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post Jan 26 2015, 10:16 AM

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QUOTE(thpace @ Jan 26 2015, 10:11 AM)
Advance air defence?

Maybe letak jernas and call it advance already...tat time memang ponyoh betul
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Enough to convince the ignorant masses.

So what do we get? S-300? Patriot? Aster 30?

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post Jan 26 2015, 10:35 AM

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QUOTE(hafizushi @ Jan 26 2015, 10:22 AM)
we should be looking for something like medium 60-80km range SAM, i dont know what the best maybe patriot or samp/it while S300 would be to much nanti neighbor bising  laugh.gif
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S-300 can launch both long range and medium range missile from a same complex.

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post Jan 26 2015, 10:54 AM

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QUOTE(KYPMbangi @ Jan 26 2015, 10:50 AM)
The problem is.. sepanggar aje ke? lumut di anak tirikan.. kesian..
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because Sepanggar have to face the might of China.
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post Jan 26 2015, 01:03 PM

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QUOTE(KYPMbangi @ Jan 26 2015, 11:44 AM)
Go for korean or taiwan missile, I dunno the price but they sure be happy to do business with us
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Taiwan also have a parallel claim to South China Sea. I think tacitly, in the matter of territorial dispute, Taiwan also support PRC since they both in theory is the same country.
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post Jan 26 2015, 02:56 PM

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Multi-layered Air Defence

Long/Medium Range - S-400/Patriot/BUK-M2/SAMP-T
Short Range - Jernas/ADATS/Pantsir(missile)
Very Short range - Stinger/Starstreak/Igla
Point defence - Skyshield/Pantsir (guns)
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post Jan 26 2015, 03:52 PM

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QUOTE(ayanami_tard @ Jan 26 2015, 03:10 PM)
Jernas is a shorads, so can considered as point defence ( alongside manpads/AAA). for long range we have Su-30MKM and whatever is going to replace the MiGs.

What we're looking for is Medium range SAM
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The problem with Fighter aircraft is that, they require runway which is a big and vulnerable target, and they required like 45 minutes on average after warning to finally take off. Even a fully armed and fueled QR still require 15 minutes. SAM only take at most 5 minutes to power up their targeting radar. Fighter is good against large group of attacking aircraft as their combine radar signature is large, and the coordination of a large group of aircraft require a lot of radio communication that we can easily intercept. So we have plenty of advance warning. But for lone low level infiltrator that may pop-up suddenly close to the target, Missile is still the best option.
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QUOTE(yinchet @ Jan 26 2015, 03:56 PM)
I dun where you get the time figure.
but it all wrong.
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Unless you have a plane fueled and armed at the end of the runway, then 45 minutes is the reasonable timeframe. If you have plane fueled and armed at the end of the runway, then they may be launch as early as 5 minutes. But 15 minutes is a more reasonable time. It may take several minutes to strapped a pilot into the seat, and Fighter start up procedure will take several minutes. Unless of course you have a pilot strapped in the cockpit 24 hours a day.
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QUOTE(Frozen_Sun @ Jan 27 2015, 07:52 AM)
If the primary aim is full integration between vehicles like installation of compatible BMS system on APC and IFV....then Tulpar is the most ideal aternative.

Other characteristics, like amphibious capability can be less prioritized. Can't get everything....need to sacrifice something
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I rather we do away with amphibious capability altogether in exchange for extra protection.
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post Jan 27 2015, 11:24 AM

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QUOTE(yinchet @ Jan 27 2015, 10:59 AM)
Your reasoning?
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In order to be amphibious, vehicle weight must not exceed certain limit. This mean's limited armor and limited firepower. Lack of amphibious capability can easily be rectified with the use of mobile bridges and crossing barges. But there's no way to rectify the lack of protection. Most amphibious armored vehicle have a thin armor which can be easily pierce by a shell fragments and 50 cal bullets. They are also vulnerable to RPG.
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QUOTE(madoka @ Jan 27 2015, 12:45 PM)
CMIIW, we had tested some of BMP-3F before we bought it and they can stand against 14,5 AP munitions at 100 to 200 meter range.
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What about against RPG?
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QUOTE(waja2000 @ Jan 27 2015, 01:02 PM)
let wait and see how Mica-vl, since gowind also possible using it.
got news update on mou LY-80?
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MICA-VL is not really medium range.
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QUOTE(Frozen_Sun @ Jan 27 2015, 02:13 PM)
BMP series isn't meant to withstand RPG fires....like most IFV, it should be able to resist autocannon fire on the frontal armor. BMP-3F is amphibious vehicle, so can't add thick armor on it. Slat armor will also compromise its amphibious performance.

Even M-60 tanks can be penetrated with RPG-7; we need level of protection provided by modern MBT to resist RPG fire.

Even so, modern RPG like RPG-29 can still shatter the armor of Abrams

www.liveleak.com/view?i=c1e_1263769845
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That's the point. If you look at recent conflict, a lot of modern armies such as US and Israel, sacrificed the amphibious capability of their amphibious armored vehicle in order to provide extra protection. And look at Bionix AFV developed by Singapore. It doesn't even have amphibious capability due to it's steel construction, which is stronger than aluminium.
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QUOTE(waja2000 @ Jan 28 2015, 12:08 PM)
yup, ideal for as C-295 AEW or SAAB 2000 AEW.  both is turboprop engine, low cost, long endurance, daily patrol use is good.
but due turboprop engine both fly speed around 4xxkm/h, is hard to assist/combine/follow with Jet fighter to do some tactical mission, Jet fighter usually patrol at 800km/h (jet engine).
still AEW plant more better on turbofans engine + long range.
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Why would AEW want to follow a fighter?
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QUOTE(bereev @ Jan 29 2015, 08:24 AM)
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Clam Lake ELF transmitter site.

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post Jan 30 2015, 09:32 PM

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QUOTE(MilitaryMadness @ Jan 30 2015, 09:27 PM)
I dun get it.
How does these contribute to Pinoy national security? biggrin.gif
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They are island nation, so landing craft like this is vital for them to move troops and equipment around. It also help them strengthened their position in Spratly. 2/3 of the war is about logistics. Only 1/3 is about tactics. There's no sense having the best guns, the best tanks and the best everything when you don't have enough productions and transports in place to supply them.

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QUOTE(KYPMbangi @ Jan 31 2015, 01:10 PM)
Put on top of av8, terus jadi spaag (self-propelled anti-aircraft gun)
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QUOTE(MilitaryMadness @ Jan 31 2015, 07:37 PM)
ITAR/TASS: Pro-Russian militias closes Debaltsevo salient, trapping Ukraine government troops and Paramilitaries

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Ukraine paramilitary troops conduct a patrol in the deep winter landscape
My goodness, only Russians are crazy enough to wage war in the middle of the Russian winter season!
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Winter is the best time for Donetsk militia to gain some ground. Most likely, the Ukrainian troops hunkered down in their winter defensive position.
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QUOTE(atreyuangel @ Feb 1 2015, 09:12 PM)
but I also remember his hardship of finding the parts for the vehicle.
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Can jerry rig or not? Maybe fit a part from other type of vehicle.
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QUOTE(madoka @ Feb 3 2015, 07:36 PM)
they equipment and weapon system is expensive as hell, to reduce the cost burden they now looking for export market for their weapon system

personally i am very much interested for their Soryu class submarine, Maneuver Ground Combat Vehicle and Akizuki class Escort Destroyer.
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Australia want to buy the Soryu. The Abe government seems to agree, but the Japanese Navy is reluctant to let the Australian to have the sub. Apparently, some of the technologies in the sub is decades ahead of anything that Australia can some up with, and the Japanese Military don't want to share the secret.

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