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post Jul 9 2015, 01:51 PM

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It was partly due to religion spreading and also partly due to the spice trade. Afterall, the europeans value the spice from the SEA.

Those pepper and etc.

But the western colonization brought in booming industry and ppl became educated to the western perception.

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post Jul 9 2015, 02:05 PM

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QUOTE(Slowpokeking @ Jul 9 2015, 01:54 PM)
Didn't know my ancestors were that awesome.

Hence we should continue the crusade!
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r u Portuguese mix? any regret that u/family didn't join other portuguese back to portugal during the mid 60s-80s?

r ur D bigger than msians? tongue.gif
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post Jul 9 2015, 02:20 PM

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QUOTE(Slowpokeking @ Jul 9 2015, 02:11 PM)
Portuguese is just an subset of my ancestry lol.

My lineage can trace to Dutch, Portugueses, Chinese, Thai and Jew.

Among all those countries, I think I'd prefer the Netherlands better.

Anyway no regrets la, we Jews thrived everywhere. Luckily some other countries aren't that fond of changing history hence there are some proof of my ancestors contribution towards the crusade.
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Serious? u hv jew blood? shocking.gif

btw, u left one question out. Is your D bigger than us asian msia size since ur Portuguese mix? brows.gif
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post Jul 9 2015, 02:28 PM

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QUOTE(Slowpokeking @ Jul 9 2015, 02:23 PM)
I don't know, I never peek other M'sia's D, and I supposedI'm not interested to either.  laugh.gif
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Oh and there is another question i posted to u.

Any regrets for not going back to portugal?

Bcuz during the 1960s-1980s, many portuguese who was born and has lived in msia for centuries have finally decided to return to mother land - portugal.

If ur family choose to be back portugal, maybe u would play football professionally and date a EU model gf tongue.gif
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post Jul 9 2015, 02:32 PM

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QUOTE(HangPC2 @ Jul 9 2015, 02:29 PM)
Malacca Musket / Istinggar Melaka / Mosquete Luso-Cingalo-Malaio
Malacca Musket / Istinggar Melaka / Mosquete Luso-Cingalo-Malaio
This matchlock being displayed at the CCCM Museum Lisbon is labelled as either Malaccan or Ceylonese. But it looks too cool to be Ceylonese. Besides, the hammer on ceylonese matchlocks are shaped like heads of animals or heathen gods while Malay gun hammers look more Islamic like on this musket. Since this gun is Malaccan, it definitely was made no later than 1511.
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Sources : Museu do CCCM, Lisboa, inv. 1000

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This gun is malaccan malay? looks beautiful

Who help them develop it? Is it a gift from the portuguese b4 they attack melaka?
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post Jul 9 2015, 02:58 PM

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QUOTE(HangPC2 @ Jul 9 2015, 02:41 PM)
Malaccan Malay Jong (Jong Melayu)
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This is the Jong melayu use by Laksamana Hang Tuah?

Nice... I nvr tot melaka got such big boat like this with so many sails
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post Jul 9 2015, 04:04 PM

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QUOTE(tdzheng @ Jul 9 2015, 03:57 PM)
QUOTE(HangPC2 @ Jul 9 2015, 04:02 PM)
Oda Nobunaga
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QUOTE(aliesterfiend @ Jul 9 2015, 03:59 PM)
tongue.gif I don't read much about that part except those involves the Sengoku Jidai. Might have read that up sometimes. Any good sources ? Online preferably lah.
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fellow historians,

Since now we are touching japanese adi.

1) Why is there animosity between china and japan until to-date?

2) Who cause more trouble to each other?

Seem like these has been on-going for centuries!

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post Jul 9 2015, 04:22 PM

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QUOTE(aliesterfiend @ Jul 9 2015, 04:10 PM)
That's interesting. Maybe open in RWI ? Nanti banyak sangat kaki lumba kat sini. Kena POTA nanti.  tongue.gif

All I know is that the Japanese invasion of Korea are planned to be just the stepping stone from the conquest of China later. Of course that's my understanding reading romance and historical fictions though.  blush.gif

From NYT.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/07/opinion/...along.html?_r=0

Japan’s rise in the late 19th century was seen as an affront by China, which had always felt entitled to the mantle of regional leadership.
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QUOTE(ray123 @ Jul 9 2015, 04:11 PM)
After the reunification of Japan by Tokugawa, the defeated samurai were masterless. Combined with the fact that the Tokugawa were beginning a period of insularity and peace, it meant samurai and soldiers who depended on their martial skills were sidelined in the new peace-time economy and culture. These dishonored, defeated warriors have little choice but turn to piracy and banditry. Unscrupulous pirates often hire them to augment their raid parties and they were known as the Wokou.

The ill-feelings started ever since the Japanese and the Chinese empires first met. Both regard themselves as "the only cultured kingdom" and "everyone else are inferior barbarians". As the saying goes, "there can't be two tigers on one mountain, the sky can't have two suns" and obviously this leads to conflict.

Only the sea and sheer distance kept the Chinese from invading the Japanese islands, and logistical and political problems prevented the Japanese from successfully conquering the entire Korean peninsular as a launchpad into China.
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Ahhh yes, that is y the koreans also dislike the japanese apart from what the japanese did to them during the world war 2 if not mistaken.

And the koreans may seem to have regarded the chinese as their big brother.

Yea, I use to be at RWI until I fell in love with the /k language here and trollings. Just too addictive. brows.gif
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post Jul 9 2015, 04:26 PM

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QUOTE(tdzheng @ Jul 9 2015, 04:17 PM)
LEL, Chinese and Japanese animosity only started in ww2 after the rape of Nanking, before that quite close actually
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Forgive me for my ignorance, but whenever I watch those HK/China movies especially those that relates with japan, can see that some character hates japanese.

I was actually ask by my colleagues last 2 years why china relationship with japan not good. Was it china who created trouble for the japanese?

I had to go online to search quick sources. And I found wiki for quick history course

Wiki source of sino-japanese relations since early centuries.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Si...anese_relations
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post Jul 9 2015, 04:34 PM

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QUOTE(aliesterfiend @ Jul 9 2015, 04:24 PM)
This is helpful just for general information.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_inva...592%E2%80%9398)
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interesting... will scrutinize it after work!
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post Jul 9 2015, 04:53 PM

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Away from crusades conflict, this historical manga is good read!

It is during the era when china is about to be united as a country under shih huang di

Kingdom

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post Jul 9 2015, 11:11 PM

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QUOTE(aliesterfiend @ Jul 9 2015, 09:57 PM)
Christians had a few hundred years head start. Give muslims a few more hundred years to be fair.

Though to be honest those 'Christian' nations simply just chnage their tone, from wars to spread religion, they just change them to wars to spread democracy.
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Topkek!

Korea took 40 years to be what it is today. China too or lesser. Japan too was within decades. Japan was a country that notoriously produce lousy quality. Now, Japan is a country that is synonymous to good quality.

Brands like:-
Toyota
Honda
Samsung
Hyundai
Xiaomi
Huawei

are already giants if not growing giants.

Arab with their black gold for decades, could not develop as fast as the far east asians.

How can u be so sure that giving muslims (arab nations/malaysia/turkey/kazakhstan/indonesia) a hundred more years will be equal to the christians (western world)?

A little meme for you:-
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post Jul 9 2015, 11:17 PM

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QUOTE(HangPC2 @ Jul 9 2015, 10:39 PM)
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Yup, it was during the dark ages of europe when the muslims were better equip in technology.

During the dark ages in europe, science was treated as if it was witchcraft if not mistaken...
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post Jul 10 2015, 12:10 AM

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QUOTE(aliesterfiend @ Jul 9 2015, 11:32 PM)
So now instead of discussing the historical crusades you want to resort to the actual crusade ?

Ok.

Whatever rocks your boat man.

I'll give you the victory lap and don't forget to take home your trophy.

I'm out.
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My previous response to you was BECAUSE!!! u wrote this:-

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Christians had a few hundred years head start. Give muslims a few more hundred years to be fair.


Isn't it relevant for me to resort to the "actual crusade"? hmm.gif
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post Jul 10 2015, 10:30 AM

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If I enter this debate, I will be reported for generalization...

Better eat popcorn and work hard in office today tongue.gif
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post Jul 10 2015, 10:35 AM

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QUOTE(aliesterfiend @ Jul 10 2015, 10:33 AM)
You should wear the reports as a badge of honor. Later we compare sapa lagi banyak.  tongue.gif
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