What do they use to keep cool in summer then?

You do know this problem only exist in early version of the autoloader, and only happens when the crew accidently gets too near with the machine or tried to repair while its on operation, not a problem anymore

Meanwhile western tank manual loader risk his finger and hands EVERYTIME he loads a round into the gun and the breech lock shuts in, loaders getting his fingers chops off by the breech lock? happens all the time

Roll down the windows saja lol.. or just use the default car fan?

where did you get this information from? or are you just extrapolating data from iraqi T-72s and thinking that it applies to the T-90? as for the insurgent weapons, it doesn't mean much given the fact that even the Challenger 2 was penetrated by a RPG29.

All claimed only. If assad babylonia t72 could deflect DU rounds, they would have scored some kills against Abrams. T72 didn't fare well in chechnya neither.

Kontakt5 era so what? If it managed to stop 1 shot, then 2nd round the tank gets cook off or blown off turret? Abram, challengers are known to be able to withstand few hits before being destroyed. Can the tungsten round defeat du rounds?

T80bv with lots of era tiles. Chechen fighters aim their RPG at engine compartment where armour to crew compartment is thinnest. When rpg punched into crew compartment, there's the ammo storage and whole tank destroyed. It's the t72/80/90 design is poor with no separate crew compartment, ammo storage and armour between storage and engine bay makes the tank lousy.

mana boley tahan beb... their summer already hotter than msia like 40C, but not as humid la. They have both aircond and heater one la in US same like those AP imported Japan Estima, Alphard all also have aircond for summer use one. Not to mention modern HVAC was invented by American Willis Carrier. And not all US states have cold climate, I think Florida, Nevada and other southern states have similar climates with us

500 tons capacity.....7 Leopards

Autoloader is good if there's isolation from crew like in leclerc & merkava, tank crew don't get to touch nor see the autoloader. Russia got into serious financial crisis that they cancelled the t95 project with proper autoloader separated from crew compartment and separate ammo storage.

T72/80/90 are nothing more than 70's era tech doctrine. The design fails big time under present day. Since t95 was scrapped and russians lost the t80 factory to ukraine after soviet union dissolved, they have only t72 left and give it modificaton then renamed it t90.

@DDG_Ross
Western tanks with crew loader, they don't touch the firing mechanism. Only load the rounds into a hatch tube and close it, then gunner fire after receiving order from tank commander. Load sabot, sabot up, fire, on the way then press trigger. Not sure what injury risk you're referring in abram, challenger 2 and leopard 2.

This post has been edited by kungfugymnast: Feb 19 2015, 02:24 PM

Anyway here is a scale model of the Indonesian Army Leopard 2RI (Rheinmetall MBT Revolution).


(credit to azravadila)

Note that the Indonesian Army's version of the Rheinmetall MBT Revolution is without the ROSY system.

The physical of loading itself is a hazard,but common sense la.you work in a tank,theres always an inherit risk.you could lose your fingers while cleaning a M2

btw,you got your commands mixed up

Russia conducting major air exercises close to Europe

Russia is staging a series of major aerial exercises near Europe as tensions with the West continue to escalate over the crisis in Ukraine, state media has announced.

More than 50 combat aircraft of various types are taking part in the live-fire exercises in the western military district of Russia, the Sputnik news agency reported.

The exercises, which began on 17 February, will involve Sukhoi Su-34 'Fullback', MiG-29SMT 'Fulcrum', MiG-31BM 'Foxhound', and various Sukhoi Su-27 'Flanker'-series combat aircraft.

According to the reports, the exercises will culminate with the Ladoga-2015 exercise over Lake Ladoga, east of the city of St Petersburg.

http://www.janes.com/article/49064/russia-...close-to-europe


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North Korea Flight Tests New Submarine-Launched Ballistic Missile
Pentagon: KN-11 missile test fired from floating platform


North Korea conducted the first flight test of a new submarine-launched ballistic missile last month, defense officials said this week.

The flight test of what the Pentagon is calling the KN-11 missile took place Jan. 23 off the coast of North Korea from a sea-based platform—not a submarine—located off the coast of the communist state, said officials familiar with reports of the flight test.

U.S. intelligence ships and aircraft monitored the test and tracked the successful missile firing.

Additional details of the flight test could not be learned. A Pentagon spokesman declined to comment on the test, citing the sensitivity of information about North Korea’s SLBM program.

The flight test followed a land-based ejection test of the KN-11 in November from a static launcher located at the North’s Sinpo South Shipyard in November. Sinpo is a port city on North Korea’s southeastern coast about 100 miles from the Demilitarized Zone separating North Korea from rival South Korea.

The flight test is being viewed by U.S. intelligence analysts as a significant step forward for Pyongyang’s submarine-launched ballistic missile program. The new program was first disclosed by the Washington Free Beacon Aug. 26.

Marine Corps Lt. Gen. Vincent R. Stewart, director of the Defense Intelligence Agency, told the House Armed Services Committee Feb. 3 that North Korea’s nuclear weapons and missile programs “pose a serious threat to the U.S. and regional allies.”

“Pyongyang maintains that nuclear and ballistic missile capabilities are essential to ensure its sovereignty,” Stewart said in a prepared statement.

“Because of its conventional military deficiencies, the DPRK [North Korea] also has concentrated on improving its deterrence capabilities, especially its nuclear technology and ballistic missile forces.”

Stewart added that DIA is concerned North Korea will conduct a fourth underground nuclear test in the future.

The DIA director’s testimony made no mention of the SLBM program. But he said: “Pyongyang also is making efforts to expand and modernize its deployed missile forces consisting of close-, short-, medium-, and intermediate-range systems.”

“It seeks to develop longer-range ballistic missiles capable of delivering nuclear weapons to the United States and continues efforts to bring its KN-08 road-mobile ICBM to operational capacity.

Other analysts assess the SLBM missile will be developed as a nuclear delivery system for Pyongyang’s nuclear arsenal. A submarine-launched nuclear missile would add a more-difficult target to U.S. regional deterrence and missile defenses.

Since the SLBM program was disclosed last year, South Korea’s government has confirmed the program.

Rick Fisher, a senior fellow at the International Assessment and Strategy Center, said the use of a floating launch platform indicates the KN-11 could be launched from a military or commercial ship as well as from a submarine.

Platform test launches also indicate that the weapon is in an early stage of development and is not ready to be launched from a submerged submarine.

“For Pyongyang, using the KN-11 from ships as well as submarines rapidly increases the number of potential launch platforms, as it also complicates U.S. and allied efforts to monitor a new North Korean missile threat,” Fisher said.

“Firing the KN-11 from a floating platform is still useful, as it would go far to help verify whether the missile’s guidance system is able to compensate very quickly for wave motion in order to achieve the desired trajectory for the greatest accuracy.”

As for why Pyongyang is building the underwater missile, Fisher said: “The advent of the KN-11 offers North Korea the means to launch missile strikes against U.S. forces in Japan or against South Korea and Japanese targets, from multiple directions, from land bases, and from the sea.”

Fisher said in response to the missile that the Pentagon should urgently build up additional missile defenses and revive U.S. sea-based tactical nuclear arms in the region to bolster deterrence.

The Pentagon’s retirement of submarine-launched Tomahawk missile in 2010 was a “major mistake,” he said.

Bruce E. Bechtol, a North Korea specialist, said the major threat from any North Korean ballistic missile is whether the weapon is mobile—thus more difficult to target—and whether it can hit U.S. cities and carry a nuclear warhead.

U.S. intelligence agencies suspect North Korea in 2013 had developed a small nuclear warhead for delivery on long-range missiles after its third nuclear test.

“The North Koreans appear to be moving toward at least two of the three key parts of the threat a missile could pose to the United States,” said Bechtol, a former Defense Intelligence Agency official currently at Angelo State University.

“If and when they are able to launch the SLBM from a submarine, it means a platform that is mobile enough that it would likely be difficult for U.S. missile defenses to track,” he said. “The fact that the submarine could move to within just a few miles of American coastlines such as Alaska, Hawaii, or the west coast of the United States, means they could meet the second part of the missile threat to the U.S.”

North Korea probably obtained small nuclear warhead know-how from the Pakistani nuclear supplier group headed by A.Q. Khan.

“The fact that the North Koreans have test-launched this missile—even though it was not from a submarine—means that the DPRK is advancing their SLBM program,” Bechtol said. “This is a threat—a direct threat—to the United States that should be taken seriously if it comes to fruition.”

A U.S. think tank, 38 North, last year revealed satellite photos of the Sinpo development site that included a land-based missile test stand and a Soviet-era submarine capable of launching missile from its conning tower.

On Jan. 8, 38 North revealed additional satellite photos showing what it calls the Sinpo-class missile submarine with one or two missile launch tubes.

“In addition, imagery over the past six months indicates that North Korea has been upgrading facilities at the Sinpo South Shipyard in preparation for a significant naval construction program, possibly related to submarine development,” 38 North stated in an article written by North Korea expert Joseph S. Bermudez Jr.

“The presence of vertical launch tubes, if confirmed by additional evidence, would signal a significant advance in North Korean naval construction capabilities and could represent an embryonic step towards expanding Pyongyang’s missile threat to South Korea, Japan and U.S. bases in East Asia,” Bermudez wrote.

“It would also complicate regional missile defense planning, deployment, and operations,” he added. “North Korean missile-carrying submarines could be challenging to locate and track, would be mobile assets with the capability to attack from any direction, and would be able to operate at significant distances from the Korean peninsula.”

North Korea obtained from Russia SS-N-6 submarine-launched ballistic missiles several years ago. The missile was adapted to North Korea’s Musudan intermediate-range ballistic missile.

North Korea also has six KN-08 road-mobile intercontinental ballistic missiles that were developed with launchers supplied by China.

The submarine North Korea plans to deploy the KN-11 on is not known.

North Korea obtained several decommissioned Soviet-era Golf II ballistic-missile submarines in the early 1990s.

Pyongyang may seek to copy or adapt the design of the Golf II for an indigenous missile submarine.

In another development, North Korea’s state-run news media reported Feb. 7 that the country’s military conducted a test firing of a precision-guided anti-ship cruise missile.

In addition, North Korean dictator Kim Jong-un recently toured several military units and urged troops to be fully prepared for combat.

“Since November when the North began to stage winter drills, Kim has visited military units 10 times. While leading some aggressive exercises, he has encouraged the military to complete their readiness this year to fight,” South Korean Defense Minister Han Min-koo told legislators in Seoul, according to the semi-official Yonhap news agency Feb. 7.

Earlier this month South Korea announced the creation of an upgraded submarine command structure for its fleet of submarines. The command will operate South Korea’s 13 submarines that previously were subordinated to a surface fleet.

Some 20 U.S. Marines and 200 South Korean Marines conducted joint maritime infiltration exercises near the South’s border islands with North Korea on Feb. 10.

http://freebeacon.com/national-security/no...listic-missile/


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Fulamak nowadays tank can submerged liao

The added armor is so thick making the leopard 2 looks like big box with cannon.

Can PT91 defeat this well protected boxy leo2? Leo2 has better engine, speed, mobility, visual, firepower, fire control system and armor. Pt91 would have to fire few rounds to destroy leo2.

You typed way too long. North korea would have been defeated and seized by south korea in 1953 if it wasn't china crying foul and threatened to use nuke.

Same thing today, if south korean attack north korean army without US involvement, china will still cry foul. Without north korea in between china has phobia of american troops able to land their massive forces in north korea and easily cross into china.

North korean forces only have lousy outdated 1950's weapons that can be easily destroyed by korean k2, f15k, ships, etc.

India clears $8 billion warships project to counter Chinese navy

The government has cleared a $8 billion plan to build India's most advanced warships, defence sources said, just months after ordering new submarines to close the gap with the Chinese navy in the Indian Ocean.

Since taking over last year, Prime Minister Narendra Modi has signalled his resolve to build a strong military after years of neglect that military planners say has left India unable to fight a two-front war against China and Pakistan.

India's navy has been rattled in recent months after Chinese submarines docked in Sri Lanka, just off its southern coast, underlining the growing reach of the Chinese navy after years of staying closer to its shores.

Modi summoned a meeting of the cabinet committee on security on Monday to approve construction of seven frigates equipped with stealth features to avoid easy detection, a defence ministry source said.

The Times of India said the government had also approved six nuclear-powered submarines for a further $8 billion. The defence source said he had no knowledge of the nuclear submarine programme, which traditionally has been kept under wraps.

The frigates in a programme called Project-17A will be built at government shipyards in Mumbai and Kolkata, in a boost for Modi's Make in India campaign to build a domestic defence industrial base and reduce dependence on expensive imports that have made India the world's biggest arms market.

"Project 17-A was awaiting cabinet clearance since 2012," the source said, adding the Modi government was moving quickly on a project seen as of critical national importance.

The source said the government expects to sign a contract with the shipyards within the month. Another source in the navy confirmed the cabinet clearance but said it would take a decade or even longer for all the ships to be built, even if the shipyards were to start construction immediately.

China's naval forays in the Indian Ocean have exposed the Indian navy's weak undersea defences, which are down to 13 ageing diesel-electric submarines after a string of accidents including one in 2013 in which 18 sailors were killed.

In October, Modi's administration approved fast-tracking the tender process to build six submarines in collaboration with a foreign builder.

"This government is showing signs of urgency, but there is a lot of ground to be covered," said former vice admiral Arun Kumar Singh. "All our programmes are running way behind schedule and with a huge amount of cost over-runs."

(Editing by Tom Heneghan)

http://in.reuters.com/article/2015/02/18/i...N0LM1A920150218




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snorkel...

but if the river too deep/wide, still use floating bridge

Russia, India Consider Joint Production of Ka-226T Helicopter


BENGALURU (Sputnik) — Moscow and New Delhi are currently discussing the possibility of creating a joint venture to manufacture the Ka-226T light multirole helicopter in India, Russian Helicopters CEO Alexander Mikheev told RIA Novosti.

"We hope that a joint Russian-Indian venture will be created," Mikheev said at the Aero India 2015 international air show.

The Russian helicopter exporter said it will focus on talks on the project during the four-day expo, which started Wednesday in southeastern India's Bengaluru.

"India's Ministry of Defense requested information regarding the offer… We have outlined a technical proposal on Ka-226T and modernized it," Mikheev said.

The head of Russian Helicopters added that the sides will incorporate the experience of producing Russian-designed Sukhoi Su-30 MKI fighter jets under license in India.

According to Russia's Federal Service for Military-Technical Cooperation, over 70 percent of all military equipment used by the Indian Armed Forces was produced in Russia or the Soviet Union. In 2013, Russia delivered weapons and military equipment worth almost $4.8 billion to India.



Read more: http://sputniknews.com/science/20150218/10...l#ixzz3SBIJijH9

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Iran reverse engineer those planes. Then attached their own armament

Who going to protests them doing that? US? They already sanction them iranians

Russia? So far russia have been keeping their promise not to supply them advance system. If u watch north korea documentary, u will know that is north korea selling it to them. North buy act as proxy for iran and export to them

We on other hand cant that..

Uhhh.. it not autoloader but rather the ejector that is risky. The autolaoder mechanism have been the same but now the ejector have been redesigned to be safer for the crew

T72 supplied to middle east are of inferior quality because of russian fear of it falling to murica hands. Reduce armor protection, inferior fire control system and some even without fire control system. Lack of era and some even have used gun barrels

But even with this there are some cases whre abrams fail to penetrate those tanks head on. Most of Iraq t72 are destroyed by missiles rather than tank on tank battle.


Semua mordern pun boleh
Just fast it reach operation readyness once surface from the water.. some take a few minutes until all the water exit the engine compartment or ect

Iraq's T-72 was good enough to counter Chieftain, AMX-30, Pattons and Centurions of the neighboring countries....They aren't supposed to encounter next generation MBTs like Abrams and Challenger.

T-72M series are export models.....the T-72B series much better protected

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