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post Dec 19 2006, 08:25 PM

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QUOTE(nwk @ Dec 19 2006, 05:28 PM)
don't be so happy. tmnut can and will throttle vpn connections if they want to. all it takes is for them to look at the data streams that are running at full speeds 24/7 and they will know some wise guy is using vpn to download torrents. they already throttled relakks and secureix. don't think they won't throttle openvpn connections because they can.
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Are you sure about the throttling of Relakks and Secureix? Secureix is free hence performance problems are expected from overuse & etc. Are you using Relakks and can confirm this Relakks throttling?

This post has been edited by TC_Boy: Dec 19 2006, 08:27 PM
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post Dec 19 2006, 08:39 PM

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so does this bitcomet 0.80 work ?? or has TmNut brough up another way to kill us all ...
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post Dec 19 2006, 09:13 PM

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I've got no choice, have to use eMule. At least that's still working, IF I can get past the queues.

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post Dec 19 2006, 11:26 PM

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QUOTE(evilguy @ Dec 19 2006, 07:50 PM)
mind your word a bit. dont flame people as you wish. if you really good, explain it in nice word.
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I agree, please word it nicely and properly. Not all of us are geniuses like you. Like what evilguy said, if you are so smart, then explain it in detail. I for one, still cannot understand what you said. I know why now, because I'm not smart.

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post Dec 20 2006, 12:22 AM

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what did I do wrong? Akapane mentioned the possibility that "he may be talking crap" and I confirmed for him that he is in fact talking crap. what exactly is wrong? I am merely using the same term Akapane used. and it doesn't take a genius to tell that TMnet is not blocking file with .torrent extension and it is silly for anyone to even listen to what that TMnet fark said.
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QUOTE(nwk @ Dec 19 2006, 05:28 PM)
don't be so happy. tmnut can and will throttle vpn connections if they want to. all it takes is for them to look at the data streams that are running at full speeds 24/7 and they will know some wise guy is using vpn to download torrents. they already throttled relakks and secureix. don't think they won't throttle openvpn connections because they can.
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yeah they can throttle anything if they want to. they can even throttle FTP and HTTP and block access to USENET and practically render their service totally useless to every farking subscribers, if they want to. how about that!! you are connected to the Internet but you can't do shit. you can';t surf, you can't browse newsgroup, you can't download, you can't check emails. all that TMnet subscribers can do from now on is to stare at the the StreamyX status screen and watch the SENT and RECEIVED bytes slowly increase 1bits by 1bits. How wonderful!

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post Dec 20 2006, 09:42 AM

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QUOTE(TC_Boy @ Dec 19 2006, 08:25 PM)
Are you sure about the throttling of Relakks and Secureix? Secureix is free hence performance problems are expected from overuse & etc. Are you using Relakks and can confirm this Relakks throttling?
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yeah, i was using relakks at one time and then when my speeds got throttled down to zero everytime i tried to download something, i quit the service and decided to use my own bypass method which costs me nothing!
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post Dec 20 2006, 09:49 AM

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agree with u
some how relakks service is drop

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Giving that dubious TM source the benefit of the doubt...

Wouldn't it be possible for TM Net to install a filter that detects if you download a file with a .torrent extension and then limits your international bandwidth accordingly? I am not talking about preventing .torrent file downloads(though some universities do practice this), I'm just saying that maybe downloading a .torrent file flags you in their database as a target for limiting. It's unlikely, I know, but it's the only way I can reconcile his statement with what we are actually experiencing. One way to test this, find a friend who has never torrented anything in his life and pass him a .torrent file via portable media such as a USB drive. Anyone want to try? smile.gif
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post Dec 20 2006, 11:36 AM

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lol...you're giving them ideas on how to throttle our bt more laugh.gif


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QUOTE(foogray @ Dec 20 2006, 11:23 AM)
Giving that dubious TM source the benefit of the doubt...

Wouldn't it be possible for TM Net to install a filter that detects if you download a file with a .torrent extension and then limits your international bandwidth accordingly? I am not talking about preventing .torrent file downloads(though some universities do practice this), I'm just saying that maybe downloading a .torrent file flags you in their database as a target for limiting. It's unlikely, I know, but it's the only way I can reconcile his statement with what we are actually experiencing. One way to test this, find a friend who has never torrented anything in his life and pass him a .torrent file via portable media such as a USB drive. Anyone want to try? smile.gif
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do u have fren who didnt do bt??
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post Dec 20 2006, 01:31 PM

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QUOTE(foogray @ Dec 20 2006, 11:23 AM)
Giving that dubious TM source the benefit of the doubt...

Wouldn't it be possible for TM Net to install a filter that detects if you download a file with a .torrent extension and then limits your international bandwidth accordingly? I am not talking about preventing .torrent file downloads(though some universities do practice this), I'm just saying that maybe downloading a .torrent file flags you in their database as a target for limiting. It's unlikely, I know, but it's the only way I can reconcile his statement with what we are actually experiencing. One way to test this, find a friend who has never torrented anything in his life and pass him a .torrent file via portable media such as a USB drive. Anyone want to try? smile.gif
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why would you want to reconcile his statement? this is not the first time we were told bullshit and crap by people who work with TMnet. what make you think we should be giving any credibility to this particular statement? your proposed test is flawed as there could be another reason that your so-called friend who has never downloaded any torrents before will enjoy good speed. since his account has been relatively low on usage due to lack of P2P activity, TMnet may not be throttling it anyway and therefore, he or she will enjoy good speed for several days. and to prove my point, I have went back to my hometown in Perak and uses two different StreamyX accounts belonging to my relatives who doesn't even know what is Bittorrent and P2P and only use the accounts for surfing and checking mails and I can't get speed above 10Kbps on any torrents as well. Ok? are we done? just accept the fact that TMNET IS FARKING THROTTLING USING EXPENSIVE EQUIPMENT. there, feel better now?




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I went to Secure Tunnel and look what I got...
I wonder who is culprit.

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QUOTE(sanook @ Dec 20 2006, 01:31 PM)
why would you want to reconcile his statement? this is not the first time we were told bullshit and crap by people who work with TMnet. what make you think we should be giving any credibility to this particular statement? your proposed test is flawed as there could be another reason that your so-called friend who has never downloaded any torrents before will enjoy good speed. since his account has been relatively low on usage due to lack of P2P activity, TMnet may not be throttling it anyway and therefore, he or she will enjoy good speed for several days. and to prove my point, I have went back to my hometown in Perak and uses two different StreamyX accounts belonging to my relatives who doesn't even know what is Bittorrent and P2P and only use the accounts for surfing and checking mails and I can't get speed above 10Kbps on any torrents as well. Ok? are we done? just accept the fact that TMNET IS FARKING THROTTLING USING EXPENSIVE EQUIPMENT. there, feel better now?
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Uh, no it feels like we're being screwed. The difference between you and I is that you saw the post, read that the information was purportedly supplied by a TM Net employee and immediately discredited it in your mind, whereas I read it and thought "Is that even possible...?". My post was pure conjecture. It was never my intention to justify or make apologies for anyone working for TM Net let alone some random guy on the internet. Don't think I haven't fantasized of driving down to the local TM point one night and chucking a brick through their window.

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post Dec 21 2006, 01:11 PM

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from what i've read, BT throttling is not really efficient. sometime it fail. i've noticed when i'm download using http, the BT speed is slightly better. maybe the throttling devices have a hard time distinguish http and BT packets. how about try to download http and BT simultaneously. of course we have to sacrifice a bit our bandwidth for http download.
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QUOTE(evilguy @ Dec 21 2006, 01:11 PM)
from what i've read, BT throttling is not really efficient. sometime it fail. i've noticed when i'm download using http, the BT speed is slightly better. maybe the throttling devices have a hard time distinguish http and BT packets. how about try to download http and BT simultaneously. of course we have to sacrifice a bit our bandwidth for http download.
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lol..maybe...since...

1 ISP, filtering thousands of BT user laugh.gif

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post Dec 21 2006, 02:40 PM

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QUOTE(GameSky @ Dec 21 2006, 01:40 PM)
lol..maybe...since...

1 ISP, filtering thousands of BT user laugh.gif

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try it. ii think it can speed up BT a bit. not really efficient way to bypass. but it better than dont do nothing. smile.gif
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i bet there will be some tmnut technicians or the tmnut staff that manages this throttling that gets instant cash from certain people (i.e. pirated cd producers) to give them unlimited/normal download speed so that they get the goods faster thus increasing their sales..im sure of this..to tmnut spies if u r reading this, please pm me to confirm..

btw, eventhough i use a leased line connection (in office) its affected to rite since the traffic will go thru the same network..only difference is u have a dedicated line with tmnut?
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Hehe.. why do you need TMspy to confirm. Rather than paying them, why don't you pay for us? Here has two VPN services already. tongue.gif

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