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post Jul 9 2015, 02:23 PM

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history wrote by the victors.

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post Jul 9 2015, 02:24 PM

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QUOTE(desmond2020 @ Jul 9 2015, 02:20 PM)
My bad, mess up the name
But they would say their scripture is untempered version
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No one disputed Abraham and Moses for thousand of years.
Meaning anak cucu Abraham and Moses didn't dispute the history of Abraham and Moses for thousand of years.
Neighbours who knew Abraham and Moses pun enjoiced living happily ever after with Abraham and Moses for thousand of years.

Thousand of years later, suddenly they became Ibrahim and Musa overnight.

That pretty much sums up the what really happened to the names for guys like Ibrahim, Musa, Sulaiman and their gang members.
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post Jul 9 2015, 02:24 PM

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rugi woo halau portugis.. kalo tak da bole masuk piala dunia.. ada cr7 malaya

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QUOTE(YellowKingValley @ Jul 9 2015, 02:14 PM)
Gold, God and Glory. Crusade (God) is just ONE OF the reasons.

Teaching it as the only reason (MOE) or saying that it is not a reason (detractors) is stupid. Malaysians are stupid.
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post Jul 9 2015, 02:25 PM

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QUOTE(aliesterfiend @ Jul 9 2015, 02:15 PM)
So when you cannot reply to my post you resort to attack me personally ?

Is that a general Christian attitude ?

I have a lot of Christian friend and none of them acts like you so I don't think you are a good example of how a Christian should act.
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QUOTE(Einjahr @ Jul 9 2015, 02:18 PM)
Christianity was also spread to America
but that itself was no crusade kan?
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America was introduced through European colonization.
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post Jul 9 2015, 02:26 PM

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QUOTE(bananajoe @ Jul 9 2015, 02:22 PM)
Moral of the story, BS will get you an A in SPM sejarah laugh.gif
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post Jul 9 2015, 02:27 PM

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QUOTE(ALeUNe @ Jul 9 2015, 01:22 PM)
Crusader went protected holy land.

Melaka ada holy land ke?
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post Jul 9 2015, 02:27 PM

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Jul 9 2015, 02:09 PM)
Primarily it is political, correct.

Christians today don't really approve the Crusade because it goes against the tenets of our Faith however we cannot judge them as well because in those days and time, the Era, the social political settings are different, the lands are practically lawless. They did what they had to do, else Christian land would fall under Moslem conquest.

If anything Moslems are the ones who started this first. The aggression.
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If you're talking about retaking the Holy Land which was Christian before the Arab conquest please know that Christian Romans only ruled the are for 300 years while Muslim Arabs have ruled the area for 500 years and claiming it as muslim 'did it first' the Romans (though they were still worshipping Jupiter, Mars etc) took them from native Jews which then the Jews were not even allowed in the city.

It was after the Muslim conquest of Jerusalem in the 7th century when the Jews were invited back to Jerusalem.
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post Jul 9 2015, 02:28 PM

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QUOTE(ALeUNe @ Jul 9 2015, 02:17 PM)
You mean Moses came first or Musa came first?

You mean Abraham came first or Ibrahim came first?

One thing for sure, Moses and Abraham would give you the face of WTF if you call them Musa and Ibrahim.
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I think they still giv u a WTF if u call them Moses and Abraham as that is a english pronunciation.
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QUOTE(Slowpokeking @ Jul 9 2015, 02:23 PM)
I don't know, I never peek other M'sia's D, and I supposedI'm not interested to either.  laugh.gif
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Oh and there is another question i posted to u.

Any regrets for not going back to portugal?

Bcuz during the 1960s-1980s, many portuguese who was born and has lived in msia for centuries have finally decided to return to mother land - portugal.

If ur family choose to be back portugal, maybe u would play football professionally and date a EU model gf tongue.gif
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hang, lu pergi tolong negeri melaka admin website update sebab2 melaka ditakluk
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http://www.melaka.gov.my/en/tentang-kami/sejarah
1500 - Tun cross section Tun Perak cousin, was appointed as Treasurer Treasurer called Seri Maharaja and became treasurer of the most powerful among the princes of the Malacca Sultanate.

1509 - Diego Lopez de Sequiera with 18 ships of the Royal Fleet Portugal arrived in Malacca. They were the first Europeans to arrive in Southeast Asia. For that reason disputes, forces attacked by Malacca and 20 crew arrested by local people.

1510 - Treasurer Tun and his family were killed on the cross section of said Sultan Mahmud Shah because he refused to hand over to his son Tun Fatimah. Realizing his mistake, Sultan Mahmud Shah to abdicate for a while and was replaced by his son, Sultan Ahmad Shah.

1511- Alfonso de Albuquerque, the Portuguese viceroy in Goa, arrived in Malacca on Aug. 10 and made ​​a request to build a headquarters of the Portuguese but was rejected by the sultan. After 10 days besieged, the Portuguese captured Malacca Town on August 24. Since then, the Portuguese ruled Malacca for 130 years.

1512 - Albuquerque returned to Goa in January after completing the A Famosa, a fortress city has five storey tower height. Then Sultan Mahmud Shah to attack the Portuguese

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Malacca Musket / Istinggar Melaka / Mosquete Luso-Cingalo-Malaio



Malacca Musket / Istinggar Melaka / Mosquete Luso-Cingalo-Malaio


This matchlock being displayed at the CCCM Museum Lisbon is labelled as either Malaccan or Ceylonese. But it looks too cool to be Ceylonese. Besides, the hammer on ceylonese matchlocks are shaped like heads of animals or heathen gods while Malay gun hammers look more Islamic like on this musket. Since this gun is Malaccan, it definitely was made no later than 1511.



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Sources : Museu do CCCM, Lisboa, inv. 1000




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QUOTE(xen0 @ Jul 9 2015, 02:24 PM)
rugi woo halau portugis.. kalo tak da bole masuk piala dunia.. ada cr7 malaya
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NO, i rather have british overlord than portugal one


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QUOTE(HangPC2 @ Jul 9 2015, 02:29 PM)
Malacca Musket / Istinggar Melaka / Mosquete Luso-Cingalo-Malaio
Malacca Musket / Istinggar Melaka / Mosquete Luso-Cingalo-Malaio
This matchlock being displayed at the CCCM Museum Lisbon is labelled as either Malaccan or Ceylonese. But it looks too cool to be Ceylonese. Besides, the hammer on ceylonese matchlocks are shaped like heads of animals or heathen gods while Malay gun hammers look more Islamic like on this musket. Since this gun is Malaccan, it definitely was made no later than 1511.
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Sources : Museu do CCCM, Lisboa, inv. 1000

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woa woa woa, I thought the melei fight with spear and keris only?
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QUOTE(ALeUNe @ Jul 9 2015, 02:17 PM)
One thing for sure, Moses and Abraham would give you the face of WTF if you call them Musa and Ibrahim.
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Moses and Abraham were English words, not Hebrew which Moses certainly spoke so they'll recognize Musa and Ibrahim more rather than Moses and Abraham since Hebrew/Aramaic is much closer to Arabic than English.
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QUOTE(HangPC2 @ Jul 9 2015, 02:29 PM)
Malacca Musket / Istinggar Melaka / Mosquete Luso-Cingalo-Malaio
Malacca Musket / Istinggar Melaka / Mosquete Luso-Cingalo-Malaio
This matchlock being displayed at the CCCM Museum Lisbon is labelled as either Malaccan or Ceylonese. But it looks too cool to be Ceylonese. Besides, the hammer on ceylonese matchlocks are shaped like heads of animals or heathen gods while Malay gun hammers look more Islamic like on this musket. Since this gun is Malaccan, it definitely was made no later than 1511.
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Sources : Museu do CCCM, Lisboa, inv. 1000

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This gun is malaccan malay? looks beautiful

Who help them develop it? Is it a gift from the portuguese b4 they attack melaka?
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post Jul 9 2015, 02:33 PM

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QUOTE(aliesterfiend @ Jul 9 2015, 02:10 PM)
The crusades first stated because the western kings were fighting among themselves. Then the Eastern Roman emperor request from the western pope to help them defend Anatolia from the invading Seljuks. Gregory VII earlier calls were mostly unheeded because it was purely economic and just to help the Byzantines by the western kings and not until Urban II manage to convince them to go further than Anatolia manage to convince them that they'll get immunity, redemption whatsoever if they take up the cross.

That idea of retaking back the Christian land (which was already lost for 500 years) was just something that were made up at that time because Urban II actually intended to reunited back the Western and Eastern Churches.
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QUOTE(aliesterfiend @ Jul 9 2015, 02:27 PM)
If you're talking about retaking the Holy Land which was Christian before the Arab conquest please know that Christian Romans only ruled the are for 300 years while Muslim Arabs have ruled the area for 500 years and claiming it as muslim 'did it first' the Romans (though they were still worshipping Jupiter, Mars etc) took them from native Jews which then the Jews were not even allowed in the city.

It was after the Muslim conquest of Jerusalem in the 7th century when the Jews were invited back to Jerusalem.
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