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post Mar 18 2025, 02:17 PM

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QUOTE(armmar @ Mar 18 2025, 01:48 PM)
Hi all... wish to buy 5 star rating aircond... what is the best option..

daikin/acson.. price quite high compared to hisense/midea.. it is just brand or quality.. for me... for good monthly electricity bill payment..
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Midea already good enough 😴🔥
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post Mar 20 2025, 08:03 PM

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Hi, anyone has experience of using a Fresh Air Aircon that can suck air from outside the room and also exhaust dirty air in the room toward outside?
In China Market, this type of aircon known as 新风冷气机.
Already not new over there but quite new in our Malaysia market.

Sample aircon are (TCL Fresh In series) and Hisense R32 Inverter Aircon with Fresh Air

I am interested to install in my room but heard that the installation process is more complicated than the normal aircon because got an extra pipe for air intake and exhaust.
Saw a buyer review in Shopee saying that even their installer don't know how to install it.

Also curious on how good is this type of aircon, especially on below aspect
- ability to remove odor in the room
- maintain the humidity level of the room (because suck moisture fresh air outside the room)
- power consumption of the aircon (since this aircon suck and exhaust air, will it consume more power to maintain cool air)?

Hope someone can share their experience with me.
Thanks
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post Mar 20 2025, 09:48 PM

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QUOTE(katrina8080 @ Mar 20 2025, 08:03 PM)
Hi, anyone has experience of using a Fresh Air Aircon that can suck air from outside the room and also exhaust dirty air in the room toward outside?
In China Market, this type of aircon known as 新风冷气机.
Already not new over there but quite new in our Malaysia market.

Sample aircon are (TCL Fresh In series)  and  Hisense R32 Inverter Aircon with Fresh Air

I am interested to install in my room but heard that the installation  process is more complicated than the normal aircon because got an extra pipe for air intake and exhaust.
Saw a buyer review in Shopee saying that even their installer don't know how to install it.

Also curious on how good is this type of aircon, especially on below aspect
- ability to remove odor in the room
- maintain the humidity level of the room (because suck moisture fresh air outside the room)
- power consumption of the aircon (since this aircon suck and exhaust air, will it consume more power to maintain cool air)?

Hope someone can share their experience with me.
Thanks
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Interesting, but first time hearing it. But I guess the concept similar to our car AC, where we can select inner circular air our outer air for circulation.

Personally I dont like outer air, as I feel its more polluted! hahaha, its just me.

I will let others to comment to those have used it or know about it.
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post Mar 21 2025, 09:53 AM

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QUOTE(katrina8080 @ Mar 20 2025, 08:03 PM)
Hi, anyone has experience of using a Fresh Air Aircon that can suck air from outside the room and also exhaust dirty air in the room toward outside?
In China Market, this type of aircon known as 新风冷气机.
Already not new over there but quite new in our Malaysia market.

Sample aircon are (TCL Fresh In series)  and  Hisense R32 Inverter Aircon with Fresh Air

I am interested to install in my room but heard that the installation  process is more complicated than the normal aircon because got an extra pipe for air intake and exhaust.
Saw a buyer review in Shopee saying that even their installer don't know how to install it.

Also curious on how good is this type of aircon, especially on below aspect
- ability to remove odor in the room
- maintain the humidity level of the room (because suck moisture fresh air outside the room)
- power consumption of the aircon (since this aircon suck and exhaust air, will it consume more power to maintain cool air)?

Hope someone can share their experience with me.
Thanks
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I was considering the TCL Fresh Air series but the price is on the high side.

1) ability to remove odor in the room
- Logically I don't see how this would work. You want a closed system where the air in the room stays the same while being purified by charcoal filter either from your aircond or a purifier unit. Everytime you introduce fresh air in, the air will be sucked into the aircond unit and needs to be purified by the charcoal filter which does not guarantee odour free air. It is much better to let the air in the room stay constant without "fresh" air and let the charcoal filters do their work.

2) maintain the humidity level of the room (because suck moisture fresh air outside the room)
- Might be better to have humidifier device in your room or some airconds may have humidifying function?

3) power consumption of the aircon (since this aircon suck and exhaust air, will it consume more power to maintain cool air)?
- Definitely will consume more power. You want your room to stay at constant temperature so that the inverter unit will slow down the compressor just enough to maintain temperature. If you introduce fresh air, the hot air now needs to be cooled down which then makes the compressor works harder......you get the idea smile.gif

The plus point I see with such designs is that if you have health conditions such as asthma or difficulty breathing in a small space for long hours (you hardly open close doors) or if your house ventillation is really terrible that you would need "fresh" air in the room.
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post Mar 21 2025, 12:48 PM

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QUOTE(VeeJay @ Mar 20 2025, 09:48 PM)
Interesting, but first time hearing it. But I guess the concept similar to our car AC, where we can select inner circular air our outer air for circulation.

Personally I dont like outer air, as I feel its more polluted! hahaha, its just me.

I will let others to comment to those have used it or know about it.
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The outer air will be purified with hepa filter before enter your room. 😉
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post Mar 21 2025, 01:47 PM

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QUOTE(-kytz- @ Mar 21 2025, 09:53 AM)
I was considering the TCL Fresh Air series but the price is on the high side.

1) ability to remove odor in the room
- Logically I don't see how this would work. You want a closed system where the air in the room stays the same while being purified by charcoal filter either from your aircond or a purifier unit. Everytime you introduce fresh air in, the air will be sucked into the aircond unit and needs to be purified by the charcoal filter which does not guarantee odour free air. It is much better to let the air in the room stay constant without "fresh" air and let the charcoal filters do their work.

2) maintain the humidity level of the room (because suck moisture fresh air outside the room)
- Might be better to have humidifier device in your room or some airconds may have humidifying function?

3) power consumption of the aircon (since this aircon suck and exhaust air, will it consume more power to maintain cool air)?
- Definitely will consume more power. You want your room to stay at constant temperature so that the inverter unit will slow down the compressor just enough to maintain temperature. If you introduce fresh air, the hot air now needs to be cooled down which then makes the compressor works harder......you get the idea smile.gif

The plus point I see with such designs is that if you have health conditions such as asthma or difficulty breathing in a small space for long hours (you hardly open close doors) or if your house ventillation is really terrible that you would need "fresh" air in the room.
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Hey,
thanks for writing long reply to share ur opinion with me 😀
My room is a close up area and with proper door sealing.

1) ability to remove odor in the room
Regarding to this, I do have air purifier with charcoal filter in my room but don't think it really effective in ordor removal. Plus charcoal will get saturated after a while.
Actually remove ordor just one of the plus point for me to get rid of the air purifier. (Not throwing it away. Just moving it to another room 😛)
The main point is the concept of fresh air can bring in filtered air rich in oxygen into the room and reduce co2 level in the room. Borrowed an air monitor meter from a friend and test in a closed room. The Co2 level indeed quite high after hours. High concentration of co2 in a closed area can lead to health issue 🙂

2) maintain the humidity level of the room (because suck moisture fresh air outside the room)

I do have humidifier as well. Just thinking if having this type of aircon, maybe I can get rid of the humidifier.

3) power consumption of the aircon (since this aircon suck and exhaust air, will it consume more power to maintain cool air)?

In normal circumstances, yes this type of aircon will surely consume more power.
Based TCL fresh air aircon website, it should have some Heat Exchange concept on the aircon.
This heat exchange technology is quite common on Fresh Air system. It transfers heat from outgoing air to incoming fresh air, pre-cooling or pre-heating it, which can save energy and improve indoor air quality.
Anyhow, this heat exchange is just a ads on TCL website, not really sure how effective is it in saving energy.
That's why I hope someone with this aircon can share with me 😉
Hope to know more on the installation part too.

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post Mar 22 2025, 08:13 AM

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QUOTE(GamersFamilia @ Mar 18 2025, 02:17 PM)
Midea already good enough 😴🔥
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thanks... my brother said spare part also no problems.. looks value for money..
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post Mar 22 2025, 08:33 AM

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QUOTE(armmar @ Mar 22 2025, 08:13 AM)
thanks... my brother said spare part also no problems.. looks value for money..
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post Mar 22 2025, 01:18 PM

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QUOTE(katrina8080 @ Mar 21 2025, 01:47 PM)
Hey,
thanks for writing long reply to share ur opinion with me 😀
My room is a close up area and with proper door sealing.

1) ability to remove odor in the room
Regarding to this, I do have air purifier with charcoal filter in my room but don't think it really effective in ordor removal. Plus charcoal will get saturated after a while.
Actually remove ordor just one of the plus point for me to get rid of the air purifier. (Not throwing it away. Just moving it to another room 😛)
The main point is the concept of fresh air can bring in filtered air rich in oxygen into the room and reduce co2 level in the room. Borrowed an air monitor meter from a friend and test in a closed room. The Co2 level indeed quite high after hours. High concentration of co2 in a closed area can lead to health issue 🙂

2) maintain the humidity level of the room (because suck moisture fresh air outside the room)

I do have humidifier as well. Just thinking if having this type of aircon, maybe I can get rid of the humidifier.

3) power consumption of the aircon (since this aircon suck and exhaust air, will it consume more power to maintain cool air)?

In normal circumstances, yes this type of aircon will surely consume more power.
Based TCL fresh air aircon website, it should have some Heat Exchange concept on the aircon.
This heat exchange technology is quite common on Fresh Air system. It transfers heat from outgoing air to incoming fresh air, pre-cooling or pre-heating it, which can save energy and improve indoor air quality.
Anyhow, this heat exchange is just a ads on TCL website, not really sure how effective is it in saving energy.
That's why I hope someone with this aircon can share with me 😉
Hope to know more on the installation part too.

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So, your room is really sealed tightly and you spend long hours in the room without opening the doors/windows. I do really think the new "fresh air" feature would really suit you

As for the charcoal filter in the aircond (if any) you would still need to replace it. Honestly, I doubt it will be as big and effective as a dedicated one in a purifier. Which purifier are you using btw?

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post Mar 22 2025, 11:51 PM

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QUOTE(-kytz- @ Mar 22 2025, 01:18 PM)
So, your room is really sealed tightly and you spend long hours in the room without opening the doors/windows. I do really think the new "fresh air" feature would really suit you

As for the charcoal filter in the aircond (if any) you would still need to replace it. Honestly, I doubt it will be as big and effective as a dedicated one in a purifier. Which purifier are you using btw?
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Yup. Seal tightly. Won’t go out when I sleep haha….
I spend long hours in the room to work too.
Not sure is there any charcoal filter in the Fresh air Aircon hepa filter.
But theoretically the TCL aircon can “breath” by sucking in fresh air from outside and exhaust dirty air from the room.
So “by right”, this air exchange should can maintain the room humidity, bring in fresh air from outside, expel dirty air from the room and reduce the stuffy air in the room.

I not yet installed the TCL Fresh In.
Hope to hear feedback on existing owner.
Is that really as good as what they advertise and how is the installation part?
Need to dig another hole on the wall or need to enlarge existing aircon hole?

I’m using Xiaomi Air purifier smile.gif
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Wow TCL looks good. Maybe you can enquire with them to see if they have any ac installers that can install their ac?

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I notice that Midea and Gree ceiling ac also have fresh air intake!

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Just sharing for knowledge. I bought new airconds for price include standard installation. As the existing aircond pipe is not R32 so ask to conceal new pipe and wiring for extra charges. After done installing 2 pipes woth wiring, i found out the installer not using SIRIM approved cable with the inner copper wire seems to be very thin compared to the MEGA cable my wireman is using.

Aircond installer said if need to use Mega cable then need to top up. Got me upset as the cable options was not put forward. I dun expect they must use Mega but at least must be SiRIM approved. Installer said the specs is provided by the aircond shop so he will convey the message.

Lesson learnt, i should not have assumed they will use SiRIM approved cable by default.
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QUOTE(swing123 @ Apr 14 2025, 02:50 PM)
Just sharing for knowledge. I bought new airconds for price include standard installation. As the existing aircond pipe is not R32 so ask to conceal new pipe and wiring for extra charges. After done installing 2 pipes woth wiring, i found out the installer not using SIRIM approved cable with the inner copper wire seems to be very thin compared to the MEGA cable my wireman is using.

Aircond installer said if need to use Mega cable then need to top up. Got me upset as the cable options was not put forward. I dun expect they must use Mega but at least must be SiRIM approved. Installer said the specs is provided by the aircond shop so he will convey the message.

Lesson learnt, i should not have assumed they will use SiRIM approved cable by default.
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I'm also on the same line of thought. Cable must be Sirim approved. Take as lesson and inform installer beforehand for next installation.
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Anyone using the Panasonic X-Premium Inverter XU Series (ZKH-1) models? Felt any difference with the nanoe X mk3 technology feature turned on?

I have 2 cats in my house, their pooping station will be in the living room, wondering will it be effective on reducing the smell. sweat.gif

Link to the item:
https://www.panasonic.com/my/air-solutions/...ries-zkh-1.html
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Hello, any recommendation for aircond model?

Ive been using Panasonic or Daikin mostly... Inverter or non better at the moment? Looking for reliable 1hp and 2hp
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QUOTE(tarvalslain87 @ Apr 25 2025, 12:46 AM)
Hello, any recommendation for aircond model?

Ive been using Panasonic or Daikin mostly... Inverter or non better at the moment? Looking for reliable 1hp and 2hp
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Any problem with Panasonic or Daikin?

4 month ago, I change out the Mitsubishi 1.5hp inverter for Panasonic 2.0hp inverter. The bill is drop to ~RM75 from ~RM120.

Another non inverter Daikin 2.0hp is given fan motor noise for the outdoor unit. It hardly use for 4yrs.
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QUOTE(ozak @ Apr 25 2025, 08:20 AM)
Any problem with Panasonic or Daikin?

4 month ago, I change out the Mitsubishi 1.5hp inverter for Panasonic 2.0hp inverter. The bill is drop to ~RM75 from ~RM120.

Another non inverter Daikin 2.0hp is given fan motor noise for the outdoor unit. It hardly use for 4yrs.
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Your bill probably drop because of the higher HP. Higher HP = faster cooling = inverter kicks in faster
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Your bill probably drop because of the higher HP. Higher HP = faster cooling = inverter kicks in faster
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Ya. I understand this.

But it also not really true.

Previous before Mitsubishi inverter is a Panasonic 1.5hp inverter. The bill did drop to ~80 for Panasonic 1.5hp. When the bill increase to over 100 after 10yrs usage, I know it s time to change.

The reason I change to Mitsubishi is for easy clean. But the cooling and efficiency is disappointing. I only use it for 3yrs.
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Got the quote for below 1hp inverter. Which one would be the best choice ?

Price not included installation

HISENSE 1.0HP AI10TUGS RM11xx

MITSUBISHI 1.0SY/MUY-JS10VF RM13xx

DAIKIN 1.0HP FTKP28A/RKP28A RM17xx

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