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post Sep 22 2014, 01:53 PM

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QUOTE(cawan @ Sep 22 2014, 12:22 PM)
hi guys,

just a noob here, and please share me some answer and facts. My 3 months Mazda3 soul red having bad watermark spot.. i mean very2 bad.

1) does that expensive car coating can protect from watermark?
2) how to avoid watermark, or preventive?
3) how to remove it now? i did try car wash 2-3 time, still there sad.gif
4) did try white vinegar as in google, but no luck
5) does waxing help? what diff with clay?
6) is it correct that car polish can damage ur factory paint?

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1. Nope
2. Frequent wash (e.g at least once a week) else every morning rinse the overnight moisture (if you part outdoor) before you start your journey (if have time, dry it)
3. Polish
4. Refer to point 3
5. Wax is for protection not for removal of contamination or paint correction. Yes you can use clay after wash and before polish.
6. Depend the person whose do the polish and product use..if us hand highly possible can damage the paintwork
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post Sep 22 2014, 02:17 PM

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QUOTE(cawan @ Sep 22 2014, 12:22 PM)
1) does that expensive car coating can protect from watermark?
- not really

2) how to avoid watermark, or preventive?
Main cause - dirty or contaminated rain/water (or dirty surface getting wet) left to bake dry (especially under the sun) on the surface.
Measures - wash frequently, try not to let your car to be baked under the sun for too long after rain, wash as soon as possible after rain, maintain a healthy layer of wax/sealant on the surface (act as a sacrificial layer).


3) how to remove it now? i did try car wash 2-3 time, still there sad.gif
From the pictures, looks like you'd need to clay and polish/compound them off....

4) did try white vinegar as in google, but no luck
Ref answer to no 3 above.

5) does waxing help? what diff with clay?
Waxing will help to minimise damages to the clear coat (as no 2). I don't think it can remove those watermarks shown in the pics. Claying is for removal of embedded contaminants. It might reduce the watermarks by removing much of the embedded deposits, but it can't remove damages to the clear coat.

6) is it correct that car polish can damage ur factory paint?
Only if you (or the person doing it) don't know how to use it properly. Hey...look at your car manual under paint care...there's normally a recommendation by the car manufacturer to polish your car annually.
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post Sep 22 2014, 03:28 PM

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QUOTE(ZeroSP @ Sep 21 2014, 08:23 PM)
Bro roxx, how is the newly acquired product so far?
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Master zerosp Optimum product that I bought from you really disappoint me. Can you imagine previously it took hours for me to wash my car but now since using ONR it took me minutes to complete whole car?

Waxing also same problem. Last time wax and buff took me almost 1 1/2 hour. Not considering residue left on the paint. But since using OCWax I used 15 minutes tops whole car.. No need to buff lagi.. Clean and protect

Optimum Instant detailer lagi worst.. I accidentally over diluted (1:31/2) instead of 1:3 but still produce glossy and can feel the slickness.. Summore I only use 100ml for whole car..

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Ok la joke aside ya.. Sorry.. I can say that ONR OCW and OID really made my day.. By far this is the best product I have used (unless anyone can give me free sample of other product for review ya sweat.gif )

Optimum No Rinse

ONR took me minutes to complete. I was so shocked when my first attempt ONR able to pick up grit and placed it under GG. Never had this before in my washing bucket. Not with my previous 3 other products.

Forgot to snap photo pulak doh.gif

note: I was wrong at first place where I rinse the car first before using ONR. But it still able to pick up grit very well and still complete within an hour. thumbup.gif

Instruction on the label - 1oz (30ml):2 gallon but I think next wash I'm gonna use 1/2oz : 1 gallon and see how it goes.

From my opinion-

Pros:

Easy to use and save time (Seriously it does)

Able to pick up grit better than others

Able to reduce water mark due to rinseless wash

Best use for claying (normally I use car shampoo but does not lubricate like ONR)

Cons:

Sometimes I missed a spot since ONR does not produce soapy foam..

Not sure if the car is in heavy soiled state, will the abrasive transfer in the same panel?


Optimum Car Wax

Pros:

Feels that OCW creates a thick protection on the surface.. I don't get the same feeling with megs UQW

Easy to use. No buffing required and no residue left in the gap

Cons:

None at the moment. Let see how long the durability can last nod.gif

Optimum Instant Detailer & Gloss Enhancer

Was planning to dilute in a spray bottle instead of in a gallon size bottle. Took out measurement cup and pour 200ml of OID and accidentally mix with 700ml of water (it should be 600ml - 1:3) so i get 900ml of OID. doh.gif

But when sprayed to paint I can see the glossiness appear during wiping. The best feeling I've ever had.

Pros:

Easy to apply

Buy concentrate can dilute = save monehhh rclxm9.gif

Can see the glossiness and feel the slickness on the paint

Cons:

Bubble gum smell. Attract flying bugs tongue.gif

That's all I can say about these 3 product. I haven't try OPP. But looking at these 3, I believe OPP also works charm. notworthy.gif

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post Sep 22 2014, 03:36 PM

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QUOTE(roxx @ Sep 22 2014, 03:28 PM)
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Master zerosp Optimum product that I bought from you really disappoint me. Can you imagine previously it took hours for me to wash my car but now since using ONR it took me minutes to complete whole car?

Waxing also same problem. Last time wax and buff took me almost 1 1/2 hour. Not considering residue left on the paint. But since using OCWax I used 15 minutes tops whole car.. No need to buff lagi.. Clean and protect

Optimum Instant detailer lagi worst.. I accidentally over diluted (1:31/2) instead of 1:3 but still produce glossy and can feel the slickness.. Summore I only use 100ml for whole car..

user posted image

Ok la joke aside ya.. Sorry.. I can say that ONR OCW and OID really made my day.. By far this is the best product I have used (unless anyone can give me free sample of other product for review ya  sweat.gif  )

Optimum No Rinse

ONR took me minutes to complete. I was so shocked when my first attempt ONR able to pick up grit and placed it under GG. Never had this before in my washing bucket. Not with my previous 3 other products.

Forgot to snap photo pulak  doh.gif

note: I was wrong at first place where I rinse the car first before using ONR. But it still able to pick up grit very well and still complete within an hour.  thumbup.gif

Instruction on the label - 1oz (30ml):2 gallon but I think next wash I'm gonna use 1/2oz : 1 gallon and see how it goes.

From my opinion-

Pros:

Easy to use and save time (Seriously it does)

Able to pick up grit better than others

Able to reduce water mark due to rinseless wash

Best use for claying (normally I use car shampoo but does not lubricate like ONR)

Cons:

Sometimes I missed a spot since ONR does not produce soapy foam..

Not sure if the car is in heavy soiled state, will the abrasive transfer in the same panel?
Optimum Car Wax

Pros:

Feels that OCW creates a thick protection on the surface.. I don't get the same feeling with megs UQW

Easy to use. No buffing required and no residue left in the gap

Cons:

None at the moment. Let see how long the durability can last  nod.gif

Optimum Instant Detailer & Gloss Enhancer

Was planning to dilute in a spray bottle instead of in a gallon size bottle. Took out measurement cup and pour 200ml of OID and accidentally mix with 700ml of water (it should be 600ml - 1:3) so i get 900ml of OID.  doh.gif

But when sprayed to paint I can see the glossiness appear during wiping. The best feeling I've ever had.

Pros:

Easy to apply

Buy concentrate can dilute = save monehhh  rclxm9.gif

Can see the glossiness and feel the slickness on the paint

Cons:

Bubble gum smell. Attract flying bugs  tongue.gif

That's all I can say about these 3 product. I haven't try OPP. But looking at these 3, I believe OPP also works charm.  notworthy.gif
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It is ok to over dilute OID a bit.

Car Wax wise, generally 3 months durability not a problem.

ONR wise, if heavily soiled, before pre-rinse I will spray entire car down with Opti Clean waterless wash.
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post Sep 22 2014, 04:36 PM

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QUOTE(acefreakz @ Sep 22 2014, 12:52 PM)
lolol sry bro, i haven have time to hamtam the sanding to my car yet xD hahaaha
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Lol.. Once hentam update ya.. Want to know also..
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post Sep 22 2014, 04:38 PM

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QUOTE(ZeroSP @ Sep 22 2014, 03:36 PM)
It is ok to over dilute OID a bit.

Car Wax wise, generally 3 months durability not a problem.

ONR wise, if heavily soiled, before pre-rinse I will spray entire car down with Opti Clean waterless wash.
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Thanks master..

Another thing.. Is it advisable to remove orange peel then apply OOC?
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post Sep 22 2014, 05:05 PM

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QUOTE(roxx @ Sep 22 2014, 03:28 PM)
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Master zerosp Optimum product that I bought from you really disappoint me. Can you imagine previously it took hours for me to wash my car but now since using ONR it took me minutes to complete whole car?

Waxing also same problem. Last time wax and buff took me almost 1 1/2 hour. Not considering residue left on the paint. But since using OCWax I used 15 minutes tops whole car.. No need to buff lagi.. Clean and protect

Optimum Instant detailer lagi worst.. I accidentally over diluted (1:31/2) instead of 1:3 but still produce glossy and can feel the slickness.. Summore I only use 100ml for whole car..

user posted image

Ok la joke aside ya.. Sorry.. I can say that ONR OCW and OID really made my day.. By far this is the best product I have used (unless anyone can give me free sample of other product for review ya  sweat.gif  )

Optimum No Rinse

ONR took me minutes to complete. I was so shocked when my first attempt ONR able to pick up grit and placed it under GG. Never had this before in my washing bucket. Not with my previous 3 other products.

Forgot to snap photo pulak  doh.gif

note: I was wrong at first place where I rinse the car first before using ONR. But it still able to pick up grit very well and still complete within an hour.  thumbup.gif

Instruction on the label - 1oz (30ml):2 gallon but I think next wash I'm gonna use 1/2oz : 1 gallon and see how it goes.

From my opinion-

Pros:

Easy to use and save time (Seriously it does)

Able to pick up grit better than others

Able to reduce water mark due to rinseless wash

Best use for claying (normally I use car shampoo but does not lubricate like ONR)

Cons:

Sometimes I missed a spot since ONR does not produce soapy foam..

Not sure if the car is in heavy soiled state, will the abrasive transfer in the same panel?
Optimum Car Wax

Pros:

Feels that OCW creates a thick protection on the surface.. I don't get the same feeling with megs UQW

Easy to use. No buffing required and no residue left in the gap

Cons:

None at the moment. Let see how long the durability can last  nod.gif

Optimum Instant Detailer & Gloss Enhancer

Was planning to dilute in a spray bottle instead of in a gallon size bottle. Took out measurement cup and pour 200ml of OID and accidentally mix with 700ml of water (it should be 600ml - 1:3) so i get 900ml of OID.  doh.gif

But when sprayed to paint I can see the glossiness appear during wiping. The best feeling I've ever had.

Pros:

Easy to apply

Buy concentrate can dilute = save monehhh  rclxm9.gif

Can see the glossiness and feel the slickness on the paint

Cons:

Bubble gum smell. Attract flying bugs  tongue.gif

That's all I can say about these 3 product. I haven't try OPP. But looking at these 3, I believe OPP also works charm.  notworthy.gif
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welcome to Optimum product range ...all i can say you are yet to maximise the capability of the product based on your review smile.gif

Play around with it more you will find it even more user friendly....well it does have weak point....for you to find out
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QUOTE(roxx @ Sep 22 2014, 03:28 PM)
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Sounds so tempting.... ph34r.gif ph34r.gif ph34r.gif

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post Sep 22 2014, 05:57 PM

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QUOTE(roxx @ Sep 22 2014, 04:38 PM)
Thanks master..

Another thing.. Is it advisable to remove orange peel then apply OOC?
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Like I mentioned that day when we met, it looks good but too much to sacrifice. I'd rather live with it lol.
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post Sep 22 2014, 08:18 PM

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QUOTE(g88 @ Sep 22 2014, 05:05 PM)
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welcome to Optimum product range ...all i can say you are yet to maximise the capability of the product based on your review smile.gif

Play around with it more you will find it even more user friendly....well it does have weak point....for you to find out
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Thanks master for your precaution. Will look into maximizing OPT products.. thumbup.gif

QUOTE(kalvinkhoo @ Sep 22 2014, 05:42 PM)
Sounds so tempting....  ph34r.gif  ph34r.gif  ph34r.gif
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Poison Poison ph34r.gif ph34r.gif ph34r.gif

QUOTE(ZeroSP @ Sep 22 2014, 05:57 PM)
Like I mentioned that day when we met, it looks good but too much to sacrifice. I'd rather live with it lol.
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Yeah I remember master. But.. But.. But... cry.gif cry.gif
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roxx Just Opti Coated my friend's new City. One pass with Flex paired with Opt Red Foam + Opt Hyper Polish. Ok, Flex not mine... Borrowed from shop.

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Hmmm, not the best... but one pass boleh tahan la.
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New city got so many curves and angles
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Nah roxx, Orange Peel zoomed for you lol
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Still ok la
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post Sep 23 2014, 01:25 AM

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cry.gif cry.gif poison summore..

Saw that orange peel on your friend's car.. Not sure I can live with that on mine.. thinking.. thinking.. thinking.. rclxub.gif

Anyway, nice work master zerosp .. How was it with flex?
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post Sep 23 2014, 02:33 AM

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QUOTE(roxx @ Sep 23 2014, 01:25 AM)
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cry.gif  cry.gif  poison summore..

Saw that orange peel on your friend's car.. Not sure I can live with that on mine.. thinking.. thinking.. thinking.. rclxub.gif

Anyway, nice work master zerosp .. How was it with flex?
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Flex oh well... I rike~~~

But I can't afford.
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post Sep 23 2014, 09:39 AM

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QUOTE(ZeroSP @ Sep 23 2014, 12:15 AM)
roxx Just Opti Coated my friend's new City. One pass with Flex paired with Opt Red Foam + Opt Hyper Polish. Ok, Flex not mine... Borrowed from shop.

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Looking real good there. OEM orange peel actually still ok la, can still live with it haha. But I notice Proton Saga's orange peel is too heavy even for a new car.

You are using the Flex PE14? How much that baby cost?

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post Sep 23 2014, 09:50 AM

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QUOTE(roxx @ Sep 22 2014, 04:36 PM)
Lol.. Once hentam update ya.. Want to know also..
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QUOTE(roxx @ Sep 22 2014, 04:38 PM)
Another thing.. Is it advisable to remove orange peel then apply OOC?
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QUOTE(ZeroSP @ Sep 22 2014, 05:57 PM)
Like I mentioned that day when we met, it looks good but too much to sacrifice. I'd rather live with it lol.
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QUOTE(roxx @ Sep 23 2014, 01:25 AM)
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Saw that orange peel on your friend's car.. Not sure I can live with that on mine.. thinking.. thinking.. thinking.. rclxub.gif
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Guys....let me give you a little push.... tongue.gif tongue.gif tongue.gif

Before....note the OP on the un-sanded portion
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Using these...
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On average, ONLY around 3~4 microns of clear coat removed by sanding...
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...and around another 1 micron of paint removed from compounding....
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Spot the difference? Not 100%...but far better than before...
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Moving forward a few months...got myself some sanding disc and this time using an ROB....
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After compounding....roxx, check out the 'finish' from Trizact p3000 sanding disc
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End result...
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This was a few years back. All in all I've already sanded my waja twice. So far haven't punch through the clear coat yet and the paint is still healthy. Even the front engine bonnet which had seen lots and lots of testing of compounds/polishes is still with its original paintwork. Paint thickness is still above 100 microns throughout the car.

Fast forward today, my waja has develops quite some swirls and marring since I haven't had the chance to give her another round of pampering. But, with the reduction of OP, standing at a distance, even with all the swirls and dirt on it, the paint still look *almost* like new....
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QUOTE(thom_chai @ Sep 23 2014, 09:39 AM)
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Looking real good there. OEM orange peel actually still ok la, can still live with it haha. But I notice Proton Saga's orange peel is too heavy even for a new car.

You are using the Flex PE14? How much that baby cost?
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Flex XC3401 bro... Here around RM2.3K last heard.
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QUOTE(KrisMas @ Sep 23 2014, 09:51 AM)
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The inspiration I got from looking at krismas handy work...

Your house is big bro. thumbup.gif
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QUOTE(ZeroSP @ Sep 23 2014, 09:55 AM)
Flex XC3401 bro... Here around RM2.3K last heard.
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I see, I thought you were using the double sided red foam at first that's why I thought it's rotary. RM2.3K, I think I prefer it over Rupes which around the same range biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(MyWifeCar @ Sep 23 2014, 09:57 AM)
Your house is big bro.  thumbup.gif
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Aiyo...cheap one in the outskirts only ma....
After which can only afford local and China made car.... cry.gif cry.gif

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