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post Feb 19 2015, 12:53 AM

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QUOTE(heavyduty @ Feb 19 2015, 12:46 AM)
some do,some do not

officially only the M1A2 SEP has AC for dem computers but the upgrade programme is not systematic so they have a mix of A1s and A2s that dont meet SEP standard but have aircond
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the A3 program is on the go??
some say gas drinker turbine engine will be replaced with a conventional diesel but now oil is cheap laugh.gif


QUOTE(kerolzarmyfanboy @ Feb 19 2015, 12:47 AM)
would it kill the designers to create more comfort for the tank crews..?  sweat.gif  sweat.gif
is it that hard to create a cool n proper air conditioning system for a tank  yawn.gif
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post Feb 19 2015, 01:02 AM

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QUOTE(thpace @ Feb 19 2015, 12:53 AM)
the A3 program is on the go??
some say gas drinker turbine engine will be replaced with a conventional diesel but now oil is cheap  laugh.gif
not a priority  laugh.gif
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thought the A3 was gonna be a hybrid like some homo prius?price of oil not important to military,the fleet of tankers needed to keep these things moving are biggrin.gif

crew comfort is like number 28 on the list of priorities,just below brasso supply audit wink.gif


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post Feb 19 2015, 01:05 AM

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Imagine you live in a country that is about negative 20 degree centigrade. air con is the last thing u need.

even cars in US/europe cars dun have air conditioner
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post Feb 19 2015, 01:07 AM

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QUOTE(heavyduty @ Feb 19 2015, 01:02 AM)
thought the A3 was gonna be a hybrid like some homo prius?price of oil not important to military,the fleet of tankers needed to keep these things moving are  biggrin.gif

crew comfort is like number 28 on the list of priorities,just below brasso supply audit  wink.gif
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wut?

from a gas drinker to hybrids? sweat.gif

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post Feb 19 2015, 01:15 AM

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Just asking Vietnamese about their crampy and hot cabin of their T-55/54 fleets.

Basic model of M113 is too doesn't have Air Con
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post Feb 19 2015, 01:26 AM

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malaysia and Indo Su-30 have aircond or not ?
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post Feb 19 2015, 02:10 AM

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Russia tank factory Uralvagonzavod

new tank design look into APS

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post Feb 19 2015, 04:17 AM

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QUOTE(thpace @ Feb 18 2015, 11:51 PM)
can get help from india on that.. their new upgrade plan will feature air-conditioning system on their t-90s produced domestically
btw PT-91M have airconĀ  meh ? I thought also dont have laugh.gif
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Yes our pt-91m have aircon inside, just not a really strong one as the coolest it can get is 26-27c

The only thing I worry about the tank is co2 ventilation system, after firings main/mg guns the inside reported to have unsafe levels of co2 accumulation

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post Feb 19 2015, 04:26 AM

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QUOTE(thpace @ Feb 19 2015, 02:10 AM)


Russia tank factory Uralvagonzavod

new tank design look into APS
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lol kesian that rc tank.. laugh.gif
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post Feb 19 2015, 06:22 AM

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QUOTE(azriel @ Feb 18 2015, 11:29 PM)
So, potentially can be installed on 18 ships, if the test is successful

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post Feb 19 2015, 08:18 AM

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QUOTE(KYPMbangi @ Feb 19 2015, 04:26 AM)
lol kesian that rc tank..  laugh.gif
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At least can see how russia autoloader work and the spent shell ejectors

Plus, now russian tanks look quite clean inside and outsides

But k2 is still my favorite tanks
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post Feb 19 2015, 10:19 AM

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QUOTE(thpace @ Feb 19 2015, 12:13 AM)
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if u want russian plane to carry European armaments, still can bincang, if Russian want to integrate them for you. But the situation now is highly unlikely

If u want a russian plane to use US armaments, dont need hope at all. Will nvr happen. Dont say about technical difficulties russian will give answer no laugh.gif
same so to asking our f18 to carry russian missiles. US will just say no sweat.gif
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Russian manufacturers sukhoi & mikoyan already have the compatibility pack ready. Old mig21 also already have such mods in late 70's that it could carry r550 magic missiles. You don't have to customise anything, when you place order, they will offer you for which package and additional add on std.

Iranian F-14, F-4E, F-5E are now carrying chinese and russian armaments, no problem. Engines probably russians too.
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QUOTE(waja2000 @ Feb 19 2015, 12:45 AM)
the Ebris-E PESA not that high tech actually, more like marketing talk, it can detection range very far, but just inaccurate detection, just like "hyperopia" but not sharp what they see.  if very-very good T-50 or Mig35 wont use AESA radar any more.
seems you just on dream .....  laugh.gif
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Irbis E is more expensive and heavier, only suitable for larger fighter such as su35 and t50.

Correction on mig35, it uses AESA radar. Fyi, Russian AESA radar was developed out of russian research on us stealth aircrafts over serbia too. What makes you think the Russians failed to design good radar? French never had BVR kills but Russians do mostly from SAMs shooting down F16c, f15e, f/a-18c, f117, mirage 2000 in 90's.

Mig35 vs rafale, the r77 or r27ae would probably splash rafale.
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QUOTE(kerolzarmyfanboy @ Feb 19 2015, 12:47 AM)
would it kill the designers to create more comfort for the tank crews..?  sweat.gif  sweat.gif
is it that hard to create a cool n proper air conditioning system for a tank  yawn.gif
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Tank manufacturers aren't air cond specialist and they don't have specific AC vendor. They'll tell you to buy from Denso. US & Nato tanks operating in us desert, iraq and afghanistan all have fitted aircond fitted by outside vendors. Cheaper this way, don't have to worry about getting 2nd markup by manufacturer.
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Russia tank factory Uralvagonzavod

new tank design look into APS
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This T90 has separate crew compartment and ammo storage like western tanks? If not, this upgraded T90 is not a good tank. T90 is just remake t72b with cramped interior and deadly autoloader known of ripping off tank crew's hand. No thanks.

Russia should come up with new mbt. T90 is no match against insurgents rpg29 and IED. M1a2sep, challenger2, leopard 2a6, leclerc would destroy t90 easily.
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post Feb 19 2015, 11:00 AM

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Indonesian Army just receive two new tugboats and two Landing Craft utility

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KASAD TERIMA 2 KAPAL LCU DAN 2 TUG BOAT HASIL KARYA ANAK BANGSA


Kepala Staf TNI Angkatan Darat Jenderal TNI Gatot Nurmantyo menerima penyerahan alutsista baru berupa dua buah Kapal pendarat serbaguna 1000 Dead Weight Tonnage (DWT) yaitu KM ADRI XLVIII dan ADRI XLIX, dan dua buah Tug Boat yaitu AD1 dan AD2, serta suku cadang dari PT. Putrindo Adiyasa Perkasa di Galangan II PT. Dok Kodja Bahari Tanjung Priok, Rabu (18/2).

Usai penyerahan dan penandatangan naskah serah terima kapal, maka kapal-kapal serta suku cadang yang merupakan pengadaan dari Kementerian Pertahanan RI ini, resmi diserahkan kepada TNI AD untuk memperkuat Direktorat Perbekalan dan Angkutan Angkatan Darat (Ditbekangad) sebagai kekuatan alat angkut air di jajaran TNI AD.

Dalam sambutannya, Kasad menyatakan bahwa kapal-kapal ini merupakan hasil karya dan kerjasama anak negeri yaitu personel Ditbekangad dengan para tenaga ahli dan pelaksana pembangunan dari PT. Putrindo Adiyasa Perkasa, PT. Tesco Indomaritim, PT. Dok Kodja Bahari dan PT Pindad. Penyerahan kapal ini juga menjadi bukti dukungan dan komitmen TNI AD dalam mendukung industri nasional dalam pengadaan berbagai peralatan pertahanan dan alutsista.

Dikatakan Kasad bahwa kebutuhan kapal sebagai alat angkut air sangatlah krusial dalam pelaksanaan tugas TNI AD, baik untuk sarana transportasi/mobilisasi (pergeseran pasukan) maupun sebagai sarana untuk mengangkut logistik ke seluruh pelosok tanah air. Hal ini mengingat kondisi geografis Indonesia yang merupakan negara kepulauan yang dikelilingi oleh perairan. Itulah mengapa penambahan dua unit kapal ini sangat berarti bagi TNI AD, khususnya Ditbekangad, dalam meningkatkan kinerjanya untuk mendukung pelaksanaan tugas pokok TNI AD.

Kasad juga berharap ke depannya, pengadaan alat angkut air seperti ini harus ditingkatkan jumlahnya sesuai kebutuhan, namun dengan tetap memperhatikan kualitasnya, sesuai dengan tuntutan modernisasi yang tengah digalakkan di lingkungan TNI AD.

Sebelum mengakhiri sambutannya, Kasad menyampaikan rasa terima kasihnya kepada Menteri Pertahanan RI yang telah mendukung program pengadaan dua unit kapal pendarat serbaguna 1.000 DWT, Tug Boat dan suku cadang ini. Selain itu Kasad juga mengucapkan terima kasih kepada Dirbekangad dan segenap Direksi PT pendukung yaitu PT. Putrindo Adiyasa Perkasa, PT. Tesco Indomaritim, PT. Dok Kodja Bahari dan PT Pindad, seraya berharap kerjasama yang telah terjalin baik ini dapat terus dilanjutkan, bahkan lebih ditingkatkan lagi di masa yang akan datang.

Khusus kepada Dirbekangad dan jajarannya, Kasad berpesan agar memelihara dan mengoperasionalkan armada kapal ADRI XLVIII dan ADRI XLIX ini dengan sebaik-baiknya dan sesuai aturan dan ketentuan yang berlaku, sehingga dapat memperpanjang usia pakai kapal dan terutama guna memastikan tidak terjadi permasalahan selama dalam pelayaran.

Sementara itu, Dirbekangad Brigadir Jenderal TNI Pasenga Talilah menyampaikan bahwa kedua kapal ini akan menjadi armada andalan Yonbekang-4/Air, dimana pengoperasionalan kapal ini akan berada di bawah satuan tersebut. Dirbekangad juga berharap dengan tambahan kapal ini, satuan Bekang akan semakin profesional dan dapat meningkatkan kinerja satuannya.

Adapun spesifikasi kapal KM ADRI XLVIII dan ADRI XLIX yaitu memiliki panjang 68 meter, lebar 13,50 meter, tinggi geladak 5,70 meter, sarat air 2,75 meter. Kapal ini dilengkapi dengan mesin penggerak dengan ukuran 2 x 720 HP, kecepatan maksimal yang bisa dicapai yaitu 20 Knot, dengan tanki bahan bakar berkapasitas 250 ton, dan tanki air tawar berkapasitas hingga 432 ton, serta ruang palkah bervolume 1.450 m3.

Untuk muatan yang bisa diangkut oleh kapal pendarat serbaguna ini yaitu 300 orang pasukan dan perlengkapannya, 22 unit kendaraan truk seberat masing-masing 5 ton, 12 unit kendaraan tempur roda ban/rantai, atau bekal/materiil seberat 500 ton. Sementara jarak jelajah kapal ini bisa mencapai 3.000 mil laut.


Spesifikasi untuk Tug Boat AD1 dan AD2 yaitu, memiliki panjang seluruhnya (LOA) 15,20 meter, panjang antar garis (LPP) 13.80 meter, lebar luar (Mld) 5,15 meter, sara air atau design sepanjang 1,50 meter, dan kecepatan mencapai 6 knot. (Dispenad)

TNI AD
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post Feb 19 2015, 11:19 AM

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QUOTE(kungfugymnast @ Feb 19 2015, 10:53 AM)
This T90 has separate crew compartment and ammo storage like western tanks? If not, this upgraded T90 is not a good tank. T90 is just remake t72b with cramped interior and deadly autoloader known of ripping off tank crew's hand. No thanks.

Russia should come up with new mbt. T90 is no match against insurgents rpg29 and IED. M1a2sep, challenger2, leopard 2a6, leclerc would destroy t90 easily.
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Mind you. T-90 was equipped with kontakt 5 ERA tiles

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Jane's International Defence Review 7/1997, pg. 15:

"IMPENETRABLE RUSSIAN TANK ARMOUR STANDS UP TO EXAMINATION

"Claims that the armour of Russian tanks is effectively impenetrable, made on the basis of test carried out in Germany (see IDR 7/1996, p.15), have been supported by comments made following tests in the US.

"Speaking at a conference on Future Armoured Warfare in London in May, IDR's Pentagon correspondent Leland Ness explained that US tests involved firing trials of Russian-built T-72 tanks fitted with Kontakt-5 explosive reactive armour (ERA). In contrast to the original, or 'light', type of ERA which is effective only against shaped charge jets, the 'heavy' Kontakt-5 ERA is also effective against the long-rod penetrators of APFSDS tank gun projectiles.

"When fitted to T-72 tanks, the 'heavy' ERA made them immune to the DU penetrators of M829 APFSDS, fired by the 120 mm guns of the US M1 Abrams tanks, which are among the most formidable of current tank gun projectiles.

"Richard M. Ogorkiewicz"


There's claim that during a tank battle in Iraq, many of the US tank shots was glanced away by the armor of the Iraqi T-72/Ababil. And Iraqi T-72 doesn't even have ERA tiles. The allies is lucky that Iraqi KE round are so inferior, that it shattered on impact with Allies tank armor, even when fired at point blank range.

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QUOTE(madoka @ Feb 19 2015, 11:00 AM)
Indonesian Army just receive two new tugboats and two Landing Craft utility

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KASAD TERIMA 2 KAPAL LCU DAN 2 TUG BOAT HASIL KARYA ANAK BANGSA
Kepala Staf TNI Angkatan Darat Jenderal TNI Gatot Nurmantyo menerima penyerahan alutsista baru berupa dua buah Kapal pendarat serbaguna 1000 Dead Weight Tonnage (DWT) yaitu KM ADRI XLVIII dan ADRI XLIX, dan dua buah Tug Boat yaitu AD1 dan AD2, serta suku cadang dari PT. Putrindo Adiyasa Perkasa di Galangan II PT. Dok Kodja Bahari Tanjung Priok, Rabu (18/2).

Usai penyerahan dan penandatangan naskah serah terima kapal, maka kapal-kapal serta suku cadang yang merupakan pengadaan dari Kementerian Pertahanan RI ini, resmi diserahkan kepada TNI AD untuk memperkuat Direktorat Perbekalan dan Angkutan Angkatan Darat (Ditbekangad) sebagai kekuatan alat angkut air di jajaran TNI AD.

Dalam sambutannya, Kasad menyatakan bahwa kapal-kapal ini merupakan hasil karya dan kerjasama anak negeri yaitu personel Ditbekangad dengan para tenaga ahli dan pelaksana pembangunan dari PT. Putrindo Adiyasa Perkasa, PT. Tesco Indomaritim, PT. Dok Kodja Bahari dan PT Pindad. Penyerahan kapal ini juga menjadi bukti dukungan dan komitmen TNI AD dalam mendukung industri nasional dalam pengadaan berbagai peralatan pertahanan dan alutsista.

Dikatakan Kasad bahwa kebutuhan kapal sebagai alat angkut air sangatlah krusial dalam pelaksanaan tugas TNI AD, baik untuk sarana transportasi/mobilisasi (pergeseran pasukan) maupun sebagai sarana untuk mengangkut logistik ke seluruh pelosok tanah air. Hal ini mengingat kondisi geografis Indonesia yang merupakan negara kepulauan yang dikelilingi oleh perairan. Itulah mengapa penambahan dua unit kapal ini sangat berarti bagi TNI AD, khususnya Ditbekangad, dalam meningkatkan kinerjanya untuk mendukung pelaksanaan tugas pokok TNI AD.

Kasad juga berharap ke depannya, pengadaan alat angkut air seperti ini harus ditingkatkan jumlahnya sesuai kebutuhan, namun dengan tetap memperhatikan kualitasnya, sesuai dengan tuntutan modernisasi yang tengah digalakkan di lingkungan TNI AD.

Sebelum mengakhiri sambutannya, Kasad menyampaikan rasa terima kasihnya kepada Menteri Pertahanan RI yang telah mendukung program pengadaan dua unit kapal pendarat serbaguna 1.000 DWT, Tug Boat dan suku cadang ini. Selain itu Kasad juga mengucapkan terima kasih kepada Dirbekangad dan segenap Direksi PT pendukung yaitu PT. Putrindo Adiyasa Perkasa, PT. Tesco Indomaritim, PT. Dok Kodja Bahari dan PT Pindad, seraya berharap kerjasama yang telah terjalin baik ini dapat terus dilanjutkan, bahkan lebih ditingkatkan lagi di masa yang akan datang.

Khusus kepada Dirbekangad dan jajarannya, Kasad berpesan agar memelihara dan mengoperasionalkan armada kapal ADRI XLVIII dan ADRI XLIX ini dengan sebaik-baiknya dan sesuai aturan dan ketentuan yang berlaku, sehingga dapat memperpanjang usia pakai kapal dan terutama guna memastikan tidak terjadi permasalahan selama dalam pelayaran.

Sementara itu, Dirbekangad Brigadir Jenderal TNI Pasenga Talilah menyampaikan bahwa kedua kapal ini akan menjadi armada andalan Yonbekang-4/Air, dimana pengoperasionalan kapal ini akan berada di bawah satuan tersebut. Dirbekangad juga berharap dengan tambahan kapal ini, satuan Bekang akan semakin profesional dan dapat meningkatkan kinerja satuannya.

Adapun spesifikasi kapal KM ADRI XLVIII dan ADRI XLIX yaitu memiliki panjang 68 meter, lebar 13,50 meter, tinggi geladak 5,70 meter, sarat air 2,75 meter. Kapal ini dilengkapi dengan mesin penggerak dengan ukuran 2 x 720 HP, kecepatan maksimal yang bisa dicapai yaitu 20 Knot, dengan tanki bahan bakar berkapasitas 250 ton, dan tanki air tawar berkapasitas hingga 432 ton, serta ruang palkah bervolume 1.450 m3.

Untuk muatan yang bisa diangkut oleh kapal pendarat serbaguna ini yaitu 300 orang pasukan dan perlengkapannya, 22 unit kendaraan truk seberat masing-masing 5 ton, 12 unit kendaraan tempur roda ban/rantai, atau bekal/materiil seberat 500 ton. Sementara jarak jelajah kapal ini bisa mencapai 3.000 mil laut.


Spesifikasi untuk Tug Boat AD1 dan AD2 yaitu, memiliki panjang seluruhnya (LOA) 15,20 meter, panjang antar garis (LPP) 13.80 meter, lebar luar (Mld) 5,15 meter, sara air atau design sepanjang 1,50 meter, dan kecepatan mencapai 6 knot. (Dispenad)

TNI AD
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Can transport Leopard 2 across a river?

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post Feb 19 2015, 12:08 PM

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Can transport Leopard 2 across a river?
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QUOTE(kungfugymnast @ Feb 19 2015, 10:53 AM)
This T90 has separate crew compartment and ammo storage like western tanks? If not, this upgraded T90 is not a good tank. T90 is just remake t72b with cramped interior and deadly autoloader known of ripping off tank crew's hand. No thanks.

Russia should come up with new mbt. T90 is no match against insurgents rpg29 and IED. M1a2sep, challenger2, leopard 2a6, leclerc would destroy t90 easily.
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You need to understand military doctrine is different in each and every country, that's why russian is sticking to their design and western sticking to theirs, and israel made their own tanks from their own experience

Autoloader exist and will stay on russian tank cuz it is actually faster to load the 2-part russian tank ammunition (propellant & projectile) automatically using machines than using an actual crew, by comparison to western tank the difference is almost negligible to compare machine vs crew in loading their 1-part western tank ammunition

Russian dun have to design a western style tanks to be on the same level, sure arguments like active protection vs passive protection would continue till kingdom come but there's a an actual reason why certain things is the way they are rather than trying to copy others which in the end might be incompatible with their doctrine

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