QUOTE(neoexcaliber @ Jul 9 2015, 02:03 PM)
MOE: Portuguese invading Melaka were Crusaders
MOE: Portuguese invading Melaka were Crusaders
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Jul 9 2015, 02:05 PM
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Jul 9 2015, 02:08 PM
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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Jul 9 2015, 01:49 PM) Partly true. Lel.You don't have portuguese friend like I have. I have one and he's a pastor too. The portuguese came here on a conquest to expand their dominion but it also happened that they were already Christian and so thus together they did evangelize the gospel. However the primary reason has always been about expansion of their kingdom. Hence they always comes with pastor and doctor. Just like in the movie tears of the sun. Nothing wrong really. At least not asking to kill everyone and burn everything. Like the other party in tears of the sun. |
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Jul 9 2015, 02:08 PM
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QUOTE(aliesterfiend @ Jul 9 2015, 02:00 PM) The Fatimid Caliphate of Egypt rules the Levant though by the time the first crusaders arrived the area has been conquered by the Seljuks. Did Fatimid open the door to Crusaders to pass through so that Crusaders could visit Holy Land? There you have your answer. Write long long cock singing for what? |
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Jul 9 2015, 02:09 PM
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QUOTE(ironite @ Jul 9 2015, 02:04 PM) if you got 10 minutes, watch this video. Primarily it is political, correct. crash course history lesson. TL:DR The crusades was more about politics than religious reasons. Christians today don't really approve the Crusade because it goes against the tenets of our Faith however we cannot judge them as well because in those days and time, the Era, the social political settings are different, the lands are practically lawless. They did what they had to do, else Christian land would fall under Moslem conquest. If anything Moslems are the ones who started this first. The aggression. |
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Jul 9 2015, 02:10 PM
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Portugese went to Macau.
Ada Holy Land kat Macau ke? Topkek. |
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Jul 9 2015, 02:10 PM
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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Jul 9 2015, 01:52 PM) Anyway I just want to make one thing clear. The crusades first stated because the western kings were fighting among themselves. Then the Eastern Roman emperor request from the western pope to help them defend Anatolia from the invading Seljuks. Gregory VII earlier calls were mostly unheeded because it was purely economic and just to help the Byzantines by the western kings and not until Urban II manage to convince them to go further than Anatolia manage to convince them that they'll get immunity, redemption whatsoever if they take up the cross. The Crusade happened because of Moslem/Islamic conquest. It started because of that. To take back Christian land at that time. People nowadays ignorantly made it sound as if Christian started the Crusade just like that. That idea of retaking back the Christian land (which was already lost for 500 years) was just something that were made up at that time because Urban II actually intended to reunited back the Western and Eastern Churches. |
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Jul 9 2015, 02:11 PM
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QUOTE(TheReaderReads @ Jul 9 2015, 02:05 PM) r u Portuguese mix? any regret that u/family didn't join other portuguese back to portugal during the mid 60s-80s? Portuguese is just an subset of my ancestry lol.r ur D bigger than msians? My lineage can trace to Dutch, Portugueses, Chinese, Thai and Jew. Among all those countries, I think I'd prefer the Netherlands better. Anyway no regrets la, we Jews thrived everywhere. Luckily some other countries aren't that fond of changing history hence there are some proof of my ancestors contribution towards the crusade. |
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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Jul 9 2015, 02:09 PM) Primarily it is political, correct. Many people no understand. Christians today don't really approve the Crusade because it goes against the tenets of our Faith however we cannot judge them as well because in those days and time, the Era, the social political settings are different, the lands are practically lawless. They did what they had to do, else Christian land would fall under Moslem conquest. If anything Moslems are the ones who started this first. The aggression. Solomon came first? Or Sulaiman came first? |
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from flip flop ministers, now we flip flop education "sillybus"
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Jul 9 2015, 02:12 PM
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QUOTE(ALeUNe @ Jul 9 2015, 02:08 PM) Did Fatimid open the door to Crusaders to pass through so that Crusaders could visit Holy Land? Nope. It was the Byzantines, taking advantage of the civil wars among the muslims (between the Fatimid Arabs and Seljuk Turks) at that time.There you have your answer. Write long long cock singing for what? So are you questioning or are you answering ? |
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Jul 9 2015, 02:13 PM
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Jul 9 2015, 02:13 PM
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QUOTE(Slowpokeking @ Jul 9 2015, 02:11 PM) Portuguese is just an subset of my ancestry lol. Bumiputera starus rightMy lineage can trace to Dutch, Portugueses, Chinese, Thai and Jew. Among all those countries, I think I'd prefer the Netherlands better. Anyway no regrets la, we Jews thrived everywhere. Luckily some other countries aren't that fond of changing history hence there are some proof of my ancestors contribution towards the crusade. |
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Jul 9 2015, 02:13 PM
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QUOTE(ohman @ Jul 9 2015, 01:08 PM) ![]() KUALA LUMPUR: The Ministry of Education has sought to defend a controversial paragraph in the Form 1 Sejarah (History) textbook currently in use, reports the Malay Mail Online (MMO). The disputed fact, which was pointed out by local writer Uthaya Sankar SB in his Facebook post on June 30, comes from a paragraph from the 2009 edition of the book published by Dewan Bahasa dan Pustaka which reads – “Kedatangan orang Portugis ke Timur dikaitkan dengan keinginan mereka meneruskan Perang Salib. Mereka ingin menghancurkan kerajaan Islam yang ada di Timur termasuk kerajaan Melaka yang merupakan pusat perkembangan dan penyebaran agama Islam. Pada masa yang sama, Portugis mahu menyebarkan agama Kristian.” [Translation: “The arrival of the Portuguese to the East was associated with their desire to continue the Crusades. They aimed to destroy the existing Islamic governments of the East, including the Malacca government, which was then the centre for the expansion and propagation of Islam. At the same time, the Portuguese wanted to spread Christianity.”] “The fact in that textbook is correct and there is no error and the fact is based on checks and verification by the Quality Control Committee by local history experts appointed by Dewan Bahasa dan Pustaka,” the ministry was quoted by the MMO as saying, adding that the alleged “fact” was already stated when the current edition first went into print in 2002. MMO named the Quality Control Committee members as Abd Rahman Ali (Chairman), Professor Dr Khoo Kay Kim, Professor Dr Sabihah Osman, Associate Professor Dr Abdul Rahim Abd Rashid, Dr Nabir Abdullah, Dr Abdul Razak Dali, Dr Ahmad Jelani Halimi, Mohd Supian Sabtu, Masariah Mispari, Johara Abdul Wahab, Hasnah Hamzah, Norjah Yusop, Muslimin Fadzil, Ahmad Zainudin Husin and Khairul Azman Suhaimy. However, University of Malaya’s History Department Associate Professor Dr Sivachandralingam Sundara Raja, who sits on the Education Ministry’s oversight panel on history books, was quoted by MMO as saying that the disputed paragraph was incorrect although he claimed that the error was unintentional. He said that the primary purpose for which the Portuguese came to Malacca was for spice trade. He added, however, that other reasons such as spreading Christianity, weakening Islam and attaining glory have been present in local history textbooks since the 1960s. According to the MMO report, the Committee had reviewed the matter on July 2. ![]() ![]() ![]() |
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Jul 9 2015, 02:14 PM
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Holy cow, hangpc dan masuk
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Jul 9 2015, 02:14 PM
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Gold, God and Glory. Crusade (God) is just ONE OF the reasons.
Teaching it as the only reason (MOE) or saying that it is not a reason (detractors) is stupid. Malaysians are stupid. |
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