I often ask myself this question . Did God created animals so we could eat them ? Do humans suppose to eat animals ?

Nowadays it is so easy to eat animal products . We can buy them in the supermarket or eat them in a restaurant . It is easy because someone did the slaughtering for us . Suppose I want to eat mutton and someone give me a sheep and a knife so I could slaughter the sheep . Would I be able to slaughter the sheep myself ? I don't think so ... so thats why I give up on eating animals . Might be different for other ppl but not for me .

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Good words. I look at this this way humans have been fishing for fish for a long time (maritim civilization) and they cannot depend of vege alone. So they depend on what the sea can give them. Seafood & seaweed. So in a way, humans do eat fish, poultry (chicken) I am sure there are chickens in ancient egypt/china. If we go back further, the males will hunt for food while the female will gather like berries/fruits from the jungle (some tribes in amazon still hunt for food - hence those poison tip frogs are used as a source of poisons). In some part of the world, cannibalism still exist. So if you tell me humans don't live on meat, I will say no. We eat meat since a long time ago. Just that we need to control and go for meats which are prepared in a good way (not deep fried or bbq meat)

Since the invention of fire, I do think that meats eaten by ancestors are predominantly cooked otherwise it would taste disgusting. There is also a case for bones found in cave, in this case ancient humans would collect dead animals and put inside the cave for burial purposes. But now antrophologist would find remains of human bones with animal bones and exclaimed AHA, ancient humans eat animals and lots of them....hence why we are so confused what our ancestors eat....just my 2 cents.

Says the vegan.. yeah, right! I find raw ruminant meats quite refreshing, almost as delicious as rare, certainly far from disgusting. I guess I'm veering way off-topic now though.. best wishes to OP's mum!

This post has been edited by metaleap: Oct 7 2015, 02:14 AM

my dad was diagnosed for colon cancer stage 3 in 3 years back. he removed the tumor in his colon and then we seek for second opinion in 1 private hospital and another 1 special care cancer hospital.

both of the sites advised to proceed chemo, which we finally accepted and choose to go with the special care cancer hospital.

since then, my sibling and i started to google and read many books on the healthy food. my dad stopped to eat pork, any red meat. we made him juice (which contains quite many thing like beetroot, celery, carrot, cabbage, orange, lemon) and also multi-grain juices. he also taking some supplements.

he went through the chemo session and he now maintain a healthy lifestyle, no pork, no oil fried food, no liquor, no smoking, exercise and drink juices everyday.

it depends, as everyone has different case and body fitness.
but always remember that when this kind of thing happen, seek for second or even third opinion to make the situation clear before making any decision. healthy lifestyle and mentally must always positive.

Actually all 2nd, 3rd opinion will tell you to chemo. Majority of the doctor's don't believe in alternate and off-label use of drugs like metformin for cancer.

How old is your mom TS? My mom passed away last year due to colon cancer stage 4. She undergo chemo for about 1 1/2 years. It was dreadful. I strongly suggest avoiding chemo if your mom is about 50+ as her body cells are not able to regenerate fast enough.

Try opting for traditional method. You can try tung shin hosp and opt for their natural herb remedy.

Lastly, do spend as much time as possible with her. Keep her motivated and encourage her at all times. She really needs it. Stay strong TS!

You are headed in the right direction, thats why an all vegan diet has been proven to cure a lot of common diseases, including cancer.

Please provide evidence of case where by a person with proven case of cancer got cured of cancer without any surgery , chemo, radiotherapy.

Otherwise it is just a misleading statement.

Here you go.

First, patients suffering glioma and had surgery but surgery didn't manage to remove all. Traditionally will go for chemo but they took KD instead.
http://www.nutritionandmetabolism.com/content/7/1/33

Second, read the first paragraph
http://www.jlr.org/content/early/2014/02/0...046797.full.pdf

Third
http://www.examiner.com/article/texas-man-...nal-lung-cancer

First link : had usage of both chemo and radiotherapy.
2nd link: only animal study.
3rd link: not a science journal.

Conclusion: keto diet may help, together with other conventional therapy

The good and bad thing about chemo is that it kills all cells in the body; both cancer and non-cancerous. To survive chemo, you need to have a healthy enough body. To prepare for it, make sure you have a strong immune system. Healthy diet including food that boosts the immune system, minor exercise, good hygiene and clean environment helps a lot.

I also hear refined sugar is a catalyst for cancer. Replace it with fruit sugar (Oligosaccharides).

The disclaimer was made because the product is a natural supplement, which is equivalent to food and not drugs. As such, the company cannot make recommendations for conditions that would in any way appear prescriptive as it is not permitted by FDA regulations. All the clinical trials and researches, done by independent bodies, have concluded that transfer factors have the capability to improve survival rates. Many doctors around the world have used the products on their cancer patients, like Utah and it is even endorsed by russian government to use it in the hospitals. Even in Malaysia, i know the doctors who have recommended this product as support to the cancer treatments. I have heard about many success stories about how cancer patients have benefited from it. There are books written about the effectiveness of Transfer Factors and doctors quoted about the product. Please do more research on it. Because it helps that's why i am sharing. It is important to keep your mind open at this time. You will never regret by getting a second opinion from other doctors who believe in alternative medicine. Just give yourself a chance to learn more about it.

Indeed, and this could be a neat, cost-free hack to vastly improve the chemo experience and outcome:

https://news.usc.edu/63669/fasting-triggers...-immune-system/

All carbs get quickly converted to glucose in either the stomach or the small intestine (can't remember, probably the latter) before hitting the bloodstream and then the cells & tissues of your body. So if you don't have intestinal or stomach cancer, refined sugar equals brown rice or whole grain bread etc --- in terms of what the rest of the body sees or receives. Refined sugar (and a few other carbs) contains fructose which without fruit fibre is pretty damaging and stressful on the liver (but if not liver cancer, again, doesn't matter), so maybe that's where any statistical correlations (if they exist and are meaningful enough) between refined sugar and certain cancers may have their underlying cause, not sure.

The simple cliche "sugar feeds cancer or malignant tumors" just isn't accurate across the board. There's 100s of very different kinds of cancers and tumors, only some feed exclusively on blood glucose (and of those, only some can be "starved" by restricting or eliminating dietary carbs in some cases). There's others that can feed on fatty acids, and I think a very few rare ones even on ketones. Now carbs are somewhat immunosuppressive, so cutting them out may in select cases give that "immune boost" needed to eliminate the tumor regardless of what it feeds on. Metastases however in many cases seem to be dependent on glucose turnover, though this is just from memory and hearsay. But there's no guarantees either way proven to work in 100% (or anywhere near that) of cases of any and all 100s of kinds of cancers --- not ancient herbs, not green tea, not apricot kernels, or veganism, or fruitarianism, or juice fasting, or keto, or chemo. Sad truth.

This post has been edited by metaleap: Oct 8 2015, 12:29 AM

I know doctors who believe in alternative medicine and about their successful stories.

Just to share a real story of my friend's mother's friend. She had stage 3 breast cancer 3 years ago. She is one of those who has benefited from transfer factors. She is already fully recovered, meaning cancer-free now.

I would be interested if they do a study where they put subjects on 1) Fasting and 2) Vegan diet.

That would be an interesting study. My reasoning is that the reason why immune system is weaken is because of bad food we eat. If fasting improve immune system, then would a vegan diet be better or worse off. In fact we can even put a keto diet and also a placebo just to see who comes out better.

Cant agree with your last statement in the second paragraph. if nothing else helps, perhaps putting the patient on a vegan diet is the last best recourse.

If your friend's mother friend is still continuing her old dietary habits, I am afraid she will get a relapse in the future. Think of it like someone who's busily mopping up the floor [around] a sink overflowing without also turning off the faucet. If you don’t turn off the faucet, if you don’t treat the underlying cause, even if you mop up the floor, even if you do transfer factors, or chemo or any alternative therapy, you’re not changing the underlying condition that led to it.

No disrespect but this is the hard truth.

B.S.

BS? It could also explain why fasting boost the immune system.