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post Jun 18 2024, 01:10 PM

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QUOTE(eggplants @ Jun 10 2024, 06:28 PM)
Hi, am looking for recommendations for AC brand and model. Usage is for residential meant for homestay/airbnb, my requirements:

- Low problems, easy maintenance & cleaning by AC service men
- Easily available parts in event of needing repair
- Inverter model
- Preferably with app to monitor monthly usage
- A Range of 1hp - 2.5hp models for different spaces in the house

What brands of AC or model is considered reliable and trusted by AC industry these days?
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Why you want inverter for home stay/airbnb? No difference because ppl will on 16C and leave it on 24/7... inverter running at full load is the same as non-inverter. Don't waste your money.

Easy available parts, consistently is Acson/Daikin. Reliable and trusted... Acson/Daikin. OYL has manufacturing in Malaysia, plenty of parts, and they are the 1st or 2nd largest HVAC manufacturer in the entire world. But they are not the cheapest. I used to swear by Panasonic, but my last 2 inverters.. 1hp bought in 2016 I think.and another 2hp bought 4 years ago.. is... rubbish. it is very power saving because even when you turn on iAutoX and demand rapid cooling..the aircon refuses.... they limit the performance to achieve power savings lah. I dislike Panasonic air con these days but admit it is power saving..because it is not cooling lol.

If I were you, I'll buy the cheapest Hisense model, which can get for RM7xx installed for 1HP. Super bang for buck.
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QUOTE(Benefon @ Jun 14 2024, 01:17 PM)
Panasonic 2hp and above very colder
Except 1hp slightly weaker than other, about quality is depends on luck. Also apply to all electronics devices
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Mitsubishi Electric aircon is not bad too.
More expensive than Panasonic and some have easy cleaning feature.
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QUOTE(pokemon @ Jun 24 2024, 11:01 AM)
Mitsubishi Electric aircon is not bad too.
More expensive than Panasonic and some have easy cleaning feature.
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Can go for daikin or acson.
Much simple feature for more durable
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post Jun 25 2024, 11:50 AM

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QUOTE(pokemon @ Jun 24 2024, 11:01 AM)
Mitsubishi Electric aircon is not bad too.
More expensive than Panasonic and some have easy cleaning feature.
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I think these days maybe not, Panasonic prices are nuts. My concern around ME is that they don't sell as many units versus Panasonic, Acson/Daikin which worries me if they have sufficient spare parts, and worse, if they exit the market in Malaysia due to stiff competition from China.

I have one ME JR in guest room downstairs, seldom used. But a/c is better than Pansonic in terms of max cooling from the moment you turn it on. Versus Hisense right outside the room in the hall, the cooling is comparable. But Hisense compressor is noisier for sure which is not an issue if it is far away.

Chose ME because it is a back to back installation for the compressor, and since it is a room, decided to try ME as the spec sheet looks good. True enough the compressor is relatively quieter than Hisense.

Still Hisense basic entry model is the unbeatable king in terms of value if compressor noise not an issue. I am however curious about ME spare parts in MY. I was able to source spare parts for my York air con manufactured in 2009 from Acson, which goes to show the support is unbelievable.

For long term applications, or daily use like bedroom, may be worthwhile to get Acson / Daikin over Hisense, especially if getting inverter which I highly recommend for bedrooms. Halls where the cool air will travel out and the air con will be working on full tilt, I don't feel the need for inverter to regulate temperature.

I used to be a Panasonic air con supporter but their price keep increasing, and adding all the useless features and the initial cooling is terrible as the air con wants to save electricity.. I see no reason for it. But Panasonic compressor also relatively quiet lah..

Enclosed room, esp. bedroom, get inverter: Acson / Daikin
Open hall, air escape, no need inverter, get the cheapest entry level Hisense
For office, business... Acson / Daikin non-inverter.. due to crazy spare part support for long term

And more importantly learn how to use dry mode, on/off timer on the air con.
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post Jun 25 2024, 02:11 PM

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QUOTE(Jason @ Jun 25 2024, 11:50 AM)
I think these days maybe not, Panasonic prices are nuts. My concern around ME is that they don't sell as many units versus Panasonic, Acson/Daikin which worries me if they have sufficient spare parts, and worse, if they exit the market in Malaysia due to stiff competition from China.

I have one ME JR in guest room downstairs, seldom used. But a/c is better than Pansonic in terms of max cooling from the moment you turn it on. Versus Hisense right outside the room in the hall, the cooling is comparable. But Hisense compressor is noisier for sure which is not an issue if it is far away.

Chose ME because it is a back to back installation for the compressor, and since it is a room, decided to try ME as the spec sheet looks good. True enough the compressor is relatively quieter than Hisense.

Still Hisense basic entry model is the unbeatable king in terms of value if compressor noise not an issue. I am however curious about ME spare parts in MY. I was able to source spare parts for my York air con manufactured in 2009 from Acson, which goes to show the support is unbelievable.

For long term applications, or daily use like bedroom, may be worthwhile to get Acson / Daikin over Hisense, especially if getting inverter which I highly recommend for bedrooms. Halls where the cool air will travel out and the air con will be working on full tilt, I don't feel the need for inverter to regulate temperature.

I used to be a Panasonic air con supporter but their price keep increasing, and adding all the useless features and the initial cooling is terrible as the air con wants to save electricity.. I see no reason for it. But Panasonic compressor also relatively quiet lah..

Enclosed room, esp. bedroom, get inverter: Acson / Daikin
Open hall, air escape, no need inverter, get the cheapest entry level Hisense
For office, business... Acson / Daikin non-inverter.. due to crazy spare part support for long term

And more importantly learn how to use dry mode, on/off timer on the air con.
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I personally would add Midea to the list.
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post Jun 25 2024, 02:22 PM

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Any idea if the Save 4.0 rm200 rebate still available?
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post Jun 25 2024, 04:27 PM

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Hi All,

Looking for recommendation for below 2 aircond models to be install at my dining room. Which one do you think is good in term of easy maintenance, low noise indoor and outdoor, Good cooling systems.

Hisense 1.0HP model AN10DBG2
Midea 1.0HP model MSMF10CRN8
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post Jun 25 2024, 05:40 PM

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QUOTE(adamw @ Jun 25 2024, 02:22 PM)
Any idea if the Save 4.0 rm200 rebate still available?
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Been told for KL area shops mostly no more. Think they have certain quota allocated to each store.
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post Jun 26 2024, 10:53 AM

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QUOTE(bengyson @ Jun 25 2024, 04:27 PM)
Hi All,

Looking for recommendation for below 2 aircond models to be install at my dining room. Which one do you think is good in term of easy maintenance, low noise indoor and outdoor, Good cooling systems.

Hisense 1.0HP model AN10DBG2
Midea 1.0HP model MSMF10CRN8
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No experience with standard range Midea. My Midea 1.0hp top of the line inverter from 6 years ago the compressor noise is acceptable. But out of 3 units 1 failed already, 3 different aircon guy also can't fix it and problems keep getting worse. I replaced it with a Haier inverter because of the Save 4.0... was the cheapest inverter I could find last August.

Entry range Haier looks and feels more cheaply made versus entry level Hisense, and the blower not as strong.

But I would avoid Midea due to my own experience.

Between the 2 models.. I would go with Hisense

Hisense vs Midea
9500btu vs 9300btu
temp sensor on AC & remote vs AC only
airflow 600 m3 vs 593 m3
outdoor noise 51 dBa vs 51 dBa

Warranty both 5+2


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post Jun 26 2024, 03:14 PM

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Hello, I have been using my Mitsubishi Heavy Industries 1.5hp (NON-INV) ac for about 10 years now and it started to give a lot of problems. The coils also started to freeze and leaks at times which is really annoying because the indoor unit is right above my bed. I had my tech check it a few times and he said maybe PCB problem but will cost about RM400-600 to repair it and even then cant be sure can fix the problem or not. I did check the spare part on Shopee which costs about RM250 with no warranty. The bottom line is I had enough with all this problems, so I plan to change it.

What I realised over the years is that 1.5HP is overkill for my room(19ft x 8ft = 152sft). I will instead go with 1HP 5 star inverter ac and came across Sharp AHX10BED at a very affordable price.

Is anyone using this model? How is the cooling? Is it comparable to say Panasonic when comes to cooling capacity?

https://www.my.sharp/products/air-care/j-te...tioner-ahx10bed
https://shopee.com.my/SHARP-1.0HP-R32-J-TEC...5a-b4cf2c7d4a9d

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QUOTE(darkcurves @ Jun 26 2024, 03:14 PM)
Hello, I have been using my Mitsubishi Heavy Industries 1.5hp (NON-INV) ac for about 10 years now and it started to give a lot of problems. The coils also started to freeze and leaks at times which is really annoying because the indoor unit is right above my bed. I had my tech check it a few times and he said maybe PCB problem but will cost about RM400-600 to repair it and even then cant be sure can fix the problem or not. I did check the spare part on Shopee which costs about RM250 with no warranty. The bottom line is I had enough with all this problems, so I plan to change it.

What I realised over the years is that 1.5HP is overkill for my room(19ft x 8ft = 152sft). I will instead go with 1HP 5 star inverter ac and came across Sharp AHX10BED at a very affordable price.

Is anyone using this model? How is the cooling? Is it comparable to say Panasonic when comes to cooling capacity?

https://www.my.sharp/products/air-care/j-te...tioner-ahx10bed
https://shopee.com.my/SHARP-1.0HP-R32-J-TEC...5a-b4cf2c7d4a9d

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9700 btu is a good 1HP. You need to realise that not all AC from the same mfg are built the same.
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QUOTE(Jason @ Jun 26 2024, 10:53 AM)
No experience with standard range Midea. My Midea 1.0hp top of the line inverter from 6 years ago the compressor noise is acceptable. But out of 3 units 1 failed already, 3 different aircon guy also can't fix it and problems keep getting worse. I replaced it with a Haier inverter because of the Save 4.0... was the cheapest inverter I could find last August.

Entry range Haier looks and feels more cheaply made versus entry level Hisense, and the blower not as strong.

But I would avoid Midea due to my own experience.

Between the 2 models.. I would go with Hisense

Hisense vs Midea
9500btu vs 9300btu
temp sensor on AC & remote vs AC only
airflow 600 m3 vs 593 m3
outdoor noise 51 dBa vs 51 dBa

Warranty both 5+2
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Thanks Jason. From the website Hisense specs is more promising and price wise much cheaper than Midea 850 vs 930.
I bought Hisense 2.0hp non-inverter more than 5 yrs ago still work like champ.
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post Jun 27 2024, 02:40 PM

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QUOTE(ceo684 @ Jun 26 2024, 04:05 PM)
9700 btu is a good 1HP. You need to realise that not all AC from the same mfg are built the same.
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Yep, I noticed that before.

Btw, can this type of calculator be trusted? Based on the details I provided, my room actually needs 1.5HP, haha.


https://www.civil-engineering-calculators.c...Size-Calculator
https://www.daikin.com.my/heat-calculator/

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post Jun 27 2024, 03:44 PM

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QUOTE(darkcurves @ Jun 26 2024, 03:14 PM)
Hello, I have been using my Mitsubishi Heavy Industries 1.5hp (NON-INV) ac for about 10 years now and it started to give a lot of problems. The coils also started to freeze and leaks at times which is really annoying because the indoor unit is right above my bed. I had my tech check it a few times and he said maybe PCB problem but will cost about RM400-600 to repair it and even then cant be sure can fix the problem or not. I did check the spare part on Shopee which costs about RM250 with no warranty. The bottom line is I had enough with all this problems, so I plan to change it.

What I realised over the years is that 1.5HP is overkill for my room(19ft x 8ft = 152sft). I will instead go with 1HP 5 star inverter ac and came across Sharp AHX10BED at a very affordable price.

Is anyone using this model? How is the cooling? Is it comparable to say Panasonic when comes to cooling capacity?

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My Panasonic inverter with iAutoX is useless as an air con if you ask me... oh but super power saving. But I wanna save power I'll buy fan, not aircon. Out of curiosity why you shortlist Sharp? I only know Sharp has smaller outdoor compressor unit compared to others.


QUOTE(bengyson @ Jun 27 2024, 01:49 AM)
Thanks Jason. From the website Hisense specs is more promising and price wise much cheaper than Midea 850 vs 930.
I bought Hisense 2.0hp non-inverter more than 5 yrs ago still work like champ.
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Well you already have good experience with Hisense, and the basic entry model Hisense is cheap among major China brands... no brainer if you ask me...


QUOTE(darkcurves @ Jun 27 2024, 02:40 PM)
Yep, I noticed that before.

Btw, can this type of calculator be trusted? Based on the details I provided, my room actually needs 1.5HP, haha.


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If you are getting inverter model.. as per your earlier post.. no harm going oversize and bigger, because the inverter can slow the compressor unit down to regulate temperature are your setting.

The A/C installer tell me my master room only need 1.5hp... I whacked a 2hp Panasonic inverter.. but alas.. still slow to cool down from turning it on. Unlike Hisense that blast your face with cold air when you turn it on. Usually I use Panasonic Comfort Control app and on my A/C before I want to go to my room.

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post Jun 29 2024, 04:18 PM

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my rented unit the mitsubishi aircon (non-inverter) was not cold, under defects liability period, in end of dec 2023, fixed one time, they just added the gas, then after 3 to 4 months later later the aircon not cold again, mid of april they fixed it and also added gas, then recently staring early june also aircon totally not cold again (this time was faster)...

they came to fix one week back and now aircon is back to normal... previously it took more than hours also could not hit even 25 degree of temperature set...

now the room after aircon is on the aircon will full blast for 10 minutes, after that it tones down and become quiet air blowing and after 5 more minutes it will hit the 25 degree temperature set..
I supposed this should be 'normal' if an aircon is fully functionally.

now finally the aircon feels normal.. but i hope this will last... becos this was the 3rd time fix as of now..

i told them that it could be due to internal piping inside the wall that is leaking thus even after refilling gas the gas still leaks and if this is not fixed, no matter how many times of refilling the gas, it will still have the same problem.

but the technican who came said, they had done something (which i could not understand fully what they said), but they told me if still have prob they will come again..

hopefully this round the prob is really fixed then no need to fix again.

initially i tot that the master bedroom in the past it took longer time to cool down it was due to the room is bigger than the study room (both are using 1HP aircon, masterbedroom one is using mitsubishi non-inverter given by developer, while study room is using midea who installed by landlord themselves)...

midea aircon is damn cold maybe given the room is smaller, and sometimes daytime when i just set the temperature 26/25 degree i feel too cold that i may need to off the aircon for a while before on back again.

while mitsubishi one i dun feel like that, i feel it is really 25 degree when i really set it to be... and i feel more comfortable with it...

seems like mitsubishi aircon has better accuracy in temperature than midea? even both are non-inverter and 1HP....so my guess is that indeed old and reputable brand like mitsubishi indeed produces better aircon.
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QUOTE(Jason @ Jun 18 2024, 01:10 PM)
Why you want inverter for home stay/airbnb? No difference because ppl will on 16C and leave it on 24/7... inverter running at full load is the same as non-inverter. Don't waste your money.

Easy available parts, consistently is Acson/Daikin. Reliable and trusted... Acson/Daikin. OYL has manufacturing in Malaysia, plenty of parts, and they are the 1st or 2nd largest HVAC manufacturer in the entire world. But they are not the cheapest. I used to swear by Panasonic, but my last 2 inverters.. 1hp bought in 2016 I think.and another 2hp bought 4 years ago.. is... rubbish. it is very power saving because even when you turn on iAutoX and demand rapid cooling..the aircon refuses.... they limit the performance to achieve power savings lah. I dislike Panasonic air con these days but admit it is power saving..because it is not cooling lol.

If I were you, I'll buy the cheapest Hisense model, which can get for RM7xx installed for 1HP. Super bang for buck.
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indeed... my landlord also never install inverter aircon for my rented unit... sad.gif so no cost saving for me also since it is not inverter... bangwall.gif
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post Jun 30 2024, 12:03 PM

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QUOTE(westlife @ Jun 29 2024, 04:19 PM)
indeed... my landlord also never install inverter aircon for my rented unit...  sad.gif so no cost saving for me also since it is not inverter...  bangwall.gif
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Well normal aircons are simpler than inverter ones, the PCB. I had one pre-OYL Daikin inverter than failed right after warranty due the PCB and aircon guy said too expensive to fix.. and that’s when I got the first Panasonic 1hp inverter in a small room. Forever also on iAutoX

So for rental purposes.. keeping it simple and reliable is the landlord’s goal. Electricity is paid by tenant so they won’t care about energy savings or comfort.

Most ppl don’t care if it’s inverter or not inverter. They just want the aircon to be cooling.

Knowledge is important. If the room is big and need 1.5hp.. installing an inverter 1hp will be worse off than a standard 1.5hp.
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QUOTE(Jason @ Jun 30 2024, 12:03 PM)
Well normal aircons are simpler than inverter ones, the PCB. I had one pre-OYL Daikin inverter than failed right after warranty due the PCB and aircon guy said too expensive to fix.. and that’s when I got the first Panasonic 1hp inverter in a small room. Forever also on iAutoX

So for rental purposes.. keeping it simple and reliable is the landlord’s goal. Electricity is paid by tenant so they won’t care about energy savings or comfort.

Most ppl don’t care if it’s inverter or not inverter. They just want the aircon to be cooling.

Knowledge is important. If the room is big and need 1.5hp.. installing an inverter 1hp will be worse off than a standard 1.5hp.
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Actually for renting a unit, initially I was telling myself that I will only go for the unit that has inverter aircons installed but ultimately I compromise this req because I want to rent the unit.
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QUOTE(Jason @ Jun 27 2024, 03:44 PM)
My Panasonic inverter with iAutoX is useless as an air con if you ask me... oh but super power saving. But I wanna save power I'll buy fan, not aircon. Out of curiosity why you shortlist Sharp? I only know Sharp has smaller outdoor compressor unit compared to others.
Well you already have good experience with Hisense, and the basic entry model Hisense is cheap among major China brands... no brainer if you ask me...
If you are getting inverter model.. as per your earlier post.. no harm going oversize and bigger, because the inverter can slow the compressor unit down to regulate temperature are your setting.

The A/C installer tell me my master room only need 1.5hp... I whacked a 2hp Panasonic inverter.. but alas.. still slow to cool down from turning it on. Unlike Hisense that blast your face with cold air when you turn it on. Usually I use Panasonic Comfort Control app and on my A/C before I want to go to my room.
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The reason I shortlisted Sharp 1hp inverter is due to budget constraints. Seems like the cheapest "branded" 1hp inverter at the moment.

Hmm, so would you recommend a 1.5HP inverter with 4 stars instead? The TCL 1.5hp inverter is the same price as the Sharp 1hp inv.
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QUOTE(darkcurves @ Jun 30 2024, 02:39 PM)
The reason I shortlisted Sharp 1hp inverter is due to budget constraints. Seems like the cheapest "branded" 1hp inverter at the moment.

Hmm, so would you recommend a 1.5HP inverter with 4 stars instead? The TCL 1.5hp inverter is the same price as the Sharp 1hp inv.
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midea will be even cheaper... tongue.gif

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