I am researching water filter for my new condo. Currently narrow down to 3M DWS 2500T-CN and Amway eSpring. Any suggestion where it get it cheap, or any better recommendation out there?

This post has been edited by jo707: Nov 10 2016, 01:54 PM

I saw 3M offers this one which might be an interest to you:

http://solutions.3m.com.my/wps/portal/3M/e...ilter-Products/

Any 3M reseller here? Got quote for eSpring but no offer for 3M DWS 2500T-CN. Is Aquaphor up to the standard as well?

Should look for those dispensers with instant hot water function, not those with hot water tank I think. Cheaper and safer.

I would recommend you get a instant hot water dispenser without boiler instead of this, especially if you don't really need the cold water.

I used to have something like that at home as well. But it has been left in my storeroom ever since the arrival of instant hot water dispenser.

Instant hot water dispenser is much smaller (space saving), safer (without boiler tank), cheaper and energy saving. Mine has 3.5L capacity, more than enough for a small family. I don't need to top up everyday.

Seriously...Even water rationing comes into consideration when buying a water dispenser. Perhaps it is not so rationale after all...

AFAIK, Aquaphor Crystal Eco is not NSF certified.
Possible to provide independent report to support 8000L/1-year lifespan claim?

If Aquaphor is so good, why they are not NSF certified?
This is just like a car manufacturer claiming their cars offering best safety, yet refuse to send for Euro NCAP test. Proton claims their cars are tougher than you imagine, but do they outperform Volvo? I afraid no...far from it actually.

The water coming out from your Aquaphor is bright and clear, even after 1 year plus. However, you don't know what you are drinking unless you send for thorough test. The contaminants are not visible with just your naked eyes perception.

Wah...sounds bad indeed.
Mine is a no brand instant hot water dispenser (or maybe is a famous brand in China which i don't know), bought from TaoBao. Used for 1 year plus, still going strong.
Maybe it depends on luck. 3M manufactures instant hot water dispenser as well right?

Yes. I am using this model.

~RM1.6K. I bought from a seller here.
Yet to replace the cartridge so far.

Maybe you like to enlighten us how Aquaphor able to determine an effective lifespan of 8000L without NSF certification?

NSF certified products have their lifespan tested and determined by NSF. Aquaphor spec means nothing more than just a self claimed figure, which any Tom, Dick or Harry able write whatever they want on the website.

To be honest, if you have compared all NSF product data spec online, such self claimed figure of 8000L is out of the world. In fact, it sounds too good to be true. It beats all the other inventions by major manufacturers in the world. Perhaps 3M and Amway should fire their scientists straightaway, and find this Aquaphor employee immediately from Russia/Eastern Europe.

So if i say my Proton Persona is faster and more powerful than Lamborghini Aventador. Do you think such statement is valid, and with 'most transparency'?

Nope. Video proves nothing other than self proclamation.

When a guy says his English command is reasonably good, you expect him to show you an A+ in his STPM cert. You don't expect him to shoot an own directed video to prove you the case.

When a car manufacturer claims their products offer the best safety standard in the world, you expect high score in the Euro NCAP, not through a video on Youtube.

So does Aquaphor offer any recognized certification to back up its claims?

Remember Proton Savvy had a slogan when it first launched? 'Tougher than you imagine', with TUV 'endorsement'. Did anyone bother about it? TUV stamp looks good indeed, but too bad they are not qualified entity to certify the safety of the car.

Think about it...

This post has been edited by jo707: Sep 17 2017, 01:12 AM

Sorry to burst your bubble. I have nothing to sell here. You are accusing anyone doubting the integrity of your product as your competitor.
I have 3M at home, and Amway Espring as well. Both bought from the sellers in Lowyat. So are you saying i am selling Amway since i have it?
Sad to say none of your published test results able to show your product is safe to drink for 8000L/1 year. Just one word answer, Yes or No?

This post has been edited by jo707: Oct 28 2017, 09:46 PM

I urge you stop playing around with words. My question was simple and straightforward, and i have asked long before this.

Is Aquaphor Crystal ECO safe to drink for 8000L/1 year?

You chose to ignore the the critical part of 8000L/1year, and came back to me with the same old certificates. As far as i can read, none of these certificates are able to prove it has such a extreme long lifespan of 8000L.

The tests were carried out on brand new filters sent in by Aquaphor. Basically there is no lifespan determination in any part of the tests. So the filters might be good for just 1 week? 1 month? 500L? 2000L? God knows.

For others who like to know more about Aquaphor. Actually i have written an email to Aquaphor HQ enquiring on their products. Everything went silent when i posted the question on test standard employed to determine the 8000L/1 year lifespan.

Maybe zheilwane knows the product even better than the manufacturer themselves. I look forward to his enlightenment.

For readers here who are looking for 3M or Amway Espring. Sorry i can't offer you anything. At no point i try to solicit any sale here by referring to any sales person (feel free to read my previous post). There are plenty of sellers here (which in fact i think more than the actual buyers). Some are less than ethical with very misleading claims, so please open your eyes and do your research carefully.

Filters deteriorate with usage/time. There is a valid lifespan for all filtration products.
I don't know where their HQ located. Russia/Eastern Europe? I just emailed them directly, and their customer support manager stopped corresponding with me after i enquired on the validity of the 8000L/1 year lifespan.

I beg to differ. The 1 year or 5000L capacity is based on NSF certification. Consumers know it is safe to drink, as long as it is within the lifespan. So the info provided by chip is more than sufficient.

No manufacturer can provide their end product with built-in water quality measurement. You can't shift the whole NSF lab to your home right?

When you pay thousands to buy a water filter, you don't expect the necessity to buy any additional kit. Same idea as you pay RM4K for an Iphone 8 Plus. Do you expect yourself to pay another fee for an add on kit to measure the battery level of it?

aeiou228 suggested a budget POE water filter below RM600, known as Secure Backwash. I bought one as well, and it works well for me. Maybe you can take a look at it.