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post Jul 9 2015, 01:59 PM

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obama sapork u nod.gif u mus go syria and mujahid , kipidap, strap your bombs and off u go flex.gif
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QUOTE(aliesterfiend @ Jul 9 2015, 01:41 PM)
You say Melaka is no Holy Land - true

You imply that crusades only involve holy land - false

I show you exmaples that crusades does not only involves wars in the Levant (another name of Holy Land).
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post Jul 9 2015, 02:05 PM

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powah of usd700million CSR program

QUOTE(neoexcaliber @ Jul 9 2015, 02:03 PM)
Even that Khoo Kay Khim has been willing to revise history to appease his political masters.
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post Jul 9 2015, 02:17 PM

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On November 27, 1095, Pope Urban II makes perhaps the most influential speech of the Middle Ages, giving rise to the Crusades by calling all Christians in Europe to war against Muslims in order to reclaim the Holy Land
http://www.history.com/this-day-in-history...s-first-crusade
Since the 6th century, Christians frequently made pilgrimages to the birthplace of their religion, but when the Seljuk Turks took control of Jerusalem, Christians were barred from the Holy City. When the Turks then threatened to invade the Byzantine Empire and take Constantinople, Byzantine Emperor Alexius I made a special appeal to Urban for help. This was not the first appeal of its kind, but it came at an important time for Urban. Wanting to reinforce the power of the papacy, Urban seized the opportunity to unite Christian Europe under him as he fought to take back the Holy Land from the Turks

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QUOTE(HangPC2 @ Jul 9 2015, 02:13 PM)
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post Jul 9 2015, 02:22 PM

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do u know why the western empire broke up the ottoman empire into so many states and not the china empire laugh.gif
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if u strap bom and join buddies in ISIL, u can recreate the next caliphate and you all can stand strong and become world superpower rclxm9.gif end all this historical debate once and for all

QUOTE(aliesterfiend @ Jul 9 2015, 02:10 PM)
The crusades first stated because the western kings were fighting among themselves. Then the Eastern Roman emperor request from the western pope to help them defend Anatolia from the invading Seljuks. Gregory VII earlier calls were mostly unheeded because it was purely economic and just to help the Byzantines by the western kings and not until Urban II manage to convince them to go further than Anatolia manage to convince them that they'll get immunity, redemption whatsoever if they take up the cross.

That idea of retaking back the Christian land (which was already lost for 500 years) was just something that were made up at that time because Urban II actually intended to reunited back the Western and Eastern Churches.
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post Jul 9 2015, 02:28 PM

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hang, lu pergi tolong negeri melaka admin website update sebab2 melaka ditakluk
engrand mereka powderful, sama seperti lu, semua tourist baca dan mahu datang melaka tengok nod.gif
http://www.melaka.gov.my/en/tentang-kami/sejarah
1500 - Tun cross section Tun Perak cousin, was appointed as Treasurer Treasurer called Seri Maharaja and became treasurer of the most powerful among the princes of the Malacca Sultanate.

1509 - Diego Lopez de Sequiera with 18 ships of the Royal Fleet Portugal arrived in Malacca. They were the first Europeans to arrive in Southeast Asia. For that reason disputes, forces attacked by Malacca and 20 crew arrested by local people.

1510 - Treasurer Tun and his family were killed on the cross section of said Sultan Mahmud Shah because he refused to hand over to his son Tun Fatimah. Realizing his mistake, Sultan Mahmud Shah to abdicate for a while and was replaced by his son, Sultan Ahmad Shah.

1511- Alfonso de Albuquerque, the Portuguese viceroy in Goa, arrived in Malacca on Aug. 10 and made ​​a request to build a headquarters of the Portuguese but was rejected by the sultan. After 10 days besieged, the Portuguese captured Malacca Town on August 24. Since then, the Portuguese ruled Malacca for 130 years.

1512 - Albuquerque returned to Goa in January after completing the A Famosa, a fortress city has five storey tower height. Then Sultan Mahmud Shah to attack the Portuguese

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post Jul 9 2015, 02:37 PM

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cepat2, cari di basement & tunjuk gambar koleksi anda, tentera salib portugis dan rejimen melayu melaka tembak menembak guna madlock seperti di bawah dan meriam buluh , c4 dll rclxm9.gif

QUOTE(HangPC2 @ Jul 9 2015, 02:29 PM)
Malacca Musket / Istinggar Melaka / Mosquete Luso-Cingalo-Malaio
Malacca Musket / Istinggar Melaka / Mosquete Luso-Cingalo-Malaio
This matchlock being displayed at the CCCM Museum Lisbon is labelled as either Malaccan or Ceylonese. But it looks too cool to be Ceylonese. Besides, the hammer on ceylonese matchlocks are shaped like heads of animals or heathen gods while Malay gun hammers look more Islamic like on this musket. Since this gun is Malaccan, it definitely was made no later than 1511.
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Sources : Museu do CCCM, Lisboa, inv. 1000

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post Jul 9 2015, 02:43 PM

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fuyoh, madlock, cannon etc sapork by ottoman and ming tapi apasal kalah?

QUOTE(HangPC2 @ Jul 9 2015, 02:39 PM)
Malaccan Mercenaries
Malay, Turk, Persian, Javanese...
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post Jul 9 2015, 02:53 PM

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d'alburque bombarded the town and terrified the inhabitants, being the first time it had ever been shelled by heavy artillery shocking.gif itu rejimen melayu melaka tak buat life fire training ke? apasal mahu jimat bom?

http://www.sabrizain.org/malaya/port1.htm

sultan had 20,000 mercenaries, 20 war elephant, 3000 artillery pieces of small calibre guns with little range and firepower. kenapa takde ask for refund dari ottoman sama ming? itu sultan sudah kena tipu oleh salesgirl lah doh.gif

sultan forces charged at them with bow and arrow, blowpipe, lances, spear and shield. apa ni?! nampaknya itu cannon sama matchlock is for ceremonial purpose hmm.gif

QUOTE(HangPC2 @ Jul 9 2015, 02:35 PM)
Ottoman & Ming
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post Jul 9 2015, 03:14 PM

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other than the traitor element, seems most fellas there has no stomach for war. life mus be really good then laugh.gif
http://www.sabrizain.org/malaya/port1.htm
attack on the bridge began, as soon as the first fury of the malay artillery was spent. the trumpets blew and the portuguese fell upon the malay stockade on the bridge. seriously they got no tactical planning and the fancy weapons r for show off, hmmm..... does tis script sound familiar brows.gif


QUOTE(tdzheng @ Jul 9 2015, 03:08 PM)
LEL ok, for some reason maybe they don't really know how to use those cannons?
At this point of time, cannons were top tech.
And usually the further a canon can shoot, is a big determining factor to the outcome of the war.
And maybe most of the sultans army were bombarded to kingdom come. hmm.gif
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post Jul 9 2015, 04:11 PM

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CRUSADE
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/crusade
military expeditions undertaken by the Christians of Europe in the 11th, 12th, and 13th centuries for the recovery of the Holy Land from the Muslims


QUOTE(aliesterfiend @ Jul 9 2015, 03:58 PM)
Depends on how one defines a crusade. smile.gif

Some people only think Crusades in term of Christian vs Islam conflict but crusades has been called against others too. The Portugal and Spanish 'crusades' were continuation of of their earlier reconquista, which is the crusades to take (some people like to call it re-take but I digest) the lands from the muslim kingdom in the Iberian peninsular. The reason I use take rather than re-take because when the Rabs conquered Spain, they were under the Visigoth who happened to be the Arian (I think modern Christians called them a heretical sect ?) primarily though some, like the Toledo converted to Roman Catholicism.

So once that part of the mission is complete, the crusades then expand outwards.

Maybe the Pope did not call it a crusade, because the spirit of the crusades has died after the fall of the last Frankish kingdom in the Levant so by calling it a crusade (like have been done by few popes before) might just fall on deaf ears.
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post Jul 9 2015, 04:30 PM

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First crusade yr 1096–1099
Aragonese yr 1284 and 1285
Albigensian yr 1209–1229
Fourth_Crusade yr 1202–1204
Northern yr 1193
Livonian yr 1207
Prussian yr 1230
Wendish yr 1147
Reconquista period of approximately 781 years in the history of the Iberian Peninsula, after the Islamic conquest in 711 to the fall of Granada

Traditionally, historians mark the beginning of the Reconquista with the Battle of Covadonga (718 or 722), in which a small army, led by the nobleman Pelagius, defeated an Umayyad army in the mountains of northern Iberia hmm.gif now who started the fight first?

QUOTE(aliesterfiend @ Jul 9 2015, 04:19 PM)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aragonese_Crusade
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albigensian_Crusade
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourth_Crusade (yeah, technically it was planned to invade Egypt though)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_Crusades
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Livonian_Crusade
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prussian_Crusade
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wendish_Crusade

Okay. I know I gave you wiki links but you can double check with the original resources from the link given.

In any case, as the topic the reconquista was a cruda too.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reconquista

So, there's nothing wrong to consider post reconquista by the Spanish and the Portugese as the crusades too.
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post Jul 9 2015, 04:39 PM

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no CRUSADE word sighted at milvian hmm.gif

QUOTE(aliesterfiend @ Jul 9 2015, 04:36 PM)
Started what ?  smile.gif

Anyway who started what is up to historians to debate.

However if the crusade can be seen literally as 'taken up the cross' then maybe we can say the battle of the milvian bridge as the first crusade (even though it was chi ro rather than a cross as we know).

Can  wink.gif

p/s: you probably already know but I just post the link for the sake of those who never heard of ti and are interested to know.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_the_Milvian_Bridge
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post Jul 9 2015, 05:38 PM

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CRUSADE doh.gif not cross, u check the both postings, i cannot find it shakehead.gif
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QUOTE(aliesterfiend @ Jul 9 2015, 04:40 PM)
Chi Rho not a cross ?  hmm.gif

The Chi Rho (/ˈkaɪ ˈro�/) is one of the earliest forms of christogram, and is used by some Christians. It is formed by superimposing the first two (capital) letters chi and rho (ΧΡ) of the Greek word "ΧΡΙΣΤΟΣ" = Christ in such a way to produce the monogram. Although not technically a Christian cross, the Chi-Rho invokes the crucifixion of Jesus, as well as symbolising his status as the Christ.
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post Jul 9 2015, 05:43 PM

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I jus wanna know when was the word 'CRUSADE' first used? no need go round the world expedition doh.gif

crusade
noun. 1. Perang Salib
http://kamus.flairwork.com/index.php?word=...ary+=dictionary
English - Malay Dictionary

Selamat Berbuka and u must be tired. later after makan, then u got more kuasa to wiki search cool2.gif

QUOTE(aliesterfiend @ Jul 9 2015, 05:00 PM)
Final words before balik. Anyone wants to learn more about the crusades and the Arab invasion before that and the conflicts today should also look at the wider picture as all these are just a series of conflict between the east and the west which started way back in antiquity. The earliest existing sources mentions of the Persian invasion of Greece which then continued with Alexander's conquest of Persia and the east before the Romans took over. Then the Arabs came and retook back the eastern lands and bring the way back to Europe before the era of the crusades which then came the reconquista and the age of colonialism until world war 2 when Japan started their Asia for Asians campaign with the idea to take back Asia from the western colonialist.

The conflicts still does not end until today.

Good day.

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post Jul 9 2015, 05:45 PM

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they all exhibit the same behaviour when I jus want 1answer/1jawapan, the future of msia is so bright and sunni laugh.gif

QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Jul 9 2015, 04:45 PM)
Yo learn2earn8

Just ignore that aliens... guy la, he's trying too hard.

The guy got crusadephobia, simply tembak one defining crusade as he sees fit.

World History already been established. He can propagate as much as he wants, we just enjoy the show only.
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post Jul 9 2015, 08:57 PM

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see they were faithful people taking the pilgrimage to jerusalem, minding their own business nod.gif
what happen? why did they become war mongering? wat interrupted their peaceful 'crusade' journey to Jerusalem?
why the cloth cross crux vow no longer a success hmm.gif imagine u want to go Mecca and suddenly Genghis Khan was at the gates, will u rage?
thus no Christian able to go for crusade to Jerusalem at that era. Pope Urban launch the first crusade and sent the crusaders , yeehaa!

it is important to note that the word derives from the Latin word crux ("cross"); and, as originally employed, a crusade was fundamentally driven by a Christian religious motivation
http://foreverknight.wikia.com/wiki/Crusades

QUOTE(aliesterfiend @ Jul 9 2015, 08:38 PM)
"Crusade" is a modern term, from the French croisade and Spanish cruzada. The French form of the word first appears in the L'Histoire des Croisades written by A. de Clermont and published in 1638. By 1750, the various forms of the word "crusade" had established themselves in English, French, and German. -  Lock Routledge Companion p. 258

The Oxford English Dictionary records its first use in English as occurring in 1757 by William Shenstone. - Hindley Crusades pp. 2–3
The Crusades were never referred to as such by their participants. The original crusaders were known by various terms, including fideles Sancti Petri (the faithful of Saint Peter) or milites Christi (knights of Christ).Like pilgrims, each crusader swore a vow (a votus) to be fulfilled on successfully reaching Jerusalem, and they were granted a cloth cross (crux) to be sewn into their clothes. This "taking of the cross", the crux, eventually became associated with the entire journey.- American Heritage Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition, Houghton Mifflin Company, 2009
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post Jul 9 2015, 09:37 PM

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thats why a lot of the doctors and lawyers in malaya got engrish name and my gwai lo frens surprised when meeting those professionals up personally

QUOTE(hbmalaya @ Jul 9 2015, 09:31 PM)
Crusaders travel to Jerusalem direction. Which stupid one travel half a globe to crusade? Furthermore the Portuguese who set land in malacca were majority Indian taken on board to fight.
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post Jul 9 2015, 11:47 PM

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no doubt abt tat only cucu, I can see the central asian stan r technologically advanced, highly developed and contribute a lot to world economic growth
dun u think the outcome of the ottoman empire was tragic? which islamic nation u think can carry the caliphate torch?
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QUOTE(aliesterfiend @ Jul 9 2015, 11:36 PM)
I would know what happened to tose pilgrims but I do know what happened when muslims first time went to Mecca to perform the pilgrimage. They met with the pagan Meccan emmisaries and agree to the Treat of Hudaibiyah and came back the next year for pilgrimage.

Of course Mecca to Medinah wasn't as far as from Jerusalem to Europe but then .....

In any case we wouldn't know what happened if I met Genghiz Khan in Mecca because by the time his descendant reach Mecca, the Mongols already converted to Islam.
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