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 Proton Prevé V23, Livin la vida loca

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SportyHandling
post Aug 29 2015, 12:40 PM

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QUOTE(hbgoh57 @ Aug 28 2015, 06:10 PM)
They told me change..if i refuse or choose to outside they will void the warranty for the disc brake as well..but taking into account the super expensive brake pad price might as well do it outside.I was too naive at that time
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Changing brake pads outside will void warranty for disc brakes? Oh well, guess that is their tactic of getting more income from existing owners.

If the car is problem-free, it is a good value for money car. But in my case, after several bouts of quality issues with the car especially in the gearbox and more rattling sound popping up inside the car, it is unlikely I will keep the car for more than 5 years. Even with the new gearbox, the performance of the car in the smoothness during acceleration has deteriorated a bit.

I used to alternate the Preve Turbo and Ford Focus as I own both cars. WHen the Preve Turbo was in the workshop for 2 weeks, I drove the Ford Focus to work for 2 weeks. After I returned to the Preve Turbo I noticed the lack of ergonomics when compared to the Ford Focus. The position of the gear knob and arm rest relative to the driver's seat is in such a way that it is more difficult to change gears when compared to the Ford Focus. Apart from other minor ergonomics issue. I guess Proton needs to improve more on this area in order to make quality cars, apart from the refinement in the engine/gearbox. The only good aspect of the car is the suspension which is solid and rather quiet.

Sorry for the rant. The Preve Turbo is still a good car with good value at its price point below RM70k.

This post has been edited by SportyHandling: Aug 29 2015, 12:44 PM
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QUOTE(voscar @ Aug 28 2015, 11:15 AM)
Maybe some other thing like aircond, turbo unit etc. Have you try to turn off the aircond see if the "liquid" sound still there?
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QUOTE(chnwng @ Aug 28 2015, 01:53 PM)
Could be ur turbo problem...blow valve leak?
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Sound is there even with air-cond switched off. Will be taking half-day leave to get the car to the service centre again sometime next week.

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post Aug 29 2015, 11:27 PM

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guys,
is there any car audio shop which install tablet?
because i have extra tablet,
i wanna replace the OEM preve radio (not the blaukpunkt batch)

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post Aug 30 2015, 09:48 AM

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QUOTE(SportyHandling @ Aug 29 2015, 12:40 PM)
Changing brake pads outside will void warranty for disc brakes? Oh well, guess that is their tactic of getting more income from existing owners.

If the car is problem-free, it is a good value for money car. But in my case, after several bouts of quality issues with the car especially in the gearbox and more rattling sound popping up inside the car, it is unlikely I will keep the car for more than 5 years. Even with the new gearbox, the performance of the car in the smoothness during acceleration has deteriorated a bit.

I used to alternate the Preve Turbo and Ford Focus as I own both cars. WHen the Preve Turbo was in the workshop for 2 weeks, I drove the Ford Focus to work for 2 weeks. After I returned to the Preve Turbo I noticed the lack of ergonomics when compared to the Ford Focus. The position of the gear knob and arm rest relative to the driver's seat is in such a way that it is more difficult to change gears when compared to the Ford Focus. Apart from other minor ergonomics issue. I guess Proton needs to improve more on this area in order to make quality cars, apart from the refinement in the engine/gearbox. The only good aspect of the car is the suspension which is solid and rather quiet.

Sorry for the rant. The Preve Turbo is still a good car with good value at its price point below RM70k.
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Is normal for sc to void disc brake warranty if u choose to change it on your own even for other car brands. I do agree with u that the car comes with some issues but luckily mine so far are all minor issues which doesnt not even require me to replace it if i am not fussy other than the disc brake when I first got my car.

The car is also poor in refinement as pointed by you but i guess proton is never known to be a refined car. The good point about this car is the handling and the suspension set up.having owned waja and gen2 previously i would say that proton has almost perfected the setup for our roads.It handles well and doesnt squeeks when going throungh bumps. Even some other better car brands is not able to provide such a good setup.

Mine had served me well and for the price I am paying I am totally happy with the car.I hope u get yours sorted out asap.Do keep us updated

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post Aug 31 2015, 11:35 AM

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QUOTE(hbgoh57 @ Aug 30 2015, 09:48 AM)
Is normal  for sc to void disc brake warranty if u choose to change it on your own even for other car brands. I do agree with u that the car comes with some issues but luckily mine so far are all minor issues which doesnt not even require me to replace it if i am not fussy other than the disc brake when I first got my car.

The car is also poor in refinement as pointed by you but i guess proton is never known to be a refined car. The good point about this car is the handling and the suspension set up.having owned waja and gen2 previously i would say that proton has almost perfected the setup for our roads.It handles well and doesnt squeeks when going throungh bumps. Even some other better car brands is not able to provide such a good setup.

Mine had served me well and for the price I am paying I am totally happy with the car.I hope u get yours sorted out asap.Do keep us updated
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Yes, the car's handling and suspension set up of the Preve Turbo are the good points of the car. Handling in terms of steering feel although may not match certain cars such as the Ford Focus, it is good nonetheless. However, the suspension is worthy of mention. A good suspension tuning which provides a good balance between handling and comfort. It is true that when the car goes over bumps and bad roads, the suspension not only doesn't emit any rattling sound (unlike the Ford Focus where the suspension is much noisier than the Preve when going over bad roads) but it felt solid and yet still comfortable. Basically you can drive over all the bumps and roads with bad uneven surface and you will still feel quite comfortable due to the suspension set up. Unlike some cars where you feel all the imperfections of the roads transmitted into the cabin with the suspension set up, not only in terms of noise in the rattling sound/squeaks/thuds of the suspension but the hard knocks in the ride which will result in a more uncomfortable ride.

The suspension setup in different cars are all tuned differently so you will feel the difference when you experience the ride of different vehicles. The Preve's suspension certainly feels more continental-like when compared to most of the Japanese cars which usually are soft/comfort-tuned. Though the refinement of the car, the finer things in the ergonomics and interior quality, gear knob quality and fabric seats etc. apart from the engine/gearbox operation during low speed acceleration are the letdowns.

Similarly I have owned the Proton Waja 1st generation with Mitsubishi Engine for more than 10 years before it was sold for this Proton Preve Turbo.

This post has been edited by SportyHandling: Aug 31 2015, 11:44 AM
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post Aug 31 2015, 06:44 PM

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Like to know whether the positions (distance apart) of the steering wheel and the brake/oil pedals are about the same as in Preve and in Wira.

Why?

My wife and I have been using our old Wira sedan and Wira aeroback for about 10 years. During that time, we never adjusted the seat position of either cars to suit our different height.

But when it comes to Preve, a BIG difference now. She has to move the seat very close to the steering wheel, so close that I cannot get into the seat when I want to drive!

Sorry to the fairer sex, lady drivers indeed! Ha.

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post Sep 1 2015, 02:32 PM

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Hi preve sifus. Anyone know what's the optimum tyre pressure for preve? smile.gif thanks
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QUOTE(garrysiow @ Sep 1 2015, 02:32 PM)
Hi preve sifus. Anyone know what's the optimum tyre pressure for preve?  smile.gif thanks
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I put both front and rear at 35psi, 3-4psi higher than recommendation by Proton. You can never know the conditions of the roads in Malaysia.
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post Sep 1 2015, 03:24 PM

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QUOTE(hbgoh57 @ Aug 30 2015, 09:48 AM)
Is normal  for sc to void disc brake warranty if u choose to change it on your own even for other car brands. I do agree with u that the car comes with some issues but luckily mine so far are all minor issues which doesnt not even require me to replace it if i am not fussy other than the disc brake when I first got my car.

The car is also poor in refinement as pointed by you but i guess proton is never known to be a refined car. The good point about this car is the handling and the suspension set up.having owned waja and gen2 previously i would say that proton has almost perfected the setup for our roads.It handles well and doesnt squeeks when going throungh bumps. Even some other better car brands is not able to provide such a good setup.

Mine had served me well and for the price I am paying I am totally happy with the car.I hope u get yours sorted out asap.Do keep us updated
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Just a quick update. I got my car to the service centre today and they detected the hose to the Turbo engine to have a tear. The sound is due to the leak through that hole. They replaced the hose. After I drove the car out from the service centre, I then got a new problem. The vibration in the car during moderate acceleration is now very strong. The whole dashboard of the car is vibrating when the car is doing moderate to hard acceleration. I can feel the vibration everywhere in the car on the dashboard and steering wheel.

On top of that, the alignment of the steering wheel has gone out. The steering wheel felt a bit loose as well.

IN summary, basically the condition of the car has deteriorated considerably after the gearbox was replaced. The car's performance (before the replacement of the faulty gearbox) is much better than after the new gearbox was installed onto the car.

From this experience, I would think that any major component replacement or upgrade may get the car into a worse state or condition instead of a better shape. Even if you have got a new component installed onto the car, ie. new gearbox or maybe new engine, it is not guaranteed that the condition of the car will improve. It may get considerably worse.

Even if there is warranty for certain parts, I would think it is a better bet that one does not encounter any problem with the car that may require a warranty claim on the part(s). It may just get your car into a poorer state with many frequent visits to troubleshoot the "after-effects" of the change.

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post Sep 1 2015, 03:29 PM

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On a side note, I had a chat with an experienced mechanic when I test-drove the car with him sitting by my side. Apparently he knew about the hose upgrade on the Proton Preve Turbo that some members had carried out here in an attempt to boost the acceleration and top speed of the car. (original rubber hose replaced with a blue-coloured hose and steel hose). He mentioned that although it may improve the top speed and acceleration of the car, it may bring problems to the Turbo engine as the flow is now direct after the upgrade. The Turbo engine has higher potential to leak, and the change in the Turbo hose will increase the risk of the leakage.
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post Sep 1 2015, 08:39 PM

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QUOTE(SportyHandling @ Sep 1 2015, 03:24 PM)
Just a quick update. I got my car to the service centre today and they detected the hose to the Turbo engine to have a tear. The sound is due to the leak through that hole. They replaced the hose. After I drove the car out from the service centre, I then got a new problem. The vibration in the car during moderate acceleration is now very strong. The whole dashboard of the car is vibrating when the car is doing moderate to hard acceleration. I can feel the vibration everywhere in the car on the dashboard and steering wheel.

On top of that, the alignment of the steering wheel has gone out. The steering wheel felt a bit loose as well.

IN summary, basically the condition of the car has deteriorated considerably after the gearbox was replaced. The car's performance (before the replacement of the faulty gearbox) is much better than after the new gearbox was installed onto the car.

From this experience, I would think that any major component replacement or upgrade may get the car into a worse state or condition instead of a better shape. Even if you have got a new component installed onto the car, ie. new gearbox or maybe new engine, it is not guaranteed that the condition of the car will improve. It may get considerably worse.

Even if there is warranty for certain parts, I would think it is a better bet that one does not encounter any problem with the car that may require a warranty claim on the part(s). It may just get your car into a poorer state with many frequent visits to troubleshoot the "after-effects" of the change.
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Sorry to hear about your bad experience.Did they manage to sort out the vibration?Could it be due to improper fitting of the certain parts during replacement?

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post Sep 2 2015, 08:13 AM

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QUOTE(:3mushy:3 @ Sep 1 2015, 03:05 PM)
I put both front and rear at 35psi, 3-4psi higher than recommendation by Proton. You can never know the conditions of the roads in Malaysia.
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Same for me, but it'll be a little more bumpy as compared to 30 p.s.i..
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post Sep 2 2015, 08:17 AM

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QUOTE(SportyHandling @ Sep 1 2015, 03:24 PM)
From this experience, I would think that any major component replacement or upgrade may get the car into a worse state or condition instead of a better shape. Even if you have got a new component installed onto the car, ie. new gearbox or maybe new engine, it is not guaranteed that the condition of the car will improve. It may get considerably worse.

Even if there is warranty for certain parts, I would think it is a better bet that one does not encounter any problem with the car that may require a warranty claim on the part(s). It may just get your car into a poorer state with many frequent visits to troubleshoot the "after-effects" of the change.
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The whole problem is the mechanics in some of the SCs are not adequately trained to handle major repairs as compared to those in the assembly line. Inadequate and/or incorrect tools/equipment, as well as improper attitude are the other factors.

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QUOTE(winners8 @ Sep 2 2015, 08:13 AM)
Same for me, but it'll be a little more bumpy as compared to 30 p.s.i..
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It's something you get used to after a while. Better than having the rims bent and damaged.
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hi owners, i have a preve cvt exec and i have never seen the ESC or ABS came on. How do i even know it is functioning? i have so far driven across deep water puddles at fast speed, but still no esc lights on. is this normal? took corners with stock tyres losing grip, also no esc came on. i dont want ask proton to check because they tell me when starting the car, the check lights are OK then is considered ok. but i need convince from u real owners. thank u
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QUOTE(SportyHandling @ Aug 12 2015, 10:10 PM)
I am curious to know if there are any Preve Turbo owners who often do frequent or occasional hard acceleration and high speed cruising on the car and did not experience any peculiar behavior with the CVT.
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Nope nothing happened to me so far.

here some proof...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJ6MnBPhvzM

see the video... actually been running that kind of speed from Rawang. The video ends in Tapah....

CVT3 transmission, wth Boost Spring and German Sausage Mods....Mileage of the car is around 40000km that time, CVT fluids onl changed at 60,000kkm.... original fluid in the CVt is RED replacement is BLUE

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QUOTE(umadbro @ Sep 2 2015, 09:48 AM)
hi owners, i have a preve cvt exec and i have never seen the ESC or ABS came on. How do i even know it is functioning? i have so far driven across deep water puddles at fast speed, but still no esc lights on. is this normal? took corners with stock tyres losing grip, also no esc came on. i dont want ask proton to check because they tell me when starting the car, the check lights are OK then is considered ok. but i need convince from u real owners. thank u
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Try accelerating on sandy surface.... accelerate means pedal to the metal from rest...
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QUOTE(hbgoh57 @ Sep 1 2015, 08:39 PM)
Sorry to hear about your bad experience.Did they manage to sort out the vibration?Could it be due to improper fitting of the certain parts during replacement?
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Likely an improper installation, or some other parts are faulty. They did not manage to sort out the vibration as I need to leave the service centre for a work apointment before lunch time. I will need to bring the car to the service centre either tomorrow or the day after.

There is rattling sound, something like a blades of a moving fan hitting a metal sound when accelerating at any speed level.
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Hi sifu, I just got a new preve turbo and I am currently facing some issue. When I park my car where gear in P sometimes I can't shift my gear out of P and need to restart car 2 times then OK. Currently its happen 7 out of 10 times I park my car. Any sifu hare face the same issue. BTW I will send the car to service centre
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QUOTE(winners8 @ Sep 2 2015, 08:17 AM)
The whole problem is the mechanics in some of the SCs are not adequately trained to handle major repairs as compared to those in the assembly line.  Inadequate and/or incorrect tools/equipment, as well as improper attitude are the other factors.
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Yes, but I would think the COE service centre beside Kesas highway should have competent mechanics being the largest Proton service centre in Malaysia, I believe. That is one of the reasons I always send my car to this COE, but even that shoddy repair work can still be expected. I hope the rattling sound and vibrations in the car can be sorted out during the 3rd visit to the service centre, which I hope to be the last.

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