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 Car Care and Detailing [V4], Caring for your car apprearance

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post Sep 23 2014, 12:02 PM

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QUOTE(KrisMas @ Sep 23 2014, 11:46 AM)
That's a very subjective and difficult question to answer......... sweat.gif  sweat.gif

Just put it this way la...if properly maintained, all these coatings can easily go through the 1 year mark. I have the 22ple VX1 Pro on my current ride and it's still beading and sheeting cleanly after 2 1/2 years, but the horizontal panel barely scrape through the 2 yrs mark....though I blame that to the crazy haze and dry spell that we had early this year.

But these coatings aren't 'bullet proof' and they're also prone to water marks and wash marring. Although still beading and sheeting water very well, I can see swirls has developed on my car and soon, I'd need to remove the coating and re-apply. So, even if the coating do last very long, they aren't swirl/damage-proof. I'm of the opinion that people like us don't really need to spend money for something that can last 3 years, or 5 years or 'permanent' coatings. It's just an alternative to normal wax/sealant so as to provide a TEMPORARY protection for the paint. To me, the main advantage of these coatings is you don't need to re-apply them as often as normal wax/sealants. The thickness and hardness of the coatings also provide SOME advantage against normal wax/sealant but the main reason is what I've stated before.
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ya basically what you said; hence my decision to not venture in coatings since wax/sealants last more than 6 months easily as the new car is VERY pampered lol. in fact my wax was so "baked in/fused with sonax BSD" that i had some trouble removing it during my spot polishings sweat.gif
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QUOTE(thom_chai @ Sep 23 2014, 10:02 AM)
I see, I thought you were using the double sided red foam at first that's why I thought it's rotary. RM2.3K, I think I prefer it over Rupes which around the same range biggrin.gif
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Red foam does have single sided pad.
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post Sep 23 2014, 12:34 PM

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QUOTE(KrisMas @ Sep 23 2014, 11:46 AM)
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My friend who had his car done with opti-coat, the front hood beading gone after 1 year. The roof degrade after 1 year.

The rest of the vertical panel still ok.

The car is coming into 2 years now after application.

He doesn't detail his car like me, just washed with Meg's only on a weekly basis.

Recently just helped him to apply Iron Gloss from Dodo Juice on front hood, can see that he was kind of disappointed with the Opti-Coat on the front hood. Back then kena me brain washed so hard, but the result is not as what promised.

He in only driving a hybrid, wonder how other cars would experience...
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QUOTE(MyWifeCar @ Sep 23 2014, 12:34 PM)
My friend who had his car done with opti-coat, the front hood beading gone after 1 year. The roof degrade after 1 year.

The rest of the vertical panel still ok.

The car is coming into 2 years now after application.

He doesn't detail his car like me, just washed with Meg's only on a weekly basis.

Recently just helped him to apply Iron Gloss from Dodo Juice on front hood, can see that he was kind of disappointed with the Opti-Coat on the front hood. Back then kena me brain washed so hard, but the result is not as what promised.

He in only driving a hybrid, wonder how other cars would experience...
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Now that's weird... My car has been on Opti Coat 5 years, wanna see the beading?
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post Sep 23 2014, 02:01 PM

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QUOTE(MyWifeCar @ Sep 23 2014, 12:34 PM)
My friend who had his car done with opti-coat, the front hood beading gone after 1 year. The roof degrade after 1 year.

The rest of the vertical panel still ok.

The car is coming into 2 years now after application.

He doesn't detail his car like me, just washed with Meg's only on a weekly basis.

Recently just helped him to apply Iron Gloss from Dodo Juice on front hood, can see that he was kind of disappointed with the Opti-Coat on the front hood. Back then kena me brain washed so hard, but the result is not as what promised.

He in only driving a hybrid, wonder how other cars would experience...
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His car is wearing the consumer version opti-coat 2.0 or the optimum coating aka opti-guard aka opti-coat pro?
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post Sep 23 2014, 02:03 PM

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QUOTE(ZeroSP @ Sep 23 2014, 01:16 PM)
Now that's weird... My car has been on Opti Coat 5 years, wanna see the beading?
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Bro, if you wash your car with either ONR or OCWash then it won't be a fair comparison....those two stuffs are loaded with beading 'enhancing' polymer. Even bare panel would bead after using either of the products.

I would love to see the beading effect of OOC after multiple wipes with IPA or OPC....now that would be very convincing indeed.
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post Sep 23 2014, 02:09 PM

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QUOTE(KrisMas @ Sep 23 2014, 02:03 PM)
Bro, if you wash your car with either ONR or OCWash then it won't be a fair comparison....those two stuffs are loaded with beading 'enhancing' polymer. Even bare panel would bead after using either of the products.

I would love to see the beading effect of OOC after multiple wipes with IPA or OPC....now that would be very convincing indeed.
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Right well then, I rest my case since I used ONR and OCWash. But Opti Coat can withstand OPC and other APC no? Ok maybe the beading might affect, which I not sure. Since people usually re-wash the whole car.

This post has been edited by ZeroSP: Sep 23 2014, 02:11 PM
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post Sep 23 2014, 02:14 PM

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QUOTE(KrisMas @ Sep 23 2014, 02:03 PM)
Bro, if you wash your car with either ONR or OCWash then it won't be a fair comparison....those two stuffs are loaded with beading 'enhancing' polymer. Even bare panel would bead after using either of the products.

I would love to see the beading effect of OOC after multiple wipes with IPA or OPC....now that would be very convincing indeed.
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QUOTE(ZeroSP @ Sep 23 2014, 02:09 PM)
Right well then, I rest my case since I used ONR and OCWash. But Opti Coat can withstand OPC and other APC no? Ok maybe the beading might affect, which I not sure. Since people usually re-wash the whole car.
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CONFUSED!

WHats ONR/OOC/IPA/OPC and etc? rclxub.gif
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QUOTE(kalvinkhoo @ Sep 23 2014, 02:14 PM)
CONFUSED!

WHats ONR/OOC/IPA/OPC and etc?  rclxub.gif
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Paintwork washing liquid
ONR - http://www.optimumcarcare.com/onrwns.php?li=2 or http://www.optimumcarcare.com/onrwnw.php?li=2
OOC - http://www.optimumcarcare.com/oclean.php?li=2

Wax, Polish removal
IPA - http://www.detailingworld.co.uk/forum/show...ad.php?t=104498

Degreaser / All Purpose Cleaner
OPC - http://www.optimumcarcare.com/opclean.php?li=12
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QUOTE(g88 @ Sep 23 2014, 02:20 PM)
Thanks for the info... But IPA what kind of IPA we talking about? Is there any brand? hmm.gif

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QUOTE(kalvinkhoo @ Sep 23 2014, 03:11 PM)
Thanks for the info... But IPA what kind of IPA we talking about? Is there any brand?  :hmm:
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I dont think we have 'brand' for IPA.. Correct me if im wrong..

I bought IPA from forumer here..


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QUOTE(kalvinkhoo @ Sep 23 2014, 03:11 PM)
Thanks for the info... But IPA what kind of IPA we talking about? Is there any brand?  hmm.gif
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Its a general chemical which manufacture by alot of companies, you get it from some of the pharmacy else buy from LYN forum here.
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post Sep 23 2014, 03:38 PM

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QUOTE(ZeroSP @ Sep 23 2014, 02:09 PM)
Right well then, I rest my case since I used ONR and OCWash. But Opti Coat can withstand OPC and other APC no? Ok maybe the beading might affect, which I not sure. Since people usually re-wash the whole car.
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Yeah...I have no doubt OOC can withstand OPC or other APC, but so does many other good quality coatings. Maybe you should try it yourself...aren't you a bit curious? Cuz I definitely am. Diluted IPA is a very mild solvent and it should be able to remove the weaker type of polymer/wax/sealant without compromising the coating underneath. It also doesn't contain any surfactant that would be left on the surface and 'change' the behavior of the surface.

The other thing the I find is, the polymer in either ONR or OCWash are very 'attracted' to the other Optimum waxes or sealants, namely OCWax and Opti Seal...kinda complimentary to each other - boosting beading and durability. But using either ONR or OCWash on other waxes/sealants didn't have that much of an effect. That's why I like OCWash very much back then cuz when any wax/sealant is getting weak, OCWash would be able to give the durability a little boost when I don't have the time to top up.

Another thing, if I may suggest, to try. Try spreading a little bit of OCWash CONCENTRATED (not diluted with water) onto a small section of your test panel or any panel/section, then just let it dry under the sun or something for a few hours. Wash away leftovers afterwards and see the effect...just like you've just waxed the section. That's how much polymer in OCWash.
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QUOTE(KrisMas @ Sep 23 2014, 03:38 PM)
Yeah...I have no doubt OOC can withstand OPC or other APC, but so does many other good quality coatings. Maybe you should try it yourself...aren't you a bit curious? Cuz I definitely am. Diluted IPA is a very mild solvent and it should be able to remove the weaker type of polymer/wax/sealant without compromising the coating underneath. It also doesn't contain any surfactant that would be left on the surface and 'change' the behavior of the surface.

The other thing the I find is, the polymer in either ONR or OCWash are very 'attracted' to the other Optimum waxes or sealants, namely OCWax and Opti Seal...kinda complimentary to each other - boosting beading and durability. But using either ONR or OCWash on other waxes/sealants didn't have that much of an effect. That's why I like OCWash very much back then cuz when any wax/sealant is getting weak, OCWash would be able to give the durability a little boost when I don't have the time to top up.

Another thing, if I may suggest, to try. Try spreading a little bit of OCWash CONCENTRATED (not diluted with water) onto a small section of your test panel or any panel/section, then just let it dry under the sun or something for a few hours. Wash away leftovers afterwards and see the effect...just like you've just waxed the section. That's how much polymer in OCWash.
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Well I don't have any IPA with me now but just Carpro Eraser. But it pretty much works the same I think.

P/S: roxx ONR can act as water softener to certain degree.
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QUOTE(ZeroSP @ Sep 23 2014, 03:43 PM)
P/S: roxx ONR can act as water softener to certain degree.
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Ok. This stirred my curiosity again. Not directed to you in particular ya....How to know when the water has been 'softened'?
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QUOTE(roxx @ Sep 23 2014, 03:22 PM)
I dont think we have 'brand' for IPA.. Correct me if im wrong..

I bought IPA from forumer here..
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QUOTE(g88 @ Sep 23 2014, 03:25 PM)
Its a general chemical which manufacture by alot of companies, you get it from some of the pharmacy else buy from LYN forum here.
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Which thread u got from? Maybe a link i can have a look. biggrin.gif
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KrisMas Btw with regards to your earlier posting on wetsanding with ROB, may I know where you did get the trizact sanding discs from? They are reusable right?
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QUOTE(thom_chai @ Sep 23 2014, 04:23 PM)
KrisMas Btw with regards to your earlier posting on wetsanding with ROB, may I know where you did get the trizact sanding discs from? They are reusable right?
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Thats from 3M right? hmm.gif
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QUOTE(thom_chai @ Sep 23 2014, 04:23 PM)
KrisMas Btw with regards to your earlier posting on wetsanding with ROB, may I know where you did get the trizact sanding discs from? They are reusable right?
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QUOTE(kalvinkhoo @ Sep 23 2014, 04:27 PM)
Thats from 3M right?  hmm.gif
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Yup. 3M Trizact. Got them from Megs authorised dealer back at kampung in Kota Bharu. I don't recommend to re-use them. Much higher risk to get pigtails if re-use....

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QUOTE(thom_chai @ Sep 23 2014, 02:01 PM)
His car is wearing the consumer version opti-coat 2.0 or the optimum coating aka opti-guard aka opti-coat pro?
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Was told it was Opti-Coat before apply.
Well, it was done by the brand owner himself, guess it should not be the issue of application. The car was only 3 months old.

This is my own experience and also of my friend, who knows nothing about detailing. How others experienced it maybe different. Not sure if there is anyone else that can share...

Maybe what krismas said is correct, the Optimum shampoo helps in retaining or adding the durability of the coat. Should have told my friend this... He refused to use ONR simply because no bubbles sweat.gif

But I was thinking, why not the vertical panel while only horizontal panel that was affected only... Is it heat issue or what..?

Actually I was told of the warranty period, but since nothing in hand-writting, should I go back to the detailer?

What would shops/detailers do in issue like this? Re-apply the coat?

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