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post Jul 9 2015, 01:22 PM

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Crusader went protected holy land.

Melaka ada holy land ke?
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post Jul 9 2015, 01:36 PM

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QUOTE(hippihippo @ Jul 9 2015, 01:34 PM)
Portuguese invading were Crusade, then these invasions were?

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Solomon dah jadi Sulaiman. Apa lagi u mau?
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post Jul 9 2015, 01:38 PM

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QUOTE(aliesterfiend @ Jul 9 2015, 01:29 PM)
Crusades does not only involve the levant. The Teutonic crusades was directed at pagan Baltic states, while the Albigensian Crusade was conducted in France.

After the fall of the Ayyubid Egypt and the rise of the Mameluks which manage to defeat all existing Christian kingdoms in the Levant there's no more crusades sent to the Holy Land.

Melaka was part of the crusades against the Ottman Empire.
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Don't make things complicated.
It ain't helping.

I no understand what cock you sing.
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post Jul 9 2015, 01:43 PM

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QUOTE(aliesterfiend @ Jul 9 2015, 01:41 PM)
You say Melaka is no Holy Land - true

You imply that crusades only involve holy land - false

I show you exmaples that crusades does not only involves wars in the Levant (another name of Holy Land).
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Go check what is crusade and make it in one line.

Who ruled Levant before Crusaders came?
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post Jul 9 2015, 02:08 PM

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QUOTE(aliesterfiend @ Jul 9 2015, 02:00 PM)
The Fatimid Caliphate of Egypt rules the Levant though by the time the first crusaders arrived the area has been conquered by the Seljuks.
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Did Fatimid open the door to Crusaders to pass through so that Crusaders could visit Holy Land?

There you have your answer.
Write long long cock singing for what?

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post Jul 9 2015, 02:10 PM

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Portugese went to Macau.

Ada Holy Land kat Macau ke?

Topkek.
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post Jul 9 2015, 02:11 PM

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Jul 9 2015, 02:09 PM)
Primarily it is political, correct.

Christians today don't really approve the Crusade because it goes against the tenets of our Faith however we cannot judge them as well because in those days and time, the Era, the social political settings are different, the lands are practically lawless. They did what they had to do, else Christian land would fall under Moslem conquest.

If anything Moslems are the ones who started this first. The aggression.
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Many people no understand.

Solomon came first?
Or Sulaiman came first?
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post Jul 9 2015, 02:16 PM

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QUOTE(aliesterfiend @ Jul 9 2015, 02:12 PM)
Nope. It was the Byzantines, taking advantage of the civil wars among the muslims (between the Fatimid Arabs and Seljuk Turks) at that time.

So are you questioning or are you answering ?
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So, Crusaders would whack 9 Levant because Fatimah didn't open door. Common sense.
It's war. Not sales call.
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post Jul 9 2015, 02:17 PM

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QUOTE(desmond2020 @ Jul 9 2015, 02:14 PM)
Musa or Abraham?
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You mean Moses came first or Musa came first?

You mean Abraham came first or Ibrahim came first?

One thing for sure, Moses and Abraham would give you the face of WTF if you call them Musa and Ibrahim.
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post Jul 9 2015, 02:24 PM

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QUOTE(desmond2020 @ Jul 9 2015, 02:20 PM)
My bad, mess up the name
But they would say their scripture is untempered version
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No one disputed Abraham and Moses for thousand of years.
Meaning anak cucu Abraham and Moses didn't dispute the history of Abraham and Moses for thousand of years.
Neighbours who knew Abraham and Moses pun enjoiced living happily ever after with Abraham and Moses for thousand of years.

Thousand of years later, suddenly they became Ibrahim and Musa overnight.

That pretty much sums up the what really happened to the names for guys like Ibrahim, Musa, Sulaiman and their gang members.
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post Jul 9 2015, 02:42 PM

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QUOTE(yugimudo @ Jul 9 2015, 02:28 PM)
I think they still giv u a WTF if u call them Moses and Abraham as that is a english pronunciation.
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QUOTE(aliesterfiend @ Jul 9 2015, 02:31 PM)
Moses and Abraham were English words, not Hebrew which Moses certainly spoke so they'll recognize Musa and Ibrahim more rather than Moses and Abraham since Hebrew/Aramaic is much closer to Arabic than English.
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They wouldn't because the anak cucu of Moses and Abraham knew we use england to call them.
The history of Abraham and Moses was unaltered.

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post Jul 9 2015, 02:45 PM

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QUOTE(aliesterfiend @ Jul 9 2015, 02:44 PM)
So now it change the the historical Moses/Musa and Abraham/Ibrahim to their anak cucu ?

Change the goal post suddenly ?

Ok you win.
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Pronunciation is only one of the WTFs.

The history altered as well.

They gave WTF too.
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post Jul 9 2015, 03:22 PM

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QUOTE(Imp Bron @ Jul 9 2015, 03:16 PM)
Since moses originated from ancient Egypt his name should be  closer to Musa and jews name for Abraham is Abram. They will be shocked to hear their English name too.
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The pronunciation is only one of the disputes.

Let me give you an analogy.

A: Are you cucu of Mr Lim?
B: No, I am Liam family.
A: Oh Liam... how's your nenek Hagar?
B: (WTF) My nenek is Sarah. Hagar was my maid.

Not only the name, the history altered too.
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