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 Car Care and Detailing [V4], Caring for your car apprearance

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thom_chai
post Aug 30 2014, 12:22 PM

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efaceninja Very nice haul there brows.gif Is that the chamois leather drying cloth? Also, how much is the foam applicator pad?

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post Sep 3 2014, 10:16 AM

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QUOTE(efaceninja @ Sep 2 2014, 07:29 PM)
biggrin.gif  cool2.gif  cool2.gif  i like the Meg's recyclable bag that they gave.  i believe those gallon & 4L products can last me a long long time and therefore its cheaper for me in the long run, especially the Osren's one.  just pop opened D155 yesterday, i can't say i appreciate the smell at all lols.

and look at my self-printed product label.. hehe..
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if it beads like that at 90km/h AFTER 2 yrs of application, i think it is pretty awesome man?  in between the 2 years, no reapply anything? how's the maintenance required??  i mean, i only have my experience on DuraZ.  first week apply, first rain, it start to beads at about 70 km/h like that. after a few wiper usage, a few weeks, a few more rains, it start to beads at 80, then 90, and slowly diminish after roughly about 2-3 weeks/rain lols.
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The DIY product label printing is a real nice touch rclxms.gif
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post Sep 3 2014, 10:23 AM

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QUOTE(KrisMas @ Sep 3 2014, 09:07 AM)
No abrasive in dishwashing detergent so you should be ok tongue.gif
hehehe....shouldn't cause any problem la. Used to use dishwashing detergent for quite some times and so far my polishing pads are still sound.

A little suggestion for cleaning those difficult-to-clean sealants/AIO/glaze from pads, etc. - Dawn Power Dissolver. You can use it straight but I've been using it at 1:1 dilution and it still work (especially in this case cuz DPD is a little on the expensive side). Spray liberally onto the face of pad, leave it for NO MORE than 1/2 hour to let it work and soak into the pad, squeeze and agitate with your finger. Blast the pad with a pressure washer, if you don't have one use your garden hose at fan setting or strong jet, or just squeeze and rinse under the kitchen tap. So far DPD had never failed me. Just take note NEVER leave it to soak overnight or for more than an hour cuz it would deteriorate the foam/sponge. Oh...another thing...DPD would require much more rinsing as compared to dish washing liquid so...well...just take note of it la.

This pad (Megs Finishing pad) was loaded with residue of Megs M21 (also some dirt) and M21 (a little purplish in colour) is notorious in staining pads and difficult to clean. I've already used the pad for some times before decided to 'experiment' with DPD. And believe me when I said it's even more difficult to clean M21 off the pads as compared to DG501.

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That is a huge difference right there. I normally use Lux soap bar to wash my pad ph34r.gif Not sure will damage it or not in the long run.

For tough stain, I use Meg's APC 10:1 or OPC 3:1, works most of the time. Just afraid those strong cleaner will deteriorate the velcro glue in the pad.

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post Sep 19 2014, 10:56 AM

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QUOTE(KrisMas @ Sep 18 2014, 10:52 AM)
Here we go:
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Wow, the giant MF, would it be a pain to wring out the excess water? And RM35 for it? Time to buy some to replace my bath towel. Wait.
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post Sep 23 2014, 09:39 AM

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QUOTE(ZeroSP @ Sep 23 2014, 12:15 AM)
roxx Just Opti Coated my friend's new City. One pass with Flex paired with Opt Red Foam + Opt Hyper Polish. Ok, Flex not mine... Borrowed from shop.

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Looking real good there. OEM orange peel actually still ok la, can still live with it haha. But I notice Proton Saga's orange peel is too heavy even for a new car.

You are using the Flex PE14? How much that baby cost?

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post Sep 23 2014, 10:02 AM

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QUOTE(ZeroSP @ Sep 23 2014, 09:55 AM)
Flex XC3401 bro... Here around RM2.3K last heard.
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I see, I thought you were using the double sided red foam at first that's why I thought it's rotary. RM2.3K, I think I prefer it over Rupes which around the same range biggrin.gif
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post Sep 23 2014, 10:10 AM

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Since everyone is into orange peel removal now, let me give a lil bit of minor push too biggrin.gif

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Using velvet pad with compound via Dewalt rotary.
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post Sep 23 2014, 10:15 AM

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1st attempt at OP removal on scrapped Civic hood. Sanded with hardware shop sandpaper 1500 > 2000. Compound with Osren compound to remove sanding marks and finally polished. I suspect i removed quite a bit of clear coat in the process but since it's scrapped panel biggrin.gif

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post Sep 23 2014, 10:20 AM

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QUOTE(KrisMas @ Sep 23 2014, 09:51 AM)
Moving forward a few months...got myself some sanding disc and this time using an ROB....
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Literally transformed your ride into a moving mirror now notworthy.gif Mad respect man.
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post Sep 23 2014, 11:00 AM

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QUOTE(roxx @ Sep 23 2014, 10:44 AM)
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Lol.. Pushing me to wetsand ya.. I rikeee.. How I wish I have the PTG so that I can monitor my CC condition.. (ayat mau pinjam PTG  sweat.gif  )
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I nubis also.. Just trying to use OPT product..

You stay around cheras IINM.. You can get Makita at roundabout taman muda.. Call Ms Yen from Soon Heng sdn bhd distributor for Makita - 03 4297 6898.. But the price as last time i checked RM890..

Where do you get 2000 sand paper?

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Fuuuu... Nice...  drool.gif

I have velvet pad.. Is it easy to use?

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Wahlao.. now everyone pushing for sanding process.. you all make my hand itchy wehh..
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Hmm how to describe. Not as smooth as polishing the paint that's for sure. The velvet pad won't exactly glide smooth on the paint and the fact you need a steady and constantly moving the buffer and also evenly cover the entire panel. Mind you, the panel gets real hot after that. I'm on 1400rpm. For edge and corner, I switch to small 3" velvet pad and with the small pad, much more easier to control.
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post Sep 23 2014, 02:01 PM

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QUOTE(MyWifeCar @ Sep 23 2014, 12:34 PM)
My friend who had his car done with opti-coat, the front hood beading gone after 1 year. The roof degrade after 1 year.

The rest of the vertical panel still ok.

The car is coming into 2 years now after application.

He doesn't detail his car like me, just washed with Meg's only on a weekly basis.

Recently just helped him to apply Iron Gloss from Dodo Juice on front hood, can see that he was kind of disappointed with the Opti-Coat on the front hood. Back then kena me brain washed so hard, but the result is not as what promised.

He in only driving a hybrid, wonder how other cars would experience...
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His car is wearing the consumer version opti-coat 2.0 or the optimum coating aka opti-guard aka opti-coat pro?
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post Sep 23 2014, 04:23 PM

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KrisMas Btw with regards to your earlier posting on wetsanding with ROB, may I know where you did get the trizact sanding discs from? They are reusable right?
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post Sep 24 2014, 08:52 AM

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OPT fans here wave.gif Well, I'm not selective or particular brand alone. Just find something useful and use it often. Anyway, finally got the opportunity to polish and opti-coat a truck last week...

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It has been one week since the application. Will give it a wash this weekend and looking forward to seeing the insane beading biggrin.gif
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post Sep 29 2014, 11:30 AM

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QUOTE(Eng_Tat @ Sep 29 2014, 09:32 AM)
Hi all. Requesting for advise on polisher machine. So far I m leaning to skil model 9080 rm230 or bosch gp012ce rm500. Is bosch worth the money or I shall just settle for cheaper skill polisher? Thanks.
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Consider the more powerful Dewalt DWP849X. A nice high quality buffer. Priced ard RM650-700. Another buffer to consider is the Makita 9227C, which is the industry standard. Pretty good and reliable too.

Btw guys, have you seen the new Makita 9237C? Mimics the enhancement from the 849X with rubber head, wire mesh intake cover, etc.. Some of the description below:


- Variable speed dial and trigger enables user to match the speed to the application
- Constant speed control maintains constant speed under load
- Soft start for smooth start-ups and less fling off of polish, wax or paste
- Rubberized loop handle and gear housing for operator comfort and to help protect delicate surfaces from damage
- Wire mesh intake covers to prevent wool fibers from entering the motor
- Improved cord guard for increased flexibility and longer life
- Externally accessible brushes for easy serviceability
- Rubber tool rest for upside down placement of tool when used with the side handle
- Lock-on button for continuous use operation
- 3-prong plug to prevent static electricity accumulation

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post Oct 7 2014, 10:22 AM

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QUOTE(shaniandras2787 @ Oct 7 2014, 09:02 AM)
haih.

so i've sent my car for a normal 2 layer polish and wax and the car came back with hazing (ie. holograms).

anyone know how to remove them? I've read from online that quick detailers could actually get rid of them but some say the paint needs another polish to remove them.

i think the rookies who worked on my car might have actually introduce multiple scratches to my paint job also.
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The shop thrashed your paint. No other ways except to re-polish the paint and please send to a more reputable detailer to get it done right. How bout share a picture or two?
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post Oct 7 2014, 03:48 PM

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QUOTE(shaniandras2787 @ Oct 7 2014, 02:18 PM)
Yeah, I contacted Kevin from Maximus who apparently has quite a good reputation amongst car detailers. He told me that a "compound polishing" is required because the "clear cost" is thrashed =(

I don't think this original retailers is going to give me a refund. I think I'm just going to go for Maximus and then lodge a complain against this original detailers at the consumer protection department to get my refund back =( and probably some compensation to ease the additional payment i have to make.
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If you have a specific budget in mind, don't be afraid to tell the professional detailer. I'm sure they have different packages to cater to your need and the the result will only be better, and not worsen like the one you unfortunately had recently.
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post Oct 8 2014, 04:11 PM

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QUOTE(shaniandras2787 @ Oct 7 2014, 09:11 PM)
Talking about pictures. These are the best i could get out of my camera.

Well, i haven't seen MORE than holograms so i guess that's a consolation.

Yeah, that Maximus guy suggested that compound polish is required (ie. 3 layer polish + 1 layer of wax). Ordinary 2 layers won't cut it anymore because the whole process has been ruined during the polishing procedure. The original detailer offered to fixed it for me but I am afraid of taking my car back to them again. Since they sucked the first time, they most probably sucked the second time and subject my car paint to another abuse by them, is just stupid.

Hmm, how do they measure? Maybe i should ask this Maximus guy to measure it. I know for once they say Honda paints are very soft.

Talking about orange peel. I have several stone chips on my front hood. Very very small. The black pain is already gone revealing a white base but after that disastrous polishing and waxing, one of the chips reveals orange base =(

Is that bad? Do i need to take care of it?
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Your paint can still be saved. And yeah, honda paint are generally soft and easily thrashed in the wrong hand.

They have a paint thickness gauge to measure the thickness of your clearcoat.

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post Oct 8 2014, 07:39 PM

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QUOTE(KrisMas @ Oct 8 2014, 07:33 PM)
Ouch....those readings are already on the low sides. Hopefully the damages aren't that severe and doens't need to take more of the paint off to correct. Polishing shouldn't take more than 0.5 micron off, but it all depends on how 'deep' those scratches are (yes, holograms are also a form of scratches). Looks like the previous 'detailer' took lots of the paint off. Was it that bad that your car previously required that much of compounding?
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I think it's more like the previous detailer hacker do not know what they are actually doing biggrin.gif
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post Oct 9 2014, 09:02 AM

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QUOTE(KrisMas @ Oct 9 2014, 08:58 AM)
Looking back at the pics, a 2-steps polishing sounds more likely as compared to 4-steps. And, judging from the way you described, the '3rd detailer' sounds like he means *serious* business, especially when you mentioned he did (and showed you) a test spots in front of you. Let me have a wild guess here, Maximus will charge you RM300 and deliver your car in 3 ~ 4hrs and this 3rd guy would take longer....maybe 6 ~ 8hrs...right? In my personal opinion and without knowing the details, the 3rd guy sounds like he's more passionate and concern about how your car would turn out. Anyway, you've met both and you should be better in judging their characters. Personally, RM600 sounds like the more reasonable price for a good quality details.

Good luck and hope you get everything sorted out.
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Agree wholeheartedly, RM600 for a full paint correction sounds like a good deal. Especially when you can judge his workmanship from the test spot demo he shown to you.
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To all Rupes Bigfoot owner here, what pads do you all use for polishing? Rupes one or Lake Country?

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