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post Oct 6 2015, 01:45 PM

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QUOTE(Empathy @ Oct 6 2015, 01:38 PM)
Atkins diet is definitely NO ... NO . But I don't like to force my opinion on to others . They can eat whatever they want . Another thing is that animal product is very addictive . Its hard for ppl to change their diet . My cousin got back pain and I told her to change to plant based diet but she replied that she rather die than eating plant food . Nothing much I can do , its her body anyway .

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I like to think that we are giving advice. But if we do nothing then TS will be misled by others who are giving their Atkins advice on him. shakehead.gif

Anyway for those that say they rather die than eating plant food, no use wasting time on them, help those that want to be helped. Good effort though. icon_rolleyes.gif


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post Oct 6 2015, 01:48 PM

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QUOTE(Empathy @ Oct 6 2015, 01:38 PM)
Atkins diet is definitely NO ... NO . But I don't like to force my opinion on to others . They can eat whatever they want . Another thing is that animal product is very addictive . Its hard for ppl to change their diet . My cousin got back pain and I told her to change to plant based diet but she replied that she rather die than eating plant food . Nothing much I can do , its her body anyway .

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Who ask people to eat so much protein? My suggestion is actually just switching the carbs and fat to good fat. The body needs fat. Basic knowledge, vitamin a,d,e,K are fat soluble, our cells membrane is make from lipid. Eyes, brains, hormone need fat. Olive oil, walnuts, almonds, avocado are all plants with good fat which is recommended by heart association.
Dr Mcdougall starch based diet is asking one to forgo all good fats. If you read reviews on amazon, some user of his books shared what's wrong with his food.

If one were to follow the Atkins diet, good luck la. Sure get gout later one whether one take animal or vege protein.

The basic thing is a vege diet with enough proteins (from animals or plants) and good fats. No need for carbs.
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post Oct 6 2015, 02:05 PM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Oct 6 2015, 01:48 PM)
Who ask people to eat so much protein? My suggestion is actually just switching the carbs and fat to good fat. The body needs fat. Basic knowledge, vitamin a,d,e,K are fat soluble, our cells membrane is make from lipid. Eyes, brains, hormone need fat. Olive oil, walnuts, almonds, avocado are all plants with good fat which is recommended by heart association.
Dr Mcdougall starch based diet is asking one to forgo all good fats. If you read reviews on amazon, some user of his books shared what's wrong with his food.

If one were to follow the Atkins diet, good luck la. Sure get gout later one whether one take animal or vege protein.

The basic thing is a vege diet with enough proteins (from animals or plants) and good fats. No need for carbs.
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So how is your keto different from Atkins diet. Wait so now you advocate eating saturated fat and oils? Instead of lean meat eat the skin? Eat the pork lard and the fatty tissue? shakehead.gif
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post Oct 6 2015, 02:14 PM

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QUOTE(icehart85 @ Oct 6 2015, 01:45 PM)
I like to think that we are giving advice. But if we do nothing then TS will be misled by others who are giving their Atkins advice on him.  shakehead.gif

Anyway for those that say they rather die than eating plant food, no use wasting time on them, help those that want to be helped. Good effort though.  icon_rolleyes.gif
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By going on all carb food? I better recommend all vege food rather than all carb food. Did you read reviews on amazon by people who follow his program (the 1 star review for his book)?
http://www.amazon.com/The-Starch-Solution-...howViewpoints=0
Did you read the review posted by Tham regarding the dwarf people or how cancer like glioma (one of the cancer which is very aggressive) response to ketones?

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25081729
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21673053
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3267662/

I am not promoting the Atkins or KD BUT the basics of KD which is not using carbs with combination of lots of vege + enough protein and cancer fighting food.

I believed I have posted enough evidence for TS to make up his mind.

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post Oct 6 2015, 02:19 PM

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QUOTE(icehart85 @ Oct 6 2015, 02:05 PM)
So how is your keto different from Atkins diet. Wait so now you advocate eating saturated fat and oils? Instead of lean meat eat the skin? Eat the pork lard and the fatty tissue?  shakehead.gif
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My keto is simple. Replace all carbs with good oil. Add more vege (vege will not become glucose - cancer fuel) +enough proteins 1 piece of chicken or fish/day (lunch or dinner) and vegetable protein for (lunch or dinner)

You think I promote eating that kind of fat? The only fat I recommend is extra virgin olive oil, Virgin coconut oil, kg eggs. Even myself also never eat pork/beef oil/skin. Too dangerus.

This way, you still can go on keto as the body have no carbs. So forced to use the good oil provided as fuel. Is the basic of keto + semi vegetarian + Mediterranean diet (olive oil and garlic)

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post Oct 6 2015, 02:39 PM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Oct 6 2015, 02:14 PM)
By going on all carb food? I better recommend all vege food rather than all carb food. Did you read reviews on amazon by people who follow his program (the 1 star review for his book)?
http://www.amazon.com/The-Starch-Solution-...howViewpoints=0
Did you read the review posted by Tham regarding the dwarf people or how cancer like glioma (one of the cancer which is  very aggressive) response to ketones?

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25081729
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21673053
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3267662/

I am not promoting the Atkins or KD BUT the basics of KD which is not using carbs with combination of lots of vege + enough protein and cancer fighting food.

I believed I have posted enough evidence for TS to make up his mind.
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Bad example of using a one star review to compare its effectiveness. I can say the same for Grain Brain and Wheat Belly as well. They are also pro KD diet like your diet. Did you look at their 1 star reviews? Its pretty much pointless to argue with you on such level.

So many studies show fats are good, there are also many studies that shows fats are bad. So how do you decide then? Go search on the lipid hypothesis. From Wikipedia:

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An accumulation of evidence has led to the acceptance of the lipid hypothesis by most of the medical community;[4] however, a minority contends that the evidence does not support it, and that mechanisms independent of blood cholesterol levels are responsible.
So the medical establishment has accepted lipid hypothesis as fact. There are only a minority who disagree with this view.
With no carbs you dont have fuel for your body, so they burn fat or worse, your muscle.

QUOTE(Ramjade @ Oct 6 2015, 02:19 PM)
My keto is simple. Replace all carbs with good oil. Add more vege (vege will not become glucose - cancer fuel) +enough proteins 1 piece of chicken or fish/day (lunch or dinner)  with and vegetable protein for (lunch or dinner)

You think K promote eating that kind of fat? The only fat I recommend is olive oil. Virgin coconut oil. Even myself also never eat pork/beef oil/skin
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Ohh man classic tactic of calorie restricting to induce weight loss. You better dont add more junk to make it look like facts.

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QUOTE(icehart85 @ Oct 6 2015, 02:39 PM)
Bad example of using a one star review to compare its effectiveness. I can say the same for Grain Brain and Wheat Belly as well. They are also pro KD diet like your diet. Did you look at their 1 star reviews? Its pretty much pointless to argue with you on such level.

So many studies show fats are good, there are also many studies that shows fats are bad. So how do you decide then? Go search on the lipid hypothesis. From Wikipedia:
So the medical establishment has accepted lipid hypothesis as fact. There are only a minority who disagree with this view.
With no carbs you dont have fuel for your body, so they burn fat or worse, your muscle. 
Ohh man classic tactic of calorie restricting to induce weight loss. You better dont add more junk to make it look like facts.
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Simple. Do your research. Read books. Double check the facts, and don't blindly trust someone. I was skeptical initially of KD, no way it can be without effects and can be used for epilepsy, alzehimer. So do a little research. Go back to basic. Read up on metabolism of glucose, metabolism of lipid, ultization by the human brain from places like medscape.Double check with journals (ncbi.nlm.nih.gov) Avocados, olive oil, nuts, essential fatty acids from fish are all good source of oil. Not if you supply the body with constant oil. Muscles will be used last IF only there are no more fats available.That's why muscle is always preserve if one fast. If like that how do you think obese people can go on diet? They sure die already but they don't. Their body burns the fat first.

Follow what ancient people do (Bible, al-quran, mayans) and what other cultures do (Polynesia, Japanese, Mediterranean, Indians). Use them as a source of knowledge. Avoid all man made fat and processed meat (ham, burgermeat, nugget, sausage, butter, margarine). I won't be going into religion here but what is written in those books must have some facts in them despite it being believed only. Take olive oil (Bible) and black cumin (al-quran). The medical world are starting to find out about its benefits despite it have been in the Bible and the al-quran.

If I am on calorie restriction, I better eat carbs as carbs contain lesser calories than olive olive oil, coconut oil. But yet, I am still taking my oil. sweat.gif Everyone knows carbs contain lesser calories than oil. Weight loss was never on my agenda. Decreasing my blood sugar was.

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post Oct 6 2015, 03:35 PM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Oct 6 2015, 02:56 PM)
Simple. Do your research. Read books. Double check the facts, and don't blindly trust someone. I was skeptical initially of KD, no way it can be without effects and can be used for epilepsy, alzehimer. So do a little research. Go back to basic. Read up on metabolism of glucose, metabolism of lipid, ultization by the human brain from places like medscape.Double check with journals (ncbi.nlm.nih.gov) Avocados, olive oil, nuts, essential fatty acids from fish are all good source of oil. Not if you supply the body with constant oil. Muscles will be used last IF only there are no more fats available.That's why muscle is always preserve if one fast. If like that how do you think obese people can go on diet? They sure die already but they don't. Their body burns the fat first.

Follow what ancient people do (Bible, al-quran, mayans) and what other cultures do (Polynesia, Japanese, Mediterranean, Indians). Use them as a source of knowledge. Avoid all man made fat and processed meat (ham, burgermeat, nugget, sausage, butter, margarine). I won't be going into religion here but what is written in those books must have some facts in them despite it being believed only. Take olive oil (Bible) and black cumin (al-quran). The medical world are starting to find out about its benefits despite it have been in the Bible and the al-quran.

If I am on calorie restriction, I better eat carbs as carbs contain lesser calories than olive olive oil, coconut oil. But yet, I am still taking my oil. sweat.gif Everyone knows carbs contain lesser calories than oil. Weight loss was never on my agenda. Decreasing my blood sugar was.
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I have done close to 6 months of research brahhh. And I am thriving on my high carb low fat diet. So amazing when you can eat unlimited amount of carbs without worry about getting fat and better yet you are healthier than most of the people around you. thumbup.gif
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QUOTE(icehart85 @ Oct 6 2015, 03:35 PM)
I have done close to 6 months of research brahhh. And I am thriving on my high carb low fat diet. So amazing when you can eat unlimited amount of carbs without worry about getting fat and better yet you are healthier than most of the people around you.  thumbup.gif
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Alright. Don't complain later on if you are lacking vit a,d,e,K dry eyes, and dry skin If you have the time, go do a bloodtest. Hba1c (from there one see if your blood sugar is good the last 3 months.) You don't need to tell us. But just do every year.

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Oh. And on your question to go for chemo or not. It depends on how old your mum is. If she is still quite energetic and do not fall sick easily before, then go for chemo. Those 2 MLM products I listed earlier will help to lessen the bad side effects of the chemo.

There is also a novel approach in chemo treatment called CRLX101; unfortunately still in human clinical trials. I believe this method of chemo drug delivery will lessen the side effects of chemo and give patients a better chance of survival. You can try and ask your mum's oncologist if this is an option.
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Lastly, your mum need to have a positive attitude. Family and friends support is of utmost importance; talk to her and divert her attention away from her worries.
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QUOTE(donald88 @ Oct 6 2015, 04:25 PM)
Lastly, your mum need to have a positive attitude. Family and friends support is of utmost importance; talk to her and divert her attention away from her worries.
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You forgot diet which is much more important than a positive attitude.
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QUOTE(icehart85 @ Oct 6 2015, 04:29 PM)
You forgot diet which is much more important than a positive attitude.
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It is very interdependent. Without a positive attitude, you may not have the appetite to eat at all.
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QUOTE(icehart85 @ Oct 6 2015, 01:45 PM)
I like to think that we are giving advice. But if we do nothing then TS will be misled by others who are giving their Atkins advice on him.  shakehead.gif

Anyway for those that say they rather die than eating plant food, no use wasting time on them, help those that want to be helped. Good effort though.  icon_rolleyes.gif
Many ppl don't want to change their diet but when the pain get so unbearable and their doctors can't help them , they have no choice but to change . There are tons of videos on Youtube about alternative health and ppl can get confused sometime . Some doctors say salt is ok but some say salt is bad . Some say grain is ok while some say grain is bad . Some say animal protein is ok and others say that animal protein is bad . No wonder the general public is confused .

I like to experiment to see what good or bad for me . I used to get all kind of diseases like chronic cough , neck pain , back pain , foot pain , sore throat and skin rashes . That's when I started doing serious research on healing the body . But still I don't want to change my diet because I really love my food like hamburgers , french fries , coca cola , pizza etc . But one day my foot pain got so bad that I have no choice but to change . Now I'm into plant based diet and once a month I go into 24 hour juice fasting .

To be fit and healthy is very important . If you are sick and bed ridden , you have zero quality of life no matter how much money you have in the bank .

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QUOTE(Empathy @ Oct 6 2015, 04:36 PM)
Many ppl don't want to change their diet but when the pain get so unbearable and their doctors can't help them , they have no choice but to change . There are tons of videos on Youtube about alternative health and ppl can get confused sometime . Some doctors say salt is ok but some say salt is bad . Some say grain is ok while some say grain is bad . Some say animal protein is ok and others say that animal protein is bad . No wonder the general public is confused .

I like to experiment to see what good or bad for me . I used to get all kind of diseases like chronic cough , neck pain , back pain , foot pain , sore throat and skin rashes . That's when I started doing serious research on healing the body . But still I don't want to change my diet because I really love my food like hamburgers , french fries , coca cola , pizza etc . But one day my foot pain got so bad that I have no choice but to change . Now I'm into plant based diet and once a month I go into 24 hour juice fasting .

To be fit and healthy is  very important . If you are sick and bed ridden , you have zero quality of life no matter how much money you have in the bank .

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Yes now we have two testimonials of thriving in a plant based diet. user posted image
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QUOTE(Empathy @ Oct 6 2015, 04:36 PM)
Many ppl don't want to change their diet but when the pain get so unbearable and their doctors can't help them , they have no choice but to change . There are tons of videos on Youtube about alternative health and ppl can get confused sometime . Some doctors say salt is ok but some say salt is bad . Some say grain is ok while some say grain is bad . Some say animal protein is ok and others say that animal protein is bad . No wonder the general public is confused .

I like to experiment to see what good or bad for me . I used to get all kind of diseases like chronic cough , neck pain , back pain , foot pain , sore throat and skin rashes . That's when I started doing serious research on healing the body . But still I don't want to change my diet because I really love my food like hamburgers , french fries , coca cola , pizza etc . But one day my foot pain got so bad that I have no choice but to change . Now I'm into plant based diet and once a month I go into 24 hour juice fasting .

To be fit and healthy is  very important . If you are sick and bed ridden , you have zero quality of life no matter how much money you have in the bank .

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Couldn't agree more with you. People love their food too much. Well you need to give something to gain something. You are giving away your health for few moment of "nice taste" if one does Not change his diet.


QUOTE(icehart85 @ Oct 6 2015, 04:38 PM)
Yes now we have two testimonials of thriving in a plant based diet.  user posted image
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But not a high Carb diet. Vege diet I can accept but high carb diet? No way metabolic diseases will happen in the long run. Too much carbs causes blood sugar to increase which cause increase secretion of insulin. Which overtime causes the body to be not sensitive to insulin. The pancreas will also decrease production.

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Oct 6 2015, 05:43 PM)
Couldn't agree more with you. People love their food too much. Well you need to give something to gain something. You are giving away your health for few moment of "nice taste" if one does Not change his diet.
But not a high Carb diet. Vege diet I can except but high carb diet? No way metabolic diseases will happen in the long run.
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He is on McDougall diet which is high carb diet. Me as well. user posted image
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QUOTE(icehart85 @ Oct 6 2015, 05:44 PM)
He is on McDougall diet which is high carb diet. Me as well.  user posted image
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I won't say anymore. But check your blood every year. Since switching my diet, I have been doing blood test every year for precautions.
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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Oct 6 2015, 05:48 PM)
I won't say anymore. But check your blood every year. Since switching my diet, I have been doing blood test every year for precautions.
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This goes to every person that is reading this thread. user posted image

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