st week of August
My mom felt a pain in the stomach
And she drive to the hospital @ Pantai for check up
And my dad got a call from her asking him to visit her

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I just feel sorry for your mother . I done years of research on diseases and most of us treat doctors like God . If doctors were so smart , doctors would easily live more than 100 . But the fact is that doctors life span is just like us . Doctors were taught how to treat symptoms with nothing but drugs and we all know that drugs have horrible side effects long term . IMO cancer patients don't die of cancer but they die because of the horrible side effects of chemo .

How do we get cancer ? We get cancer because of our lifestyle . Eating the bad food , don't drink enough plain water , not enough sunshine , not enough fresh air , not enough sleep . The human body is really a fantastic machine that can heal itself , if we allow it to heal . If we keep on doing the bad lifestyle , the body don't have the chance to heal itself .
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QUOTE(Empathy @ Oct 5 2015, 07:40 PM)
I just feel sorry for your mother . I done years of research on diseases and most of us treat doctors like God . If doctors were so smart , doctors would easily live more than 100 . But the fact is that doctors life span is just like us . Doctors were taught how to treat symptoms with nothing but drugs and we all know that drugs have horrible side effects long term . IMO cancer patients don't die of cancer but they die because of the horrible side effects of chemo .

How do we get cancer ? We get cancer because of our lifestyle . Eating the bad food , don't drink enough plain water , not enough sunshine , not enough fresh air , not enough sleep . The human body is really a fantastic machine that can heal itself , if we allow it to heal . If we keep on doing the bad lifestyle , the body don't have the chance to heal itself .
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Are you on plant based diet now?
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QUOTE(janson_kaniaz @ Oct 4 2015, 05:12 PM)
Hi TS,

I'm not here to give advice or anything, just to share my experience of having a mom with cancer.

My mom had a stage 3 breast cancer when i was in my teen and she did not make it. I wish I knew more back then about cancer but I am not sure how much research and medication have improved over the years to cure cancer.

I remember vividly the doctor told us that chemotherapy for stage 3 patients is meant to prolong his/her life, not to cure the cancer as the chances of recurring is high. It's always hard to tell people this but the chances of death in a few years is quite high for stage 3 patients. My mom made it past 4 years before the cancer came back.

This was more than 10 years back. May be things have improved but I hope you do prepare for the worst. When you are faced with the worst case scenario, you have nothing to lose, so I suggest you to try all the possible remedies out there - western or otherwise. Give her the chance to live by doing all the positive alternatives. You never know that one of them might just work.

I hope for the best for your mom. There is nothing worst than losing a mom. Treasure her while you can.
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hi janson
my condolence to your mother
i know how it felt when seeing your mom in that state
it's really scary as you might not know when

the fear of the unknown

when i heard it was cancer,
instantly i thought of the worst case scenario
just keep crying n just wanting to bang my entire head onto a wall
hoping it just a joke
or a dream(once i literally dreamed it, cold sweat and too scarred to went back to sleep)

it's scary having this thought
everytime i see my mom,
i felt happy and scared
and when i bid her goodbyes
i just have to hold it in
not to cry in front of her
but eventually i cried lol

but i really admire how strong you are biggrin.gif

and will do thumbup.gif


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QUOTE(icehart85 @ Oct 5 2015, 01:25 AM)
I have posted so many articles and videos and yet you are still defiant in your stance.
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High carbohydrate diets are a surefire way to accelerate cancer.

That is why low/lower carbohydate, high/higher fat diets
like the Atkins and Barry Sear's Zone Diet, which upregulate
insulin sensitivity and reduce insulin secretion, are considered
anticancer diets.

And very low carbohydrate, very high fat diets like the ketogenic
or modified Atkins are even more effective in cancer.

These diets knock down IGF-1, the key signalling pathway.

Known down IGF-1 and block IGF-1R, and you suppress cancer.


The Laron dwarfs of Ecuador don't get cancer because they
can't produce IGF-1.

They don't develop diabetes, either.

Do your research with Medline, not just videos.



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Are you on plant based diet now?
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Yes . I been following Dr Mcdougall starch based diet . Tasty and delicious , trim and healthy .

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It wont help as biology teach you nothing in nutrition. Heck, even medical doctors only have 3 hours max of study in nutrition throughout the many years of their study.

You have to take your time to research yourself on nutrition.
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I believed all foundation/a-level did teach you something about metabolism. Remember kreb cycle? They have a section which shows the body can use fat. Just in case you have forgotten,

https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q...r5b1XjKu6jpNT0y

Well I quote Wikipedia
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The ketogenic diet may be a successful treatment for several rare metabolic diseases. Case reports of two children indicate that it may be a possible treatment for astrocytomas, a type of brain tumour. Autism, depression, migraine headaches, polycystic ovary syndrome and diabetes mellitus type 2 have also been shown to improve in small case studies. There is evidence from uncontrolled clinical trials and studies in animal models that the ketogenic diet can provide symptomatic and disease-modifying activity in a broad range of neurodegenerative disorders including amyotrophic lateral sclerosis, Alzheimer's disease and Parkinson's disease, and may be protective in traumatic brain injury and stroke. Because tumour cells are inefficient in processing ketone bodies for energy, the ketogenic diet has also been suggested as a treatment for cancer, including glioma.

And here is the link for reviews by other user on the Internet of the site where you get your info
https://www.mywot.com/en/scorecard/nutritionfacts.org
I am not saying the site is bad. Just double check the info with
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
I won't get into another debate with you seeing that last few pages have more than enough info for people to read.

iimcrystal I am not asking you to go on all fat and high protein diet. I am asking you to replace carbs with oil. Eat lots of veges. Don't buy normal coconut oil. That is bad. Get the virgin coconut oil which when you open smell of coconut candy. That's the best coconut oil, can be use to heat food as it is stable compare to palm oil. Extra virgin olive oil in dark bottles is the best. Extra virgin olive oil cannot be heated. Once you heat extra virgin olive oil, it becomes bad oil. If you want to avoid oil be my guest but those cancer fighting food I told you about turmeric, tomatoes, capsicum will just pass through. It won't be absorbed by the body.

If you scared dirty, like I said, drink turmeric tea with virgin coconut oil + crush black pepper + bai mu dan everytime. Use that to replace normal water. Add a slice of lemon for additional benefits. The reason ask you to add coconut oil is so that the water soluble part will dissolve in water and the oil soluble part will dissolve in oil. So you get the best of both world.

Those dirty stuff is if you eat mcd, KFC, pizza, Sam cham bak, bak kut teh's fat. Bad fat. If you eat a clean vegetable meal with good oil with enough protein (up to you want to get your protein from animal or tofu) + additional of those anti-cancer food, is already very good.

For additional stuff, go find neem leaves and eat everyday. Can be found near Indian temple. Ask for a plant to paint yourself. Neem is one of the very powerful plant around. Is extremely bitter.

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QUOTE(Empathy @ Oct 6 2015, 07:56 AM)
Yes .  I been following Dr Mcdougall starch based diet . Tasty and delicious , trim and healthy .

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Awesome. by the way, please post more here to help TS and his mother. Too much false info here spread by Atkins proponent. We are talking about saving a life here. I am afraid that TS will be misled into giving her mom a really bad diet for her surgical recovery.
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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Oct 6 2015, 08:33 AM)
I believed all foundation/a-level did teach you something about metabolism. Remember kreb cycle? They have a section which shows the body can use fat. Just in case you have forgotten,

https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q...r5b1XjKu6jpNT0y

Well I quote Wikipedia

And here is the link for reviews by other user on the Internet of the site where you get your info
https://www.mywot.com/en/scorecard/nutritionfacts.org
I am not saying the site is bad. Just double check the info with
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
I won't get into another debate with you seeing that last few pages have more than enough info for people to read.

iimcrystal I am not asking you to go on all fat and high protein diet. I am asking you to replace carbs with oil. Eat lots of veges. Don't buy normal coconut oil. That is bad. Get the virgin coconut oil which when you open smell of coconut candy. That's the best coconut oil, can be use to heat food as it is stable compare to palm oil. Extra virgin olive oil in dark bottles is the best. Extra virgin olive oil cannot be heated. Once you heat extra virgin olive oil, it becomes bad oil. If you want to avoid oil be my guest but those cancer fighting food I told you about turmeric, tomatoes, capsicum will just pass through. It won't be absorbed by the body.

If you scared dirty, like I said, drink turmeric tea with virgin coconut oil + crush black pepper + bai mu dan everytime. Use that to replace normal water. Add a slice of lemon for additional benefits. The reason ask you to add coconut oil is so that the water soluble part will dissolve in water and the oil soluble part will dissolve in oil. So you get the best of both world.

Those dirty stuff is if you eat mcd, KFC, pizza, Sam cham bak, bak kut teh's fat. Bad fat. If you eat a clean vegetable meal with good oil with enough protein (up to you want to get your protein from animal or tofu) + additional of those anti-cancer food, is already very good.

For additional stuff, go find neem leaves and eat everyday. Can be found near Indian temple. Ask for a plant to paint yourself. Neem is one of the very powerful plant around. Is extremely bitter.
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Stop posting incorrect info here. This is for TS and not a channel for us to debate here. There are other venues for that. This thread is to help TS and his mother. Let him make an informed decision at that.
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Awesome. by the way, please post more here to help TS and his mother. Too much false info here spread by Atkins proponent. We are talking about saving a life here. I am afraid that TS will be misled into giving her mom a really bad diet for her surgical recovery.
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Atkins diet is definitely NO ... NO . But I don't like to force my opinion on to others . They can eat whatever they want . Another thing is that animal product is very addictive . Its hard for ppl to change their diet . My cousin got back pain and I told her to change to plant based diet but she replied that she rather die than eating plant food . Nothing much I can do , its her body anyway .

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