time to add tis into our arsenal

was told.. it like budget alternative to Hellfire on attack heli and come with ground variant also

those wheel spg are still very much manual labor

Tracked variant are almost automatic from entering rounds and placing propellants


I hope K9 could be selected for our SPG or at least take turkey T-155

It designed for long range recon photo.. meaning u see from far u see pixelated picture when you zoom in.

That what digital camo are for..

This is just basic.. normally under combat or training, the crew will put vegetation onboard for added camo haha

Advance air defence?

Maybe letak jernas and call it advance already...tat time memang ponyoh betul

This post has been edited by thpace: Jan 26 2015, 10:12 AM

china got new base very nearby... so go figures

i think essom is more like secondary obective.. the obvious china base is more pressing

s300 is old system.. s400 better
since s500 aleady in production

jet china

MEADS? Ada keh US nak bagi?

If s300 can cover brunei airspace... i think they would be more than happy..

It obvious they are relying on us for defence help also.

It been hinted also several time also
Lumut still far away.. i more concern on our air force base at kelantan. Anyway military operation obvious is to take our their air force base 1st.. no plane basically sky dominance for enemy.

Tat time even ship are sitting ducks

Manpad.... ni lagi ponyoh betul...

Pantsir is considered point defence... does not even come.close to.medium range.. max 20 to 25km

Then again.. we did show some interest it last time... for base defence.. good enough

This post has been edited by thpace: Jan 26 2015, 11:34 AM

Or other "kind" of visit... hehehe

Well.. i would say depends..

I managed to talk to some atm buddy.. they say they would like to avoid china stuff as much as possible.. any future confrontation sure would be china.. u nak pakai benda ya mereka buat?

Baik aku beli benda russia or murica biarpun mahal. Again that their view lah... the one tat make final decision is always our gomen.. tat why if china no tender, atm would be very happy because compared to other system china sure will offer the cheapest..

and tis alone will get the top political leader open eyes.. get cheapest can already.. good enough no need get expensive one

Indon dah considering nak beli.. if we buy they canot bising also

Pinoy... itu buat bising pandai.. benda tak ada

Plus, vietnam pun ada their new s300 pmu2 iinm.. tak nampak other asean bising pun

Again.. if any confrontation.. vietnam would be the 1st to kena

Tu memang indo political gimmick for years

Want gain voters? Ganyang malaysia.. hidup indon.. burn malaysia flag.. throw shit to embassy.

But they know.. if they lay a hand on us, they will sure kena from others. We just a silent dog tak nak buat problem. Bising bising lah.. we just silently obliged asal tak gigit can ad. Bark all u want

Pinoy... is all bark but langsung no bite to back up

Thailand? Tat one is lalang maximun.. not to my benefit.. no neeed support

Singapore. Can say it maybe our closest ally unlike wat others always describe. Want military hardware who to benchmark? Singapore la..


Korea benda mahal... bukan murah pun k2 black panther my favourite is one good example. Canggih but expensive like shit satu biji plus still canot full production because mtu problem

If we buy taiwan.. i can see prc official.. one eyebrow naik already

Small arm deal just to please china only

Our relationship with china is a complex one compared to others country..

Like singapore.. it purely economic relationship

Like vietnam and pinoy.. it purely confrontation

We pulak sit in between.. we need china economic might but we dont want china snooping around our waters

China also the same. They value our relationship but they also want expend their influence especially in sea. In vietnam and pinoy case.. it simple, just direct confrontation

In our case.. they have to account past relationship. That why both china n malaysia have not been vocal of each others but at each back side preparing a dagger to stab each others when either one made the wrong move.

The problem was their locally made transmission system. Gears fitting and break not working properly

For now.. they buy german mtu like the one used in our pt91m for initial production. Not fully solved but rather to please the public because of the balloning cost of the K2 program. One of the most expensive tanks

In back scene.. they still want to use their own local mtu and are stilling trying the solve the problem.

Turkey cleaver.. buy their design but put german mtu inside straight. No need headache, only later delevop their own mtu

free body armor n guns

siapa tak nak especially insurgents

Pinoy really fail or farked up big time.. 200 special force dead or injured or captured.. Siapa nak retrain

This post has been edited by thpace: Jan 26 2015, 02:21 PM

one fourmmer mentioned about our actual air defence plan before our financial crisis threw the plan away. According to him, this was what they (armed force) envisioned for our national air defence system

very short range- various manpad (actually already completed)
Short range - pantsir ( we are interested and wanted to join in the development. When we bought our MIGs, we were asked by russian if we are interested)
Medium range - buk system ( or medium range missile on s300)
long range - s300 system (could come later but idea was to equid it with medium range first and long range upgrade later on)

Iiinm vietnam also did theirs like tis.. lower initial purchase cost.. and when need to upgrade, just buy more launcher and long range missile. Actually no need launcher, just new long range missile canister

why all russian? Well before 1997 financial, if we were to ask for patriot from US. They would definitely not sell to us partially because of Mahathir also
European weapon industry have not matured

This post has been edited by thpace: Jan 26 2015, 03:26 PM

German one was not equip with paratrooping equipments because want to meet delivery date
Now, can only do cargo lifting

I not sure how ours going to be.. airbus notorious for having problem. I not sure why we are even buying more from them. Even our ec725 does not come problem free

If u want long range mobile missile defence.. only one name very synonymous in every arms market

The russian s-series missile defence system... s300 was so successful even russian didnt expect it. That why production just stop even though it a 80s design system. Murica still fear

what best, russian will sell it to anyone without restriction if you have the money

buk was already in short list for medium range air defence
when this happens

even if russian purchase were to made.. i am sure it will be discreet

dont have to be tat harsh.. even if we were to purchase russian sam, i am sure it will be discreet. SAM system is not something every nation like to show around

depending on missile package i would say

Vietnam bought medium range missile canister first then only upgrade to long range cannister

the radar was bought upgraded from Ukraine stock

i dont think it tat expensive..Past Iran now cancelled deal for five S-300 missile batteries was only $800 million..
That was without missiles package yet i guess.. but again 1.1Billion for 2 batteries is far over estimate.
If that so expensive, vietnam would even be able to afford it

This post has been edited by thpace: Jan 27 2015, 12:35 AM