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TSiimcrystal
post Oct 2 2015, 04:00 PM, updated 11y ago

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Hi everyone biggrin.gif

So my mom was diagnosed with mucus pass in the ovaries during 1st week of july 2p15
Took her to the hospital, HUKM/UKM at selangor
and clean the stomach from the mucus pass and removed the "exploded" ovary(total of 2 surgeries)
Rested in the hospital for 1 week
And was sent home to rest for 3 week while waiting for the report on the medical research of the ovray to detect any cancer
Good news is that there's none
Bad new.....

After 3 week, near the 1st week of August
My mom felt a pain in the stomach
And she drive to the hospital @ Pantai for check up
And my dad got a call from her asking him to visit her

So he bring me and my sibling to visit her to know what happened
And my mom was looking dreadful, face green, weak body
My aunts visited
And the doctor said she need to undergo surgery ASAP
My aunt asked why(i wss at home while they stayed back)
The doctor does not gave a solid reason
And while my mom was resting
One of the nurses was talking about packages promotion on surgeries (WTF man? Patient ady sakit kuat kuat lagi bagi promo?l
My aunt just scolded her and hurriedly sent my mom back to ukm

And ukm checked and they feared that it might be cancer and started surgeries(3rd surgeries)
And is was cancer, Colon cancer / bowel cancer (sorry got mixed up, gonna reread the report when i get my hand on it)

The doctor removed the entire big intestine and make a hole on her stomach and put the small intestine as a new excretion system with a donut bag(a bag with a hole that shaped like a donut for the small intestine to excrete)

And after a month, my mom lost 30kg in a span of 2 month
But she been eating healthy(fish, rice, white noodles, vege, acidic fruit[lemon & orange from what i saw])
and we received the report
And the doctor suggested doing chemotherapy

But with my mom condition of losing body fats, 4 pint of blood lost during the surgeries, and she has a bad case of depression/lack of moods

I honestly don't think she should take chemotherapy

But i don't know what else to do to help her sad.gif
Anyone know what else to do beside doing chemotherapy?
I heard the sideeffect is terrible and dangerous
Anyone has these kind of experience?
I feel really insecure and helpless and worried about my mom mental well being.

Sorry for the long posts sweat.gif
Just thought it best to write out everything incase of specific information needed :sweats:
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post Oct 4 2015, 03:37 PM

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Thanks everyone for the advice
Just posted two days ago
Never though it'll get so many views 😱
I'll try to reply to everyone ASAP

Thank god today is break day 😂
And thank you for the advice !
Please give me sometime to reply OTL......

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post Oct 4 2015, 03:39 PM

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QUOTE(will4848 @ Oct 2 2015, 04:07 PM)
u just need to be strong....hope your mom get well soon.  icon_rolleyes.gif
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Thank you 😆
I hope so too icon_rolleyes.gif
Mesti mao powderful dalam masa ni 😂
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post Oct 4 2015, 03:59 PM

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QUOTE(DemonTweakZ @ Oct 2 2015, 04:29 PM)
3 years back my wife was diagnosed with nose cancer (NPC). While its not the same as colon cancer, she had to do radio therapy and chemo (cisplatin) for 7 weeks.

She lost a lot of weight and was generally very week after 2 weeks of chemo. as I was her primary care giver, i had to make sure the house is always clean and avoid allowing too many people into her room to visit. She's got to be in a clean environment throughout the time of her treatment. Also note that her taste change as the chemo medication is platinum based so everything might start tasting metallish or fishy.

The hardest hit will be her emotional wellbeing. Make sure you and your family are there for her emotionally if you decide to do chemo.

A lot of people were suggesting alternative medication. I made my decision based on her recovery chance. As the onco for that. My wife's chances of recovery were high so we went for chemo.

Also make sure you do research yourself on care giving methods. Also do some research on the type of medication being administered. The hospital should also have support groups that will be useful as they can provide encouragement for your mom.
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Ya, i underatand what you mean
Not only the physical that matter
But the emotional as well

The first week of her surgeries
She none stop scolding and having a bad mood(as bad as girls during menstruation 😂)
But we tried to tahan it
And try to take care of her wellbeing

At first we don't allow anyone to visit her
As it might be tiring her
But we allow people visit her later on
As it lighten her mood
Still scolding but at least there's someone to "pei" her
Someone to talk and entertain her
Instead of her dwelling in negative thoughts(whom she very good at)

Your wife and my mom same same 😂

The most difficult part was not the medication(as of now)
But her emotional wellbeing

And i read that your emotions has a part in your immune system
If too negative, you immune system might work worse(sorry, hard to explain this but i hope you get the point)

But for now we're deciding whether to allow her for chemotherapy
We worried it's too much for her body

But thanks for your experience of your wife's chemotherapy
May i know what chemotherapy method did the doctor used on your wife?
And how's your wife if i may ask
Ignore if you want as it's a personal question sweat.gif

Thanks for the advice and in depths experience! o7o☆
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post Oct 4 2015, 04:02 PM

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QUOTE(kent_lau7 @ Oct 2 2015, 09:11 PM)
I believe in natural therapy. The western method is not healing, it is just prolonging life to another few months while asking patient to suffer and pay huge amount for prolong few months life.
For healing to take place, the human body has the ability to heal itself.

Watch out what one eat. It is what you eat and what emotion you accept that cause disease - (dis -ease)

That is what I believe.
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Yes, we're being precautions on her eating
Though she sometime steal a snack
But luckily she stopped stealing some,
Maybe she begin to have bit of hope?
Idk, I'm still worried about her mental state as she tends to overthing and thinking about the worst case

I'll try to google more on natural therapy !

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post Oct 5 2015, 05:31 PM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Oct 2 2015, 10:15 PM)
I don't recommend. There are stuff which you can help your mother. Get her metformin from nearest pharmacy. Is very cheap. It won't cure but it will help her. Put her on diabetic dosage. You can find info online.

After that switch to ketogenic diet. Must really have no carbs (potato, rice, mee). Drink lots of white tea+turmeric+black pepper+virgin coconut oil tea+lemon Do not drink water. Drink that instead. Go buy books on ketogenic diet recipe. Coconut oil, extra virgin olive oil, eggs will be your friend here

Vegetables, put lots of raw garlic and eat lots of broccoli. Do not go for chicken. Go for white fish, tofu, eggs, no sugar.

Juice anti cancer vegetables like broccoli, capsicum and drink regularly with the tea.

The above are some ways to beat cancer. Must make sure eat enough.

The western world is cut, burn and poison.
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Alrifht I'll search on metformin icon_rolleyes.gif
Currently she's eating mainly white rice, white mee, home cooked fishes, vegetable and yesterday just brought her a plastic bag filled with oranges and lemon icon_rolleyes.gif

We tried avoiding oliy food
Or tried to reduce the oil consumption(home cook)
But is coconut oil and virgin olive oil ok?

We're worried that the oil might "stick" onto her intestine and dirty the intestine

We use asian style 😂
We done almost all you stated wink.gif
And it's working
Or at least body fats starting to increase 😆
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post Oct 5 2015, 05:58 PM

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QUOTE(icehart85 @ Oct 4 2015, 03:49 PM)
Forget chemo, its only harming the whole body cells not targeting the cancer cells itself.

Its unfortunate that the doctors have to resort to chopping of the large intestine, and the doctor is so unprofessional in that it is a rush job without bringing awareness to the risk involves as well as the side effects.

Nevertheless, its important to remember that doctors most commonly treat the symptoms not the root cause of the disease.

I would suggest that your mom adopt a plant based food starting now and see where you go from there. No animal products including eggs and dairies. Sounds militant but we are talking about your mom's life here.

If you ask why doctors dont practice this, well they only have maximum 3 hours of nutrition study so they know shit about nutrition in curing disease.

Anyway, if you still unsure I strongly urge you to watch this video to know more about it:

http://nutritionfacts.org/video/solving-a-...cancer-mystery/

I only trust doctors who adopt plant based nutrition because the rests are aiming at selling you medications that you dont even need.
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Hii icehart
Thanks for reply and comment on my post
Sees your name almost every post 😂

The doctor have to chop it off due to the cancer grow too large in it; about 8 cm?

We currently tried to avoid chemo
Due to being low rate of success rate and/due to
The weakening of the body and killing the healthy cells(not all, but worried might be more than the targeted cells)

Now her diet consists of mainly vegetable and fish as only meat source

Thank for the vid (òuó☆)

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post Oct 5 2015, 06:00 PM

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At times like this i regretted not studying biology during SPM :cried:

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post Oct 6 2015, 02:13 AM

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QUOTE(janson_kaniaz @ Oct 4 2015, 05:12 PM)
Hi TS,

I'm not here to give advice or anything, just to share my experience of having a mom with cancer.

My mom had a stage 3 breast cancer when i was in my teen and she did not make it. I wish I knew more back then about cancer but I am not sure how much research and medication have improved over the years to cure cancer.

I remember vividly the doctor told us that chemotherapy for stage 3 patients is meant to prolong his/her life, not to cure the cancer as the chances of recurring is high. It's always hard to tell people this but the chances of death in a few years is quite high for stage 3 patients. My mom made it past 4 years before the cancer came back.

This was more than 10 years back. May be things have improved but I hope you do prepare for the worst. When you are faced with the worst case scenario, you have nothing to lose, so I suggest you to try all the possible remedies out there - western or otherwise. Give her the chance to live by doing all the positive alternatives. You never know that one of them might just work.

I hope for the best for your mom. There is nothing worst than losing a mom. Treasure her while you can.
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hi janson
my condolence to your mother
i know how it felt when seeing your mom in that state
it's really scary as you might not know when

the fear of the unknown

when i heard it was cancer,
instantly i thought of the worst case scenario
just keep crying n just wanting to bang my entire head onto a wall
hoping it just a joke
or a dream(once i literally dreamed it, cold sweat and too scarred to went back to sleep)

it's scary having this thought
everytime i see my mom,
i felt happy and scared
and when i bid her goodbyes
i just have to hold it in
not to cry in front of her
but eventually i cried lol

but i really admire how strong you are biggrin.gif

and will do thumbup.gif


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post Oct 8 2015, 01:12 AM

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QUOTE(nexusjd @ Oct 3 2015, 12:07 PM)
My mother in law had colon cancer stage 3 or 4  few year back. She did go through chemotherapy session, and it was a real suffer. Body became weak due to body cells killed during the chemotherapy.

She took alot of supplement products during that time. Such as Herbal Life and E.xcel during the chemotherapy session.
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is herbal life suitable for a cancerous body ?
cause i had a classmate whom drink that before
he gotten skinnier
but once he reached his desire body weight
he fat up again(even though he keep his exercise and eating)

what chemotherapy did she went through?
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post Oct 8 2015, 02:07 AM

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QUOTE(icehart85 @ Oct 4 2015, 03:59 PM)
TS,

Please also watch the annual summary of this guy's work in my thread:

https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopic=3724601&hl=

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post Oct 8 2015, 02:19 AM

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QUOTE(icehart85 @ Oct 4 2015, 03:49 PM)
Forget chemo, its only harming the whole body cells not targeting the cancer cells itself.

Its unfortunate that the doctors have to resort to chopping of the large intestine, and the doctor is so unprofessional in that it is a rush job without bringing awareness to the risk involves as well as the side effects.

Nevertheless, its important to remember that doctors most commonly treat the symptoms not the root cause of the disease.

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i agree on the chemo is harming your body

Quotes from wiki

"Hyperthermia therapy is a type of medical treatment in which body tissue is exposed to slightly higher temperatures to damage and kill cancer cells or to make cancer cells more sensitive to the effects of radiation and certain anti-cancer drugs. Techniques that may bring local tissues to quite high temperatures"

"Radiation therapy is commonly applied to the cancerous tumor because of its ability to control cell growth. Ionizing radiation works by damaging the DNA of cancerous tissue leading to cellular death."

and it's side effect ( the picture)


maybe one day my mom might do chemo
cause i think it's inevitable

but only maybe after her body get stronger
and her mentality is more positive unsure.gif

and from what i heard
the doctor has to cut the large intestine due to the cancer grow into a shape of a crab without it's legs
it grew go big that it jammed the large intestine cry.gif shocking.gif


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post Oct 8 2015, 02:29 AM

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QUOTE(BryanKek @ Oct 3 2015, 02:19 AM)
With treatment, Stage 3 got approximately about 40-80% survival rate depending on the sub stage. Ask your doctor about the exact staging and the expected 5 year survival rate for your mom before making any decision. Anyone can have colorectal cancer regardless of whether you are "healthy" or not. The key to successful cancer treatment is always early detection. Anyone over the age of 50(men especially) should go for annual colonoscopy to detect precancerous or cancerous lesions.

tldr;
Without chemo, confirm die, just a matter of when. Confirm suffer from cancer complications.(not only related to bowel, cancer can spread to other organs and cause other problems as well)
With chemo, might survive(ask the exact percentages from her doctor), might die, confirm suffer from side effects of chemo.

Consider these before making decision. And let your mother choose, she is the one that needs to choose whether she wants to fight or not.
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i heard many cancer stories over this 3 month
and here's my thought on chemo

chemo is good to some people
while it's bad to some

it burn and kill cells regardless of good or bad

some became cancer free
but some was fatally wounded

so it's kinda hard to say "Without chemo, confirm die"

but thank for you viewpoint
i think chemo is good
but maybe not at this time where her body is horribly weak sad.gif

and thanks for the heads up on the age 50 precancerous wink.gif

QUOTE(BryanKek @ Oct 3 2015, 02:19 AM)
edit: Regarding the earlier posts about metformin, bring it up to her doctor, metformin helps in prevention and also helps in therapy, but no conclusive evidence yet. Metformin has side effects too so don't simply give. Don't have negative perception about "western" medicine. There is no such thing as "western" or other kinds of medicine, there is only evidence based medicine. All treatments that the doctors suggest you mom is backed by the cumulative years of research by researchers all over the world.
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will ask on her next check up
which is around nov and when she going back to my house icon_rolleyes.gif
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post Oct 8 2015, 02:54 AM

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QUOTE(danieln @ Oct 3 2015, 12:28 PM)
and lastly, depends on what religion she believes in, let her get closer to it like some light reading or play some religious sermons or related stuffs for her. that is to help her calm her mood down. an angry and bad mood person kills more cells are some say. so try to keep her mood calm and happy.

I am not an expert in this field but this are some advise I hear a lot. so hopefully it will help you. And good luck to your family.
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Thank you for the advice rclxms.gif icon_rolleyes.gif /
and thanks for the wishes biggrin.gif
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post Oct 8 2015, 02:57 AM

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QUOTE(philipskardon @ Oct 4 2015, 02:21 AM)
U probably have not checked with the oncologist yet. Have a chat and find out how many sessions suggested. That will give you a time frame on how long long the perceived "suffering" is. Every individual reacts differently.

Once you hear the oncology out.. Then comes the hard decisions. Honestly... What other options do u have?

Regardless of your options, Diet changes as suggested by others gives you a piece of mind and hope.. But don't totally go vegan. Great if you can do it but no scientific proof. Supplements, anything that might induce hormonal changes should be avoided. Obviously you will never know specifically which may do so... 

Most important.. Stay positive, clean environment and try to be happy
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icon_rolleyes.gif okiee

i'll ask on her next check up which is around nov laugh.gif

and is not that we're avoiding chemo
but ya actually we are but it's because having 3 surgeries + massive loss of body fats + bad mentality
we decided to no chemo first
until it seem ok to proceed unsure.gif
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post Oct 8 2015, 03:03 AM

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QUOTE(DemonTweakZ @ Oct 5 2015, 02:43 PM)
Well seems like you guys are doing a great job so far! keep up the good work then!  flex.gif
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QUOTE(DemonTweakZ @ Oct 5 2015, 02:43 PM)
You mom will definitely be going through a tough time now. Remember, getting to grips with having cancer is also hard so she'll definitely be frustrated. Just be there for her when she complains about everything. A happy patient heals faster.
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that was the biggest mistake that me and my relative took
we were so worried and scared that we forgotten her mentality/emotional needs sad.gif
honestly, i felt like shit that it took me 2 month to realize that mega_shok.gif
but now i tried to listen and understand her more openly :>


QUOTE(DemonTweakZ @ Oct 5 2015, 02:43 PM)
My wife did 7 weeks of chemo (1 session + 5 x radiotherapy weekly). She basically goes to the cancer day care center and gets 3 IV drips (1 bottle of saline before and after her bottle of cisplatin). The saline is to avoid dehydration. On her 6th chemo session, she developed an alergic reaction to Cisplatin. According to the doctor, it's normal and she took some additional meds and was fine.

She's doing well now. She's got quarterly checkups with her ENT and Onco.
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that's good to hear biggrin.gif!!
and chemo sound ok :I
but the radiotherapy give me some worried sweat.gif
what dietary did your wife have? :B

QUOTE(DemonTweakZ @ Oct 5 2015, 02:43 PM)
Did you manage to ask your doctor for more info on the proposed treatment and medication type? Just be aware of the side effects of ANY method of medication. Read up before making your decision.

You should get a second opinion as well.
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betul pun~
i'll ask that on the next check up smile.gif
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post Oct 8 2015, 03:04 AM

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QUOTE(icehart85 @ Oct 5 2015, 06:13 PM)
It wont help as biology teach you nothing in nutrition. Heck, even medical doctors only have 3 hours max of study in nutrition throughout the many years of their study.

You have to take your time to research yourself on nutrition.
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post Oct 8 2015, 03:08 AM

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QUOTE(Empathy @ Oct 5 2015, 07:40 PM)
I just feel sorry for your mother . I done years of research on diseases and most of us treat doctors like God . If doctors were so smart , doctors would easily live more than 100 . But the fact is that doctors life span is just like us . Doctors were taught how to treat symptoms with nothing but drugs and we all know that drugs have horrible side effects long term .
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QUOTE(Empathy @ Oct 5 2015, 07:40 PM)
IMO cancer patients don't die of cancer but they die because of the horrible side effects of chemo .
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THIS IS WHAT I MEANT ABOUT CHEMOTHERAPY laugh.gif nod.gif notworthy.gif

QUOTE(Empathy @ Oct 5 2015, 07:40 PM)
How do we get cancer ? We get cancer because of our lifestyle . Eating the bad food , don't drink enough plain water , not enough sunshine , not enough fresh air , not enough sleep . The human body is really a fantastic machine that can heal itself , if we allow it to heal . If we keep on doing the bad lifestyle , the body don't have the chance to heal itself .
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coffee x 2 pack + cigarette + lack of sleep + over stressed + lack of appetites + stubborn to check up doh.gif shakehead.gif

 

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