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hotjake
post Jul 9 2015, 01:50 PM

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QUOTE(azrinrar @ Jul 9 2015, 01:44 PM)
What are you talking about? The last sentence, "While Pires was imprisoned by the Chinese, he wrote that his cause was that of the Catholic religion's Crusade against Islam and it was worth dying at the hands of the Chinese for his cause" was quoted from Nigel Cliff (2011). Holy War: How Vasco da Gama's Epic Voyages Turned the Tide in a Centuries-Old Clash of Civilizations. HarperCollins. p. 368. ISBN 0062097105. Retrieved 18 July 2012.)
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i was responding to Einjahr about the wiki page itself which by the way use that tingkatan 1 textbook as reference, not picking on your quote and i didn't imply what you said was wrong.
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post Jul 9 2015, 01:50 PM

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QUOTE(hotjake @ Jul 9 2015, 01:38 PM)
and the reference from that wiki itself quoted:
Mohd Fawzi bin Mohd Basri; Mohd Fo'ad bin Sakdan; Azami bin Man (2002). Kurikulum Bersepadu Sekolah Menengah Sejarah Tingkatan 1. Kuala Lumpur: Dewan Bahasa dan Pustaka. p. 95. ISBN 983-62-7410-3. biggrin.gif
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From The Crusades and the Expansion of the Catholic Christendom by Professor John France.
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post Jul 9 2015, 01:51 PM

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dont care. i like Portuguese egg tarts
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post Jul 9 2015, 01:51 PM

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It was partly due to religion spreading and also partly due to the spice trade. Afterall, the europeans value the spice from the SEA.

Those pepper and etc.

But the western colonization brought in booming industry and ppl became educated to the western perception.

This post has been edited by TheReaderReads: Jul 9 2015, 01:52 PM
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post Jul 9 2015, 01:52 PM

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Jul 9 2015, 01:49 PM)
Partly true.

You don't have portuguese friend like I have.

I have one and he's a pastor too.

The portuguese came here on a conquest to expand their dominion but it also happened that they were already Christian and so thus together they did evangelize the gospel.

However the primary reason has always been about expansion of their kingdom.
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I'm sure you'll have different opinion regarding the Arab and later Ottoman (Turkish) expansion of their dominion who happened to be muslims.
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post Jul 9 2015, 01:52 PM

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QUOTE(aliesterfiend @ Jul 9 2015, 01:50 PM)
read again all my comments and tell me if i deny anything about the tered title
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post Jul 9 2015, 01:52 PM

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Anyway I just want to make one thing clear.

The Crusade happened because of Moslem/Islamic conquest.

It started because of that. To take back Christian land at that time.

People nowadays ignorantly made it sound as if Christian started the Crusade just like that.
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post Jul 9 2015, 01:54 PM

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QUOTE(desmond2020 @ Jul 9 2015, 01:11 PM)
Dafuq, where did these people get their history knowledge?
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QUOTE(aliesterfiend @ Jul 9 2015, 01:52 PM)
I'm sure you'll have different opinion regarding the Arab and later Ottoman (Turkish) expansion of their dominion who happened to be muslims.
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Yes the antidote to this is the Crusade. Ottoman lost later on, good riddance.
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post Jul 9 2015, 01:54 PM

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Didn't know my ancestors were that awesome.

Hence we should continue the crusade!
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post Jul 9 2015, 01:56 PM

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Jul 9 2015, 01:52 PM)
Anyway I just want to make one thing clear.

The Crusade happened because of Moslem/Islamic conquest.

It started because of that. To take back Christian land at that time.

People nowadays ignorantly made it sound as if Christian started the Crusade just like that.
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can't really blame them for ignorance, they do go to only one textbook for reference ma that's if they really did read it at all
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post Jul 9 2015, 01:56 PM

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post Jul 9 2015, 01:57 PM

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QUOTE(azrinrar @ Jul 9 2015, 01:32 PM)
Chinese retaliation against Portugal

The Malay Malacca Sultanate was a tributary state and ally to Ming Dynasty China. When Portugal conquered Malacca in 1511, the Chinese responded with violence against the Portuguese when Portugal sent the diplomatic ambassador, Tomé Pires in 1516. After Pires reached Beijing in 1520 the Chinese decided to arrest the embassy. The deposed Malaccan Sultan Mahmud Shah sent another message to China, and this time, China responded by executing the Portuguese diplomatic embassy.

The Chinese Imperial Government imprisoned and executed multiple Portuguese diplomatic envoys after torturing them in Guangzhou. The Malaccan envoys had informed the Chinese of the Portuguese seizure of Malacca, to which the Chinese responded with hostility toward the Portuguese. The Malaccans told the Chinese of the deception the Portuguese used, disguising plans for conquering territory as mere trading activities, and told of all the deprivations they had passed at the hands of the Portuguese.

Due to the Malaccan Sultan lodging a complaint against the Portuguese invasion to the Chinese Emperor, the Portuguese were greeted with hostility from the Chinese when they arrived in China. The Malaccan Sultan, based in Bintan after fleeing Malacca, sent a message to the Chinese, which combined with Portuguese banditry and violent activity in China, led the Chinese authorities to execute 23 Portuguese and torture the rest of them in jails. After the Portuguese set up posts for trading in China and committed piratical activities and raids in China, the Chinese responded with the complete extermination of the Portuguese in Ningbo and Quanzhou. Pires, a Portuguese trade envoy, was among those who died in the Chinese dungeons. While Pires was imprisoned by the Chinese, he wrote that his cause was that of the Catholic religion's Crusade against Islam and it was worth dying at the hands of the Chinese for his cause.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capture_of_Ma...gainst_Portugal

Puas hati tak /k/ ?
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Lol wikipedia. Where anybody can edit.
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post Jul 9 2015, 01:58 PM

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QUOTE(pokchik @ Jul 9 2015, 01:56 PM)
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post Jul 9 2015, 01:59 PM

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QUOTE(aliesterfiend @ Jul 9 2015, 01:41 PM)
You say Melaka is no Holy Land - true

You imply that crusades only involve holy land - false

I show you exmaples that crusades does not only involves wars in the Levant (another name of Holy Land).
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post Jul 9 2015, 02:00 PM

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QUOTE(ALeUNe @ Jul 9 2015, 01:43 PM)
Go check what is crusade and make it in one line.


Literally it means to take up the cross.

QUOTE(ALeUNe @ Jul 9 2015, 01:43 PM)
Who ruled Levant before Crusaders came?
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The Fatimid Caliphate of Egypt rules the Levant though by the time the first crusaders arrived the area has been conquered by the Seljuks.
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post Jul 9 2015, 02:01 PM

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QUOTE(andrewhtf @ Jul 9 2015, 01:57 PM)
Lol wikipedia. Where anybody can edit.
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i would like to make a stand here.

Pires is actually French, he played for Arsenal and part of the Invincibles.
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post Jul 9 2015, 02:03 PM

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Even that Khoo Kay Khim has been willing to revise history to appease his political masters.
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post Jul 9 2015, 02:04 PM

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Jul 9 2015, 01:52 PM)
Anyway I just want to make one thing clear.

The Crusade happened because of Moslem/Islamic conquest.

It started because of that. To take back Christian land at that time.

People nowadays ignorantly made it sound as if Christian started the Crusade just like that.
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if you got 10 minutes, watch this video.
crash course history lesson.





TL:DR The crusades was more about politics than religious reasons.
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post Jul 9 2015, 02:04 PM

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QUOTE(pokchik @ Jul 9 2015, 02:01 PM)
i would like to make a stand here.

Pires is actually French, he played for Arsenal and part of the Invincibles.
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