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madoka
post Jan 24 2015, 11:26 PM

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post Jan 26 2015, 12:17 PM

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QUOTE(thpace @ Jan 26 2015, 12:11 PM)
Tu memang indo political gimmick  for years

Want gain voters? Ganyang malaysia.. hidup indon.. burn malaysia flag.. throw shit to embassy.

But they know.. if they lay a hand on us, they will sure kena from others. We just a silent dog tak nak buat problem. Bising bising lah.. we just silently obliged asal tak gigit can ad. Bark all u want

Pinoy... is all bark but langsung no bite to back up 

Thailand? Tat one is lalang maximun.. not to my benefit.. no neeed support

Singapore. Can say it maybe our closest ally unlike wat others always describe. Want military hardware who to benchmark? Singapore la..
Korea benda mahal... bukan murah pun k2 black panther my favourite is one good example. Canggih but expensive like shit  satu biji plus still canot full production because mtu problem

If we buy taiwan.. i can see prc official.. one eyebrow naik already
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K2 is already in full production, the transmission problems already solved

KSAM is more like Vena missile system and they cost less because South Korean order them in large number already
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post Jan 26 2015, 02:18 PM

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there is pic of insurgents with their loots after battle with Ph. Special Police Forces, you can see the helmets and the body armor

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post Jan 26 2015, 04:46 PM

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QUOTE(thpace @ Jan 26 2015, 03:14 PM)
one fourmmer mentioned about our actual air defence plan before our financial crisis threw the plan away. According to him, this was what they (armed force) envisioned for our national air defence system

very short range- various manpad (actually already completed)
Short range - pantsir ( we are interested and wanted to join in the development. When we bought our MIGs, we were asked by russian if we are interested)
Medium range - buk system ( or medium range missile on s300)
long range - s300 system (could come later but idea was to equid it with medium range first and long range upgrade later on) rolleyes.gif

Iiinm vietnam also did theirs like tis.. lower initial purchase cost.. and when need to upgrade, just buy more launcher and long range missile. Actually no need launcher, just new long range missile canister sweat.gif 

why all russian? Well before 1997 financial, if we were to ask for patriot from US. They would definitely not sell to us partially because of Mahathir also  tongue.gif
European weapon industry have not matured
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other alternative if you not fond of about Chinese system

EuroSAMPT with Aster 30 or Chu SAM Type 03 with her AESA radar

or Akash Missile System of India
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post Jan 26 2015, 09:44 PM

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In short with current dollar US to Rupiah value, Indonesia government for the next five year will allocate around 37.6 Billion US dollar for procurement programme

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ANGGARAN PERTAHANAN: Menhan Ryamizard Ryacudu Usulkan Tambahan Dana Rp5,1 Triliun

Kementerian Pertahanan mengajukan tambahan Rp5,1 triliun dalam Rancangan Anggaran Pendapatan dan Belanja Negara Perubahan (RAPBN-P) 2015 dari anggaran sebelumnya Rp96,6 triliun.

Hal itu diungkap Menteri Pertahanan Ryamizard Ryacudu dalam agenda rapat dengar pendapat dengan Komisi I DPR.

"Itu penambahan anggaran untuk 2015 yang dipaparkan Pak Menteri. Adapun dalam rencana strategis , Kemhan menganggarkan Rp417 triliun dibagi dalam 5 tahun," ujar Tantowi Yahya, Wakil Ketua Komisi I DPR RI.[I]

Penambahan itu, jelas Tantowi, untuk menopang pencapaian alat utama sistem pertahanan (alutsista) sesuai dengan standar minimum essential force (MEF) atau standar minimum negara mampu melakukan tindakan pertahanan.

"Itu hanya untuk mencapai 60% minimum essential force," kata Tantowi, di Kompleks Gedung Parlemen, Senin (26/1/2015).

Sebelumnya, Letnan Jenderal TNI Ediwan Prabowo, Sekretaris Jenderal Kemhan pernah menjelaskan, dalam pemenuhan belanja alutsista itu mengacu pada MEF, alutsista Indonesia baru mencapai 38% dari yang ditargetkan MEF. Adapun MEF 40% dari ideal.

"Meski demikian, anggaran itu akan disesuaikan dengan program pemerintah dengan mengacu skala prioritas."

Untuk Alokasi belanja pegawai, tetap akan ada di TNI AD karena jumlah personel yang besar.

"Adapun untuk alat utama sistem pertahanan (alutsista), Kemhan akan mengintegrasikan mulai dari pengadaan alutsista TNI AD, TNI AL, dan TNI AU," katanya.

Dalam pengadaan alutsista itu, jelasnya, TNI AU dan TNI AL akan mendapatkan porsi anggaran yang lebih besar menyusul mahalnya peralatan yang ada dalam shopping list Kemhan.

Misalnya, TNI AL a.l. menganggarkan pembelian dua unit kapal selam dari Korea Selatan yang saat ini satu unit sudah mencapai 60%, satu lagi masih akan mulai dibangun.

"Selanjutnya, TNI AL akan difokuskan untuk pengembangan produk dalam negeri," ujarnya.

Adapun untuk TNI AU, a.l. masih akan dianggarkan peremajaan skuadron F-5 Tiger.

“Namun, belum diputuskan mau mengganti dengan pesawat jenis apa. Yang jelas, kemampuannya lebih bagus dari F-5 Tiger,” kata Ediwan.

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post Jan 26 2015, 10:24 PM

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QUOTE(thpace @ Jan 26 2015, 10:21 PM)
German one was not equip with paratrooping equipments because want to meet delivery date
Now, can only do cargo lifting

I not sure how ours going to be.. airbus notorious for having problem. I not sure why we are even buying more from them. Even our ec725 does not come problem free  shakehead.gif
If u want long range mobile missile defence.. only one name very synonymous in every arms market brows.gif  brows.gif 

The russian s-series missile defence system... s300 was so successful even russian didnt expect it. That why production just stop even though it a 80s design system. Murica still fear

what best, russian will sell it to anyone without restriction if you have the money laugh.gif
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I am agree with that, S-300 is AK-47 in Long Range SAM world, but the cost is expensive two brigade will costing about 1,1 billion US dollar right now drool.gif
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post Jan 27 2015, 12:42 AM

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QUOTE(ayanami_tard @ Jan 26 2015, 10:40 PM)
depends lar. thats purely for acquisition budget or include with overhead budget. right now i'd prefer if MAF try to close the obvious hole in our capability rather than trying to introduce new one. besides we shouldnt compare with indon anyway.
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It will be outside of Yearly budget in which almost all of them goes to salary, remuneration, acquisitions of expendable stuff like rifles and munitions, clothes, tactical and daily operational vehicles for officer and so on.....


Strategic budgets means that including maintenance, support logistics, building new base or store and training crew for the stuff itself. They cost a lot, more so than the toys itself. sad.gif

no worries, Navy just want to added 40 Patrol Craft 60 meter class to patrolling some water in Indonesia EEZ, maybe not much shiny stuff this period, only more patrol vessels/aircraft, radar and logistic ships/aircraft sad.gif

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post Jan 27 2015, 12:45 AM

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QUOTE(thpace @ Jan 27 2015, 12:33 AM)
depending on missile package i would say

Vietnam bought medium range missile canister first then only upgrade to long range cannister

the radar was bought upgraded from Ukraine stock

i dont think it tat expensive..Past Iran now cancelled deal for five S-300 missile batteries was only $800 million..
That was without missiles package yet i guess.. but again 1.1Billion for 2 batteries is far over estimate.
If that so expensive, vietnam would even be able to afford it biggrin.gif
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I am not talking for batteries but Brigade, one Brigade comprises of several batteries. 1,1 billion for two Brigade expensive lah blush.gif

Azriel, i am not an appropriate person to talking about Leopard2 procurement progress, my guess is maybe same with you. Everything based on news in media and some first hand person who know the deal blush.gif

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QUOTE(MrUbikeledek @ Jan 27 2015, 11:24 AM)
In order to be amphibious, vehicle weight must not exceed certain limit. This mean's limited armor and limited firepower. Lack of amphibious capability can easily be rectified with the use of mobile bridges and crossing barges. But there's no way to rectify the lack of protection. Most amphibious armored vehicle have a thin armor which can be easily pierce by a shell fragments and 50 cal bullets. They are also vulnerable to RPG.
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CMIIW, we had tested some of BMP-3F before we bought it and they can stand against 14,5 AP munitions at 100 to 200 meter range.



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post Jan 27 2015, 12:53 PM

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QUOTE(MrUbikeledek @ Jan 27 2015, 12:50 PM)
What about against RPG?
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doesn't know, they never share the whole result of the test to public, only partial information.
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post Jan 27 2015, 04:24 PM

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QUOTE(MilitaryMadness @ Jan 27 2015, 03:47 PM)
Doctrine also play a part in combat vehicle design. Russia anticipates a lot of river crossings in Eastern Europe, as the Red army did in WW2, so nearly all of their combat vehicles are amphibious.

From my observation, US military is still set up as a Desert Storm-like army to fight in wide open spaces, so they don't have a lot of need for amphibious vehicles, later wars in Iraq and Afghanistan also didn't involve river crossings or amphibious operations (its main amphibious vehicle,the AAV-7 is designed in the 1970s), so the concept of amphibious vehicle is more or less neglected in the US military (ironically even in the US Marines, the premier amphibious unit).

Israel also doesn't have the need to do any river crossings or amphibious operations, thus no amphibious vehicles. So there's that.  laugh.gif
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some countries just abandon the concept of amphibious vehicle like AAV or BMP series for amphibious assault operations and largely depend on bridge connector vehicle like LCAC and LCT to bring their weaponries ashore, some mix that concept and some simply because the lack of platform they still depend on amphibious vehicle like AAV or BMP to conduct amphibious assault operations.
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post Jan 27 2015, 04:27 PM

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QUOTE(thpace @ Jan 27 2015, 04:21 PM)
just can cross river.. that also calm river or lake laugh.gif
rough river sure sink like a lead ball laugh.gif

#truestory

only truly amphibious is avv, bmp3, k21 etc those designed to work from ground up to work on water
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BTR series like BTR-80/82A/BTR-3U is fully amphibious and can withstand rough seas at sea state 2 maximum. Although the lacking of ramp door at the back is bane for any armies who using them in large numbers.......
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post Jan 27 2015, 10:27 PM

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Chinese SAM for RMK-11 wishlist according to Marhalim, it was an interesting development
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post Jan 28 2015, 04:36 PM

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QUOTE(lulz @ Jan 28 2015, 04:21 PM)
North korea?  icon_idea.gif  I dont know if got other countries still using rpg-2.
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Cambodia and Vietnam still using RPG-2 in large number and Cambodia still produce them in large number, besides RPG-7 rclxms.gif
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post Jan 28 2015, 06:26 PM

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Yup, i think they came from Indochina countries

Syrian Arab army using infantry in cohort with their own Recoilles rifle team to eliminate enemies RPG/ATGM teams threats, and they have so many newly found methods in which they have learned during the conflicts. After the enemies threat has been eliminated, their own armored vehicle can march forward and swept aside against any opposition.
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post Jan 28 2015, 10:09 PM

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India je, jatuh terus, tak habis-habisnya dia punya pejuang itu
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post Jan 28 2015, 10:42 PM

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^^

BMPT or Terminator is much more feasible, you know having MBT hull as a basic platform giving more protection and less worries for the crew instead of something thin armored like M-113
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post Jan 31 2015, 01:48 PM

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I don't thing Marwan has been killed right now, it is Pinoy we are talking about, are you believe their claims? Last time our Police must kill Dul Matin and some of his colleague in West Java and Malang although Pinoy claimed has killed them in operation in Southern Mindanao
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post Jan 31 2015, 04:46 PM

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QUOTE(KYPMbangi @ Jan 31 2015, 04:40 PM)
Skyguard radar have search range of max 20km, with max track range of 10-15km, and by rule of thumb any ground-launched missile version can only go to 1/3 of the max range compared to it's air-launched counterpart

Perhaps you referring to Oerlikon X-TAR3D Search Radar? it has search range up to 55km
Though its for stationary installation, and not mobile
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Indonesia bought the Chinese version Type 90 AA gun, we combine them with QW-1 and QW-3 Manpads and they are compatible with Radar Search Hunter we had used before for the Modernized S-60 57 mm AA gun and TD-2000 system all system come from China


Oerlikon Skyshield will be combined with Chiron Manpads from LIG-1 South Korea
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post Feb 1 2015, 11:20 PM

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Hai Phong the third submarine of Vietnam People Navy has arrive in Cham Ranh Bay today, too lazy to post the picts sweat.gif






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