QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Jun 29 2015, 08:07 PM)
i sure hope no one buys modern cars now lol
heck, my year 2008+ 4B10 not-so-modern-engine recommends 0w20 so lol.
Grow up , and do NOT rant please.
Engine Oil Reviews/Technical talk v2, Everything Automotive lubricants/fluids
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QUOTE(zeng @ Jun 28 2015, 11:12 AM) xW20 plus track/harsh usage (whether at local ambient temperature or otherwise) = increased engine components wear. That's over simplified, minimum centistoke is a rule of thumb at best and doesn't take into context maximum centistroke due to tolerances in the engine, especially bearings and journals. It also doesn't take into context film strength and HTHS resistance, which is quite important depending on how well balanced the engine is against non-linear vibrations. Engine oil technology of today cannot help , as yet. I think an analyzed UOA is still the best, because it is an end result test. That's how we roll when it comes to the massive LNG and cryo compressors when it comes to motors I deal with. Fill, Flush, UOA, bump-test, UOA, final operation and continued UOA (with wobbulator calibrated Bentley Nevada VT probes on all axes) Best is always to UOA after using a certain oil for 2 OCIs, if a lower viscosity doesn't result in increased wear under the same circumstances, no issue, just stick with the lower one. QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Jun 29 2015, 06:52 PM) empire23 80ppm on a highly boosted engine with cast iron liners is no big deal, so it really depends on the engine. What you have to compare to is other engines of the same type under the same general circumstances. wei you want to deal with this or not? go entertain him la. on a serious note, how bad is 80ppm of iron? where is it coming from aside. In the case of a Mitsu engine, it's either coming from the crank, rod or caps, the only steel/iron parts in the engine aside from the valves. |
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Jun 30 2015, 04:53 AM
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QUOTE(empire23 @ Jun 30 2015, 04:22 AM) 80ppm on a highly boosted engine with cast iron liners is no big deal, so it really depends on the engine. What you have to compare to is other engines of the same type under the same general circumstances. you know it's going to a dead end when your own UOA result peaks up google search In the case of a Mitsu engine, it's either coming from the crank, rod or caps, the only steel/iron parts in the engine aside from the valves. i did find one evo x's 4B11T and they all had better wear than mine http://www.evolutionm.net/forums/evo-x-eng...ep-5w-30-a.html how's the bmw going btw? i actually had an interesting encounter with a m3 on sg.tua/ulu yam router towards gohtong, mostly my fault for not recognizing immediately that it's a m3 and i was wondering why it had so much fucking power lol (pelting huge amounts of debris/rocks on my car when it pulls |
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Jun 30 2015, 05:00 AM
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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Jun 30 2015, 04:53 AM) you know it's going to a dead end when your own UOA result peaks up google search Maybe organize a group bulk UOA during your track meets. That's what I would do. i did find one evo x's 4B11T and they all had better wear than mine http://www.evolutionm.net/forums/evo-x-eng...ep-5w-30-a.html how's the bmw going btw? i actually had an interesting encounter with a m3 on sg.tua/ulu yam router towards gohtong, mostly my fault for not recognizing immediately that it's a m3 and i was wondering why it had so much fucking power lol (pelting huge amounts of debris/rocks on my car when it pulls It is also worth noting the 4B11T has forged internals and Mahle components, not to mention a full deck up top and a more generous oiling system. The Bimmer is fine, but I put down money for an M4. But might change my mind and get something else depending on how things go. |
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Jun 30 2015, 08:36 AM
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Group UOA.. I want in
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QUOTE(empire23 @ Jun 30 2015, 05:00 AM) Maybe organize a group bulk UOA during your track meets. That's what I would do. great idea! if people are willing to fork out money here It is also worth noting the 4B11T has forged internals and Mahle components, not to mention a full deck up top and a more generous oiling system. The Bimmer is fine, but I put down money for an M4. But might change my mind and get something else depending on how things go. you have no idea how long have i preached/find folks to bulk ship. eventually i did manage to get a guy, and he is coincidentally driving an evo x so based on the way you mention, even if it is turbocharged/very high powered, a 4B11T having less wear than a conventional 4B10 is to be expected? i'm fairly surprised and lol you seem to be buying cars like buying grocery |
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QUOTE(izso @ Jun 30 2015, 08:36 AM) perfect! the typical fee of $25, and $10 more (total $35 usd) for added TBN analysis.i already collected a sample (of 300v 0w20) from my recent service at proton, and have also sent out messages to everyone who may be interested that i am doing bulk shipping (or at least try to) and i am willing to wait max up to 5-6 months. i can't remember what the lab guys mentioned about samples being kept too long before the analysis, however iinm it is fine if it is within 3 or 6 months period. my copy paste: QUOTE Btw who wants to share shipping for used oil analysis? Within 6 months max I can wait |
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Jun 30 2015, 10:09 AM
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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Jun 30 2015, 09:33 AM) great idea! if people are willing to fork out money here That's material science at work. I believe the 4B11T crank is forged and heat treated, all other 4B series engines use cast cranks with lower tolerances and less oiling. you have no idea how long have i preached/find folks to bulk ship. eventually i did manage to get a guy, and he is coincidentally driving an evo x so based on the way you mention, even if it is turbocharged/very high powered, a 4B11T having less wear than a conventional 4B10 is to be expected? i'm fairly surprised and lol you seem to be buying cars like buying grocery If you drive both the same way, I believe the Evo X would show less wear due to the tolerance of the parts and build of the engine. Might be wrong as I haven't looked into much of the difference in engine design between 4B engines. Well, I don't have a family to spend on and get paid decently, so might as well lol. |
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QUOTE(empire23 @ Jun 30 2015, 10:09 AM) That's material science at work. I believe the 4B11T crank is forged and heat treated, all other 4B series engines use cast cranks with lower tolerances and less oiling. well this is what makes an evo engine and evo engine, and not cincai BOT a 4B11 and call it a 4B11T like what most local people do aye? If you drive both the same way, I believe the Evo X would show less wear due to the tolerance of the parts and build of the engine. Might be wrong as I haven't looked into much of the difference in engine design between 4B engines. Well, I don't have a family to spend on and get paid decently, so might as well lol. and you just have to make me so jelly as usual |
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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Jun 29 2015, 08:07 PM) TkTunG, Assuming every other parameters of engine oil being equal , Scenario A : operating oil temperature of 9x Celsius (say, at engine rpm 2x00 after more than 30 minutes); Typical xW30 oil operating viscosity is about 11.x centistokes; Typical xW40 oil operating viscosity is about 15.0 cSt ; Scenario B : operating oil temperature of 11x Celsius (say, at engine rpm 4000-6500 on PLUS more than x hours of driving ); Typical xW30 oil operating viscosity is about 7.x cSt; Typical xW40 oil operating viscosity is about 9.x cSt; And tentatively referring to my incomplete research as below:- a) minimum operating viscosity of engine oil pump of about 10-13 cSt; b) minimum operating viscosity of plain bearings of about 7-10 cSt; c) ignoring for now, valve train and piston ring/liner etc minimum viscosity requirements ,if any; Under Scenario A at 9x Celsius operating , xW30 would be sufficient in terms of wear protection, and Under Scenario B at 11x celsius operating , xW40 would be strongly recommended over xW30 in terms of wear protection and fuel economy , if any, is ignored. Just my 2 sen. sweat.gif xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx i sure hope no one buys modern cars now lol heck, my year 2008+ 4B10 not-so-modern-engine recommends 0w20 so lol. xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx QUOTE(zeng @ Jun 29 2015, 09:18 PM) Provide engineering facts and figures please , for the sake of general readers in YOUR thread ! rclxub.gif Grow up , and do NOT rant please. notworthy.gif xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Page 1. Period . And please be more civil into this matter and not drag /involve the general readers. smile.gif a) Provide engineering facts and figures please; b) Page 1. Period . c) Be specific and factual and straight to the point in your reply , if any , my dear friend, Note: Stop creating distraction please !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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Walau, my oil still got like 10kkm to go. Gunning for that mythical 15kkm with m1ep.
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Walau, my oil still got like 10kkm to go. Gunning for that mythical 15kkm with m1ep.
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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Jul 3 2015, 08:49 PM) My SR-1r got flushed by miscommunication at its 5k age during maintenance at p2 sc. Then I gatal bought a dozen of m1ep so got stuck with it for another 3 servicesservices, probably for another 2 years. To my surprise, subaru wrx also force 5kkm oci with w30 oil. I thought that turbo boxer needs w40 oil the very least. If things go according to plan I might be lucky enough to be inside a two pedals cvt scooby. Giving it two years to assess Lineartronic's reliability. |
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QUOTE(PedangGila @ Jul 4 2015, 12:13 AM) My SR-1r got flushed by miscommunication at its 5k age during maintenance at p2 sc. Then I gatal bought a dozen of m1ep so got stuck with it for another 3 servicesservices, probably for another 2 years. oh my bad just remembered.To my surprise, subaru wrx also force 5kkm oci with w30 oil. I thought that turbo boxer needs w40 oil the very least. If things go according to plan I might be lucky enough to be inside a two pedals cvt scooby. Giving it two years to assess Lineartronic's reliability. i've test driven a scooby lineartronic (legacy 2.5 turbo) really really fun stuff, takes all the boring away from a D segment car. no surprise really, the WORLD is moving towards lower viscosity, by hook or by crook. read up the evo x manual, they recommend xw30 too while the non turbos are in the xw20 already. myvi owner manual recommends xw20 too btw, while proton campros on xw30. so ultimately, it is just people's mentality here imho. |
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Thats recent development I think for w20 recommendation since it helps in FC, smoother while still able to maintain integrity at higher temps. My manual says w30 the lowest for first batch myvi.
Ive tried altis 1.8 up to 180, had to release because of traffic. It could go 190 or myb 200 as i feel the hp is still there. 2.5l T lagi la power. I got smoked by loaded BAS PERSIARAN toyota hiace uphill only to realized after that it got 2.7 na or 2.5 T. Meh I couldnt even catch Livina 1.8 ST on straight. They're freaking annoying at corners though van/pickup/suv, a moving roadblock. This post has been edited by PedangGila: Jul 4 2015, 01:02 AM |
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