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lee82gx
post Feb 28 2017, 02:12 PM

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QUOTE(aeiou228 @ Feb 28 2017, 01:01 PM)
Top up RM150 to get 3M easy complete. NSF standard 42 & 53 certified. Wait till weekend and pay by Citibank card can get further 15% discount.
http://www.lazada.com.my/3m-ap-easy-comple...r-15962948.html

If you want to go for budget version of 3M filters, you can go for 3M CTM-01, in accordance to NSF 42 & 53 standard but uncertified. RM300+ @ Tesco Malaysia.
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Hi aeiou228, thanks for the suggestions. from my couch surfing, it would seem both are 0.5micron filtration, hence if we are to trust the NSF-level internal testing compliance of 3M (which I do, due to professional reasons), they are more or less equivalent right?

On top of that I will still boil the water regardless for my children, plus I already currently use doulton ceramic candles as pre-filter.

I'm prone to get the CTM-01 due to lower initial cost and running cost for cartridge...


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post Feb 28 2017, 04:25 PM

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QUOTE(lee82gx @ Feb 28 2017, 02:12 PM)
Hi aeiou228, thanks for the suggestions. from my couch surfing, it would seem both are 0.5micron filtration, hence if we are to trust the NSF-level internal testing compliance of 3M (which I do, due to professional reasons), they are more or less equivalent right?

On top of that I will still boil the water regardless for my children, plus I already currently use doulton ceramic candles as pre-filter.

I'm prone to get the CTM-01 due to lower initial cost and running cost for cartridge...
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Of course 3M brand can be trusted. BTW, the price of the easy complete in the above link was surprisingly cheap.
The price for CTM-01 was RM315 @ Tesco in 2015 and the last I saw was RM365.
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post Feb 28 2017, 06:47 PM

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QUOTE(aeiou228 @ Feb 28 2017, 01:01 PM)
Top up RM150 to get 3M easy complete. NSF standard 42 & 53 certified. Wait till weekend and pay by Citibank card can get further 15% discount.
http://www.lazada.com.my/3m-ap-easy-comple...r-15962948.html

If you want to go for budget version of 3M filters, you can go for 3M CTM-01, in accordance to NSF 42 & 53 standard but uncertified. RM300+ @ Tesco Malaysia.
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The website information seems incorrect, they claim to tsted accordance to NSF 53 for cyst reduction. Cyst reduction standard is P477 not 53, 53 is health effects.
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Worth reading why some so cheap, and why so premium pricing where they have the same standard certification especially coming out from the same company.
https://www.water2drink.com/resource-center...g-standards.asp
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QUOTE(exsakai @ Mar 3 2017, 01:02 PM)
Honestly, how do we expect a regular end user to be so knowledable in choosing a good filter. Hence, i bought mine because it is cheap and with nsf logo.

After facing the clogging issue, i start to do more reseach myself. Dws2500 the most expensive filter has nsf 42 and 53 with particulate class 1, ap easy has the same as well. Both rated capacity 750gallon. After the clogging issue, the salesperson recommended me to get dws2500 for higher capacity but as per catalog they are the same. After further explanation, dws2500 has a pleated filter and hence able to trap more dirt and prevent clogging. Such info was not provided by nsf and not told to me when i purchase my ap easy complete, salesman just push me to get ap easy because of my budget.

So i ended up wasting my filter and changed to aquaphor now which is able to last me 1 year+ without clogging.
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If Aquaphor is so good, why they are not NSF certified?
This is just like a car manufacturer claiming their cars offering best safety, yet refuse to send for Euro NCAP test. Proton claims their cars are tougher than you imagine, but do they outperform Volvo? I afraid no...far from it actually.

The water coming out from your Aquaphor is bright and clear, even after 1 year plus. However, you don't know what you are drinking unless you send for thorough test. The contaminants are not visible with just your naked eyes perception.
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post Mar 3 2017, 05:46 PM

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NSF standard 42 & 53 is about aesthetic effects and health affects, not about non clogging. No POU filter can be certified as non clogging filter.
If your filter clogged before it's recommended capacity, it can be due to many reasons such as water quality in your area is dirty, POE filter is not effective, low water pressure, usage is high and etc.
My last 3M easy complete cartridge over used till 14 months before replacement, no clog whatsoever until forgot to replace it once a year. Normal 4 pax family usage.

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Check with the authority database then you will know which is certified. Compliance to standard not equal to certified, it's different. For NSF certification, whole system certification and components/parts certification is also different as well. Clogging and how effectively remove contaminants is also different thing, it's like comparing the car chassis with the audio system, not relevant at all.....

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post Mar 4 2017, 09:08 PM

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For aquaphor crystal eco series? What's the maintenance cost ya annually?
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QUOTE(aeiou228 @ Feb 28 2017, 01:01 PM)
Top up RM150 to get 3M easy complete. NSF standard 42 & 53 certified. Wait till weekend and pay by Citibank card can get further 15% discount.
http://www.lazada.com.my/3m-ap-easy-comple...r-15962948.html

If you want to go for budget version of 3M filters, you can go for 3M CTM-01, in accordance to NSF 42 & 53 standard but uncertified. RM300+ @ Tesco Malaysia.
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if compared to Aquaphor? this better?
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post Mar 4 2017, 11:27 PM

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QUOTE(WahBiang @ Mar 4 2017, 10:16 PM)
if compared to Aquaphor? this better?
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I never use Aquaphor before, hence I can't comment.
I'm using 3M Easy Complete, prefer filter with NSF standard 42 & 53 certification. It has a very small form factor and lite, easy to DIY install and hide it under sink. I drink directly from the tap.
Replacement cartridge cost is RM170 per year coz I stocked up a few cartridges before the price increase.

I also bought 2 units 3M CTM-01 for office use (RM315 Tesco). 3M claimed manufactured in accordance to NSF 42 & 53 standard but without certification. That's why cheaper. If I want NSF standard certified drinking water, I can always replace it with c-complete cardtriges during next cartridge replacement because both Easy Complete and CTM-01 are sharing the same filter head.

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Things come with a price for quality. You get what you pay for, so look for the one that you think is worth for after research.
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post Mar 7 2017, 10:32 PM

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Went to home decor fair last week and have a chance to take look on the Cuckoo water filter. They claim their alkaline water filter can filter 10 heavy metals which other filter cannot. Is it true?

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QUOTE(ken_zen @ Mar 7 2017, 10:32 PM)
Went to home decor fair last week and have a chance to take look on the Cuckoo water filter. They claim their alkaline water filter can filter 10 heavy metals which other filter cannot. Is it true?

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Look at the size of their filter you should able to know biggrin.gif
Maybe you can ask for sample lab test results, i am sure they can't show you any.
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QUOTE(oyching88 @ Mar 7 2017, 11:58 PM)
Look at the size of their filter you should able to know biggrin.gif
Maybe you can ask for sample lab test results, i am sure they can't show you any.
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Got 4 filters inside but can't remember the size...
They show me they have Korea lab test (can't remember the name) and also Malaysia mytest lab reports
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post Mar 8 2017, 09:56 AM

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all drinking filters can only reduce heavy metal like 90-99% and not eliminate.
Basic carbon block can easily reduce
1) Chlorine
2) Bad taste and odor
3) Chloramines
4) Fine sediment
5) Giardia and Cryptosporidium cysts
6) Organic chemicals such as pesticides and solvents
7) Heavy metals such as lead and mercury
source : http://www.wqpmag.com/carbon-block-manufacturing

better quality & quantity carbon blocks or higher quality filtration will have higher % of reduction, never seen anything can 100% remove
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QUOTE(ken_zen @ Mar 8 2017, 09:11 AM)
Got 4 filters inside but can't remember the size...
They show me they have Korea lab test (can't remember the name) and also Malaysia mytest lab reports
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Good if they can provide the report.
The size is about your hand palm.
Most of the water filter can reduce heavy metals.
Tap water is already mild alkaline as there are minerals present.
Another thing is the carbon material and built up, is it block or loose carbon powder? Ask them to show you. I am not sure for Cuckoo. Carbon block is more effective compared to loose powder.

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My water filter diverter cannot fit onto water tap. Anyone has any solution or anyone selling the adapter for this size?

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QUOTE(xenquan @ Mar 8 2017, 12:33 PM)
My water filter diverter cannot fit onto water tap.  Anyone has any solution or anyone selling the adapter for this size?

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Your diverted is female and your tap also female, not ngam. Don't think you can find a male diverter, best is to find a converter to convert female tap to male.
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QUOTE(aeiou228 @ Mar 8 2017, 01:12 PM)
Your diverted is female and your tap also female, not ngam. Don't think you can find a male diverter, best is to find a converter to convert female tap to male.
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Where to get the right converter? i asked few hardware shop they all said no size.
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post Mar 8 2017, 01:29 PM

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QUOTE(xenquan @ Mar 8 2017, 01:16 PM)
Where to get the right converter? i asked few hardware shop they all said no size.
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If can't find the converter, you still have other options. Change the tap or install a dedicated faucet for the filtered water and hide the filter under the sink.

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